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Diontae Johnson’s Breakout is Upon Us

Atlsteelers said:
When Ben and DJ get on the same page I expect numbers similar to AB. Those things take time and with Ben gone and everything that has transpired with COVID I think it’s a comfortability level on both sides. It’s what it so great between Ben and AB is they had chemistry from practicing and playing so much together.
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This is a fantasy land. Johnson can be good if not very good, but AB could have been one of the best WRs ever if his head was straight. He had the stats, but he was also very clutch. Johnson has a long long long was to go to even be mentioned in the same breath as AB. If Johnson continues to develop and JuJu stays we could have one of the best 1-2 in the league.
 
Coach said:
What's eating you? You were a level headed poster before. Yeah, I liked Bryant, he was one heck of a 4th round pick. I don't do character reports unless I can read them. I gave you my track record on WR's on and off this team. Its very good if you are being honest. I break down flip too, see what I said about Claypool.

I agree Johnson runs nice routes and can gain separation but calling him the best you ever saw at doing it is crazy. CRAZY.

Johnson catch % on targets isn't great. He's small, injury prone, lacks deep speed AND fumbles way too often. Ride that bus, I'm going to be correct again. Johnson is no star receiver. That would be Metcalf.

Washington Boon or bust you say, I saw bust. What made you think Boom? Do tell.

Mentioning Johnson's with Brown is crazy. Brown has hall of fame numbers.

As for Ben, he's going to love Claypool more. He's a legit deep receiver with size, speed, better leaping ability, and can block a ton, which is something the lightweight Johnson sucks at, that if if you being honest in his assessment as a blocker. Claypool is a real factor in kick coverage. Johnson is not. And he lost his job as retain man. We'll see how Johnson does. When he's healthy which will be an excuse of yours...I predict.

Also do you think Johnson is going to be better than Brown, Ward, ju-ju, Claypool Od Byrant when he was focused? Humor me. Which Current of Former Steelers would you compare him to. I see a slower E. Sanders
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And it wasn't hidden. The reason why Bryant dropped to the 4th with his hieght/speed/production numbers is because he was a known pot head. Much like the undraftable Randy Gregory. I remember you hanging your hat on that pot addict, and I had him as undraftable. You know, the guy who is out of the league instead of taking Bud Dupree. How'd that one work out?

Once again you lack the ability to comprehend what you read. He was the best I've seen coming out of college at BEATING THE PRESS ON THE LOS. Go back and reread my posts so you can let it sink in, though this is not the first time I've had to remind you in multiple posts, that you are wrong about something and fail to learn from it...

You want to bang at a guy's catch percentage that led the team in receptions with Duck and Rudolf throwing to him? Go ahead. It's a limited stat in that respect.

I agree he needs to be better with his ball control. Though be honest in your assessments. He only lost 2 fumbles out of his 5 last year. This year he lost one on a PR.

And the term is Boom or Bust. You can read my article here. Written before he played a down for us: https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-of-a-wr-james-washington/

Once again you missed the message. You bashed DJ's ability since he didn't play in the SEC. AB played for a small school in Central Michigan. knocking a receivers ability for where they play shows a complete lack of film study on your part, on what can translate to the pros. You can read my breakdown on him, before he played a down for us: https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-of-a-wr-dionte-johnson/

Claypool is a Z, DJ is an X. Xs get more balls, Zs extend the field and get deeper balls. This is like saying Ward sucks because his YPR is lower than Burress. You're comparing Apples to tomatoes here. Not surprising since you seem to lack the understanding of WR positioning. DJ is a willing blocker and has done his fair share. Though JuJu/Claypool/Washington are some of the best WR blockers we have ever had. They are bigger bodied guys, and there is a reason why they are on the field in 1WR sets. Of course Claypool is better as a coverage guy on ST. He's bigger, faster, and stronger. Didn't do a full breakdown on Claypool but there's a blurb I wrote when assessing the WRs this year right after picking up Ray-Ray. https://www.steelernation.com/wr-depth-chart-entering-live-tackling-practice/ And I've stated DJ is still our most explosive PR, but serves the steelers better if he is able to field returnable balls. If the other team is kicking from inside their 20, DJ should be on the field. Otherwise, I'd like Ray-Ray on coffin punt returns.

DJ looks a lot like AB. He is comparable with is elusiveness (leading the league in forced missed tackles), route running to create space (leading the league in separation yardage on his breaks). He is more polished as a WR than AB was coming out of college. AB worked harder than any WR to become elite. I'm not sure of DJ ceiling, but his floor is already higher. I personally want to see both Claypool and DJ succeed. And both of their games compliment each other very well.

He'll be better than Bryant easily, who I also listed as a Boom or Bust receiver. https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-wr-martavis-bryant/
 
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Coach said:
In 2019 I loved DK Metcalf. I liked him in round f'n one! I felt he would be a star. He's amazing, one of the best WR's in the NFL this year. Score another one for coach.
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As I recall you & I were the only ones pushing for DK in the First Round...

You are wrong about DJ...
 
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jitter77 said:
This is a fantasy land. Johnson can be good if not very good, but AB could have been one of the best WRs ever if his head was straight. He had the stats, but he was also very clutch. Johnson has a long long long was to go to even be mentioned in the same breath as AB. If Johnson continues to develop and JuJu stays we could have one of the best 1-2 in the league.
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They haven’t even played in a total of 5 games yet. Not taking anything away from AB but he had Ben throwing him the ball. Look at those “clutch” numbers AB put up without a HOF QB. They were garbage. Look what DJ did with what he had last year. I just don’t think it’s fair to assume which you are doing that he can’t be just as great as AB because he’s not “clutch” enough. By the way I’m still trying to figure out how you measure that.
 
bermudasteel said:
Compare AB's first year stats to DJ's. I'm waiting...

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Why, Brown didn't start or play much his first two years. Go ahead and beat your chest.

if you want to compare them staring 15 - 16 games, let me know. I'll be waiting. Deal? :)


This Johnson hype is too much, He's fumbled 6 times in 19 fames and should not be compared to Brown as a player.

Johnson has 14 catches this year, this is tied for 67th in the NFL.

He's averaging 10.6 yard per catch this season, good for 93rd overall.

And he did it vs terrible competition, what's so special about this?

I really liked Justin Jefferson coming out...and look the rookie who's doing better than this star in the making.
 
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Cope said:
And it wasn't hidden. The reason why Bryant dropped to the 4th with his hieght/speed/production numbers is because he was a known pot head. Much like the undraftable Randy Gregory. I remember you hanging your hat on that pot addict, and I had him as undraftable. You know, the guy who is out of the league instead of taking Bud Dupree. How'd that one work out?

Once again you lack the ability to comprehend what you read. He was the best I've seen coming out of college at BEATING THE PRESS ON THE LOS. Go back and reread my posts so you can let it sink in, though this is not the first time I've had to remind you in multiple posts, that you are wrong about something and fail to learn from it...

You want to bang at a guy's catch percentage that led the team in receptions with Duck and Rudolf throwing to him? Go ahead. It's a limited stat in that respect.

I agree he needs to be better with his ball control. Though be honest in your assessments. He only lost 2 fumbles out of his 5 last year. This year he lost one on a PR.

And the term is Boom or Bust. You can read my article here. Written before he played a down for us: https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-of-a-wr-james-washington/

Once again you missed the message. You bashed DJ's ability since he didn't play in the SEC. AB played for a small school in Central Michigan. knocking a receivers ability for where they play shows a complete lack of film study on your part, on what can translate to the pros. You can read my breakdown on him, before he played a down for us: https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-of-a-wr-dionte-johnson/

Claypool is a Z, DJ is an X. Xs get more balls, Zs extend the field and get deeper balls. This is like saying Ward sucks because his YPR is lower than Burress. You're comparing Apples to tomatoes here. Not surprising since you seem to lack the understanding of WR positioning. DJ is a willing blocker and has done his fair share. Though JuJu/Claypool/Washington are some of the best WR blockers we have ever had. They are bigger bodied guys, and there is a reason why they are on the field in 1WR sets. Of course Claypool is better as a coverage guy on ST. He's bigger, faster, and stronger. Didn't do a full breakdown on Claypool but there's a blurb I wrote when assessing the WRs this year right after picking up Ray-Ray. https://www.steelernation.com/wr-depth-chart-entering-live-tackling-practice/ And I've stated DJ is still our most explosive PR, but serves the steelers better if he is able to field returnable balls. If the other team is kicking from inside their 20, DJ should be on the field. Otherwise, I'd like Ray-Ray on coffin punt returns.

DJ looks a lot like AB. He is comparable with is elusiveness (leading the league in forced missed tackles), route running to create space (leading the league in separation yardage on his breaks). He is more polished as a WR than AB was coming out of college. AB worked harder than any WR to become elite. I'm not sure of DJ ceiling, but his floor is already higher. I personally want to see both Claypool and DJ succeed. And both of their games compliment each other very well.

He'll be better than Bryant easily, who I also listed as a Boom or Bust receiver. https://www.steelernation.com/anatomy-wr-martavis-bryant/
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Gregory was a swing and a miss, like I said I don't have access to background NFL reports, however he has been re-instated so he's back in the NFL, not out like you said. Anyway let's talk receivers here, shall we?


Bryant was impactful. When Johnson entered the draft he was proven short, light, with short arms and small hands. He ran a 4.54 and was average at best at leaping with 33.5 vertical. Meh.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diontae_Johnson


How you can judge him as the quickest you ever saw is crazy. He was playing vs slower players and weak competition maybe that is why he had a good rating the press on your stat chart. I think so. Re-read that twice. ITs like saying an A at community college is better than a B at Harvard. The MAC is weak. He would not have a top beating the press rating in the SEC, or Big 10.


His ball control sucks. He's small and IMO will be injury prone.


Johnson has 14 catches this year, this is tied for 67th in the NFL.


He's averaging 10.6 yard per catch this season, good for 93rd overall.


And he did it vs terrible competition, what's so special about this?


Please stop comparing to AB on the field. He's not even close.


This year his catch percentage is 56% with Ben so far in 2020.. He was actually better last year with Duck and Rudy, though its early so far this year.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnDi01.htm


I see him as a good #2 Wr. You see him as star! Small, slow, and injury pone......Not only does the play so far side me me, so do the odds. Yes, do keeps tabs on this for me, just incase I forget to bring it up. I like you Cope, but on this topic, your nuts.


Did you rate Johnson as a Boom or Bust coming out too?
 
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DJ 7 catches for 121 yards this Sunday...
 
SteveA said:
As I recall you & I were the only ones pushing for DK in the First Round...

You are wrong about DJ...
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Yea, I talked about him being to muscle bound and his speed being affected due to that. He is definitely doing great inspite of his muscle bound speed.......................... (i missed on this assesment)




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Cope said:
AB's cluch never amounted to playoff wins. Probably his most memorable playoff play was getting decapitated by Burfict to move us into FG range.
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That right there is as clutch as he could get.......... in a playoff game that he played in





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Coach said:
Gregory was a swing and a miss, like I said I don't have access to background NFL reports, however he has been re-instated so he's back in the NFL, not out like you said. Anyway let's talk receivers here, shall we?


Bryant was impactful. When Johnson entered the draft he was proven short, light, with short arms and small hands. He ran a 4.54 and was average at best at leaping with 33.5 vertical. Meh.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diontae_Johnson


How you can judge him as the quickest you ever saw is crazy. He was playing vs slower players and weak competition maybe that is why he had a good rating the press on your stat chart. I think so. Re-read that twice. ITs like saying an A at community college is better than a B at Harvard. The MAC is weak. He would not have a top beating the press rating in the SEC, or Big 10.


His ball control sucks. He's small and IMO will be injury prone.


Johnson has 14 catches this year, this is tied for 67th in the NFL.


He's averaging 10.6 yard per catch this season, good for 93rd overall.


And he did it vs terrible competition, what's so special about this?


Please stop comparing to AB on the field. He's not even close.


This year his catch percentage is 56% with Ben so far in 2020.. He was actually better last year with Duck and Rudy, though its early so far this year.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnDi01.htm


I see him as a good #2 Wr. You see him as star! Small, slow, and injury pone......Not only does the play so far side me me, so do the odds. Yes, do keeps tabs on this for me, just incase I forget to bring it up. I like you Cope, but on this topic, your nuts.


Did you rate Johnson as a Boom or Bust coming out too?
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Looks like you didn't read any of my articles since you're posting the stats on DJ that I posted when I broke him down.

Again, never said he was the quickest I ever saw, I said he was the best WR I've ever seen at beating the press at the line of scrimmage. You are 0-3 on getting this into your skull.

Wow he must be a terrible receiver to be 67th and 93rd compared to the rest of the league. Oh wait. He's only played 10 quarters vs 16 with the rest of the league. Way to ride a misleading stat here.

I hear your negatives, but you have nothing to back them up. What banging on his 10.6 YPC? He's a possession receiver and that moves the chains. Plus he's ahead of AB's 10.4 rookie year and Ward's 10.5 his first season as a starter. Z receivers get the gaudy YPCs, and DJs will increase with his YAC potential he has already flashed (leading the league in forced missed tackles much?).

Johnson and JuJu were high floor receivers and 2 of the best I broke down entering the league. No bust in those breakdowns.

And you fail to remember Randy Gregory's pot addiction was common knowledge. I was banging on him being undraftable before that draft because of it, and I have zero access to inside info on this one. Just because you can't remember it, doesn't mean we all weren't talking about it pre draft... But you don't like to be wrong about a draft pick that you LOVE, so you have to make up that his pot addiction wasn't known by everyone to give yourself an out. You were wrong AF here buddy, and rewriting history won't help you out here. SI must have sat on this one. HA!
https://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/14/nfl-draft-randy-gregory-scouting-report
 
Atlsteelers said:
They haven’t even played in a total of 5 games yet. Not taking anything away from AB but he had Ben throwing him the ball. Look at those “clutch” numbers AB put up without a HOF QB. They were garbage. Look what DJ did with what he had last year. I just don’t think it’s fair to assume which you are doing that he can’t be just as great as AB because he’s not “clutch” enough. By the way I’m still trying to figure out how you measure that.
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Brown usually made a play when needed if he had a chance. JuJu has already had 2 crucial more than likely season ending fumbles. DJ seems to be very shaky at punt returner and has had some drops as WR to compare him to Brown at this point is wishful thinking at best. If JuJu leaves DJ will be the #1. Dont think he will sniff ABs numbers. You also cant compare AB once he got off the steelers he was far too unstable at that point. With the Raiders he had the foot issue and the helmet issue etc etc.... With the Pats he was gone in a blink
 
Omar10213245 said:
Helmet catch 2010 vs the ravens in the Steelers' big comeback win vs them in the playoffs
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If you watch that place close you'll see he had time to bring it in and cut slight for the TD. He got caught all enameled up in the helmet catch and wanted that fame.

NOT taking anything away from him as we needed that play and he was a hell of a great WR but he also had bits of selfishness that sparked through even before the great tumble into disparity .

EDIT: His head-shot contributed to a direct win as did the helmet catch. One showed a hint and the other was the pointed to start of the end.


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Coach said:
Why, Brown didn't start or play much his first two years. Go ahead and beat your chest.

if you want to compare them staring 15 - 16 games, let me know. I'll be waiting. Deal? :)


This Johnson hype is too much, He's fumbled 6 times in 19 fames and should not be compared to Brown as a player.

Johnson has 14 catches this year, this is tied for 67th in the NFL.

He's averaging 10.6 yard per catch this season, good for 93rd overall.

And he did it vs terrible competition, what's so special about this?

I really liked Justin Jefferson coming out...and look the rookie who's doing better than this star in the making.
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I want you to find the stats. Period the end.

AB played and when he played, as Cope has already told you, he was NOT AS POLISHED as DJ in his rookie year.

The ask was simple - find both players stats from their rookie seasons and let them speak for themselves. Oh, just in case you're having a brain cramp---Ben was the ONLY QB AB had during his rookie season...
 
Drink IRON City said:
If you watch that place close you'll see he had time to bring it in and cut slight for the TD. He got caught all enameled up in the helmet catch and wanted that fame.

NOT taking anything away from him as we needed that play and he was a hell of a great WR but he also had bits of selfishness that sparked through even before the great tumble into disparity .

EDIT: His head-shot contributed to a direct win as did the helmet catch. One showed a hint and the other was the pointed to start of the end.


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Ok? I just pointed that play out to show that he had a notably clutch playoff game play before taking a hit from burfict. Touchdown or not, it was a great, clutch play, and it absolutely led to a playoff win
 
Coach said:
Why, Brown didn't start or play much his first two years. Go ahead and beat your chest.

if you want to compare them staring 15 - 16 games, let me know. I'll be waiting. Deal? :)

This Johnson hype is too much, He's fumbled 6 times in 19 fames and should not be compared to Brown as a player.

Johnson has 14 catches this year, this is tied for 67th in the NFL.

He's averaging 10.6 yard per catch this season, good for 93rd overall.

And he did it vs terrible competition, what's so special about this?

I really liked Justin Jefferson coming out...and look the rookie who's doing better than this star in the making.
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Again you can’t compare stats at this point because DJ had Rudolph and Duck throwing to him his first 15-16 games in his career and not a HOF QB.
 
Omar10213245 said:
Ok? I just pointed that play out to show that he had a notably clutch playoff game play before taking a hit from burfict. Touchdown or not, it was a great, clutch play, and it absolutely led to a playoff win
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I'm sorry Omar, I didn't intend a dis towards you but was mearly pointing out my interpritation of that play and took it a little further. NO offense or insinuation of anykind intended.

Have a great day




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I remember when he was drafted and there were people trashing the pick. I think I posted something about not hating the pick and his upside would be an AB clone. I'm still on the hype train, plenty of seats available.
 
slashsteel said:
Hey in the game thread today try not to talk **** about the coaches or players. You know like you usually do,

Thanks in advance,

me.
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I was taking about Washington this year. Not in the game day thread.


He’s about 4th this year In Targets. That is accurate unless glass Johnson is hurting again.

If I need your help which will be never I can always text you.

Thanks


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