Elephant in the room

[troymania]

Being this tight against the cap and losing this much defense to FA, bringing Ben back looks like a huge mistake. It makes absolutely no sense to what comes next. You need to see what you have in Rudolph and Haskins as a potential starting QB. The OL is a mess, DL has a hole that has to be filled by Buggs or Davis or a draft pick. The secondary has to be further addressed by a draft pick and finding out if Layne can actually do the job. I guess you give Ben his swan song and hopefully Tomlin and Colbert as well. Tear it apart next year.

 

[topseed]

I think Haskins was the big QB move this offseason. If he wins the backup job, you can retain him for 2022 rather easily because he's a restricted free agent. I'm rooting for his professional and personal maturity to increase.

Good luck with that.

 

[TDX27]

Haskins is only a big move if he makes the team. That's all he was brought here to do was kick the tires and see if he can mature and make the team. Having him unseat Rudolph at this point probably ain't happening this year and having him mature enough to take make the team and take over for Ben in a year really is just a pipe dream. It's possible but the dude has given no indication in 2 years that it's probable by any stretch.

 

[Steeltime]

Tear it apart next year.

No, tear it apart this year since free agency is already tearing the team a new *******. Should have let Ben go, sorry. Love the guy but the team is not going to the playoffs this season.

Draft Trask at 24. He is going to be very good. Get a quality LT or RB at 55 and a C in the third. Draft rocks this year in offensive line talent. One of Mayfield, Eichenberg, Radunz or Cosmi will be available. Trask sits, Rudolph plays. Steelers go 5-11 instead of the 8-8 with Ben. Great draft spot.

Get a 3rd, 4th and 6th comp picks. Now you have a ****-ton of very solid draft picks and a ton of money for free agency. Trask starts 2022 with the refurbished offensive line, draft and spend to replace the defenders, spend to keep Fitz and Watt, surround those elite defenders with the high-end draft picks and FA signings.

Profit!!

 

[steelerscotty]

Here is the scenario where I could see us drafting a QB: Top 3 RB's and all the 1st round graded Olineman are gone. Options then would be to go BPA or maybe, if Mac Jones is available, I could see them wanting a 1st round starting talent QB with the 5 year option available.

 

[SteelerFan448]

If the Steelers believe Jones or Trask is a franchise QB and if either is there at 24, you take him. Never pass on a QB if you think they're gonna be a stud.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The Packers found the right guy at 24.

The only silver lining here is perhaps Tomlin will retire along with Ben. But if the Steelers end up handing Tomlin another long-term deal, I won't be able to keep the puke in my mouth; it'll be all over the floor.

Easily my favourite board arguement. The Packers found Aaron Rogers at 24. And I bet I could come up with at least twenty failed QB's taken in the 20-30 range. But hey R-O-G-E-R-S!!!!!!

 

[SteelerSask2]

If the Steelers believe Jones or Trask is a franchise QB and if either is there at 24, you take him. Never pass on a QB if you think they're gonna be a stud.

If Jones makes it past New England he isn't a first round guy. Saban is best buds with Belicheat. In fact they may be brothers from another mother. No way he makes it past them if Saban thinks he is an NFL star.

 

[madinsomniac]

I would NOT be targeting a QB during the draft. We need to draft players to fill our depth issues at other positions first. Our best option to replace Ben is via free agency next year and then you hit the draft for depth behind whoever that is.

LT, C, NT, ILB, DB, WR, TE, RB all have higher priorities for us. May even want to throw S in there if they aren't going to do a new contract with Edmunds,

The issue with franchise qb is they are so rare and valuable that when you think one is there you take him, all other positions be damned...

They aren’t in every draft and often aren’t the highest rated qbs in the draft... if your scouting department pegs a guy as a potential franchise guy, even if he is raw and you have a perfectly functional older guy like Brett farve or Peyton manning, you still pull the trigger...

Now most qbs, (even first round grade guys) don’t have that potential... if the guy isn’t special according to your scouting, then you don’t prioritize him... but if a guy like trask really is a raw franchise type that just needs seasoning, then sure... go for it...
otherwise go OT or any other PON or bpa... but never pass up on a potential FQB

 

[TDX27]

Trask is 50-50 at best. If he's there in round 2, maybe but we have too many other needs to draft a QB this year when Trask may not even beat out Rudolph.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I will be interested if they give Rudolph some kind of heavily insentive laden contract to stay beyond this year. Otherwise he could be just gone next year. And wouldn't that be a kick in the balls if he ended up as a successful starter somewhere else.

 

[johngaenzler]

Rudolph is one of those QBs that if given a year to start and make mistakes and get used to getting hit and the complexities of nfl Defenses, he could actually turn into a good QB. Best example would be Josh Allen. He wasn’t anything near great in his first year, but they knew he would improve. Same could probably be said about Haskins...

 

[Superman]

I cannot recall what Ben's cap hit was for this year PRIOR to his restructure/resigning. Though if you look at next season, he counts just $10 mil towards the cap.

and while we have a HUGE amount of cap space, we also have Minkah, Sutton and Devin Bush on the final years of their current contracts. I do believe that all the moves we are currently making are to free up room for TJ's massive ******* contract which should be coming soon.

 

[Litos]

Rudolph is one of those QBs that if given a year to start and make mistakes and get used to getting hit and the complexities of nfl Defenses, he could actually turn into a good QB. Best example would be Josh Allen. He wasn’t anything near great in his first year, but they knew he would improve. Same could probably be said about Haskins...

Agree except that allen has way more tools, he has elusiveness in the pocket and has a rocket arm. I'd compare rudolph ceiling to a nick foles maybe?

 

[Hines57]

The issue with franchise qb is they are so rare and valuable that when you think one is there you take him, all other positions be damned...

They aren’t in every draft and often aren’t the highest rated qbs in the draft... if your scouting department pegs a guy as a potential franchise guy, even if he is raw and you have a perfectly functional older guy like Brett farve or Peyton manning, you still pull the trigger...

Now most qbs, (even first round grade guys) don’t have that potential... if the guy isn’t special according to your scouting, then you don’t prioritize him... but if a guy like trask really is a raw franchise type that just needs seasoning, then sure... go for it...
otherwise go OT or any other PON or bpa... but never pass up on a potential FQB

I don't see there being a franchise QB where we are drafting. History has proven me wrong with many QBs drafted lower, but its the biggest dice roll of any. We can find a free agent QB next year off the scrap heap to come in and play and draft around our holes at other positions first.

 

[Steeltime]

I don't see there being a franchise QB where we are drafting. History has proven me wrong with many QBs drafted lower, but its the biggest dice roll of any. We can find a free agent QB next year off the scrap heap to come in and play and draft around our holes at other positions first.

No to a free agent QB for three reasons:

• First, the genuinely good QB's (Maholmes, Ben, Rodgers, Brady, etc.) are signed by the team that drafted them. Second-tier guys like Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, Jay Cutler, Nick Foles, etc. are the ones you get in free agency.
• Second, you will never get a better player at a lower price than via the draft. Even the mediocre free agent QB's like Cousins, Bradford, etc. cost much more than a draft pick.
• Third, who is somebody even worth looking at and a FA in 2022? Let me list the possibles here: Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Jacoby Brissett, Josh Rosen. Those guys are terrible. Mayfield and Allen will be FA quarterbacks in 2022 as well since their five-year contracts expire, but as I noted, teams re-sign good QB's they drafted.

In summary, no to a mediocre FA quarterbacks.

 

[black and gold apex]

Not sure where the Steelers brass stand, first they beat up Ben and then they sign him.. No one stood up for Ben as the media beat down a three time Super Bowl QB and the head coach brings in a trouble maker no give a crap cut QB. We cannot sign anyone why, who gets the blame here, Tomlin Rooney Colbert or we all going to use Ben for this as well. We have seen Ben brings us back more times than not and he still continues to be the whipping boy. This team is in trouble and this next year will show how bad. Will Rooney finally see Tomlin as either a good coach or one that has done nothing in the last ten years. Winning seasons mean little when you cannot get past the first round when you did make the playoffs. We all know Ben will be gone , what do we have left when the defense is lacking as well as the offensive line and running game. and again QB's no one is sure of.

 

[Hines57]

No to a free agent QB for three reasons:

• First, the genuinely good QB's (Maholmes, Ben, Rodgers, Brady, etc.) are signed by the team that drafted them. Second-tier guys like Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, Jay Cutler, Nick Foles, etc. are the ones you get in free agency.
• Second, you will never get a better player at a lower price than via the draft. Even the mediocre free agent QB's like Cousins, Bradford, etc. cost much more than a draft pick.
• Third, who is somebody even worth looking at and a FA in 2022? Let me list the possibles here: Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Jacoby Brissett, Josh Rosen. Those guys are terrible. Mayfield and Allen will be FA quarterbacks in 2022 as well since their five-year contracts expire, but as I noted, teams re-sign good QB's they drafted.

In summary, no to a mediocre FA quarterbacks.

The Cheats got Newton cheap last year. We can find a veteran QB and draft a rookie behind him. I think you do both.

 

[diver]

Not sure where the Steelers brass stand, first they beat up Ben and then they sign him.. No one stood up for Ben as the media beat down a three time Super Bowl QB and the head coach brings in a trouble maker no give a crap cut QB. We cannot sign anyone why, who gets the blame here, Tomlin Rooney Colbert or we all going to use Ben for this as well. We have seen Ben brings us back more times than not and he still continues to be the whipping boy. This team is in trouble and this next year will show how bad. Will Rooney finally see Tomlin as either a good coach or one that has done nothing in the last ten years. Winning seasons mean little when you cannot get past the first round when you did make the playoffs. We all know Ben will be gone , what do we have left when the defense is lacking as well as the offensive line and running game. and again QB's no one is sure of.

How the heck did they beat Ben up?

 

[TDX27]

The other elephant is why the **** are we still apparently looking to resign Big Al. Love the guy but he is done. He started declining 2 years ago and last year was a complete turnstile. He couldn't block anyone. No way do I bring him back unless it's for the vet minimum as a back up. He is looking to score a pretty good final contract with the pundits saying he is valued around $15 million. I wouldn't touch him for half that unless he somehow miraculously improves to what he was 2 years ago. Draft someone in round 1 or 2 and they will be instantly better. They let and are letting other players go for much less that could help us win. Big Al cannot based on his last 2 years of performance. Come on, man!

 

[topseed]

Easily my favourite board arguement. The Packers found Aaron Rogers at 24. And I bet I could come up with at least twenty failed QB's taken in the 20-30 range. But hey R-O-G-E-R-S!!!!!!

It's not an "arguement," it's a fact. And I bet I can come up with at least 20 failed quarterbacks picked in the 1-10 range, too.

Can you find me at least 20 drafts that are as quarterback-rich as this one is?

 

[TDX27]

I certainly wouldn't consider this a QB-rich draft - not at all. Lawrence is easily the best, then you have a couple more good ones and the rest are completely hit or miss.

 

[topseed]

I certainly wouldn't consider this a QB-rich draft - not at all. Lawrence is easily the best, then you have a couple more good ones and the rest are completely hit or miss.

Of course you wouldn't.

Because drafts with 4 probable quarterbacks out of the top 10 picks and 6 total potential first rounders happen all the time. Nah, no richness there.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The number 4 rated guy played at North Dakota. Or more accurately didn't play last year. I've seen many of these qb rich drafts pan out terrible. Not interested at 24. Pass.

 

[TDX27]

Of course you wouldn't.

Because drafts with 4 probable quarterbacks out of the top 10 picks and 6 total potential first rounders happen all the time. Nah, no richness there.

I haven't seen any mock with those numbers. ****, some had Fields, who had been the No. 2 QB taken in most mocks then sliding potentially out of the 1st round.