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Diontae Johnson’s Breakout is Upon Us

Hey Cope,


If you watched the game, as I'm sure you did, we did see the next Star Steeler WR. His name is Chase Claypoool. 100 + yards, and 4 TDs scored, which is better than any game the glassy Johnson ever had.


Johnson stats for the game? 1 catch -2 yards after a bad decision, which he makes too many of. And he's hurt again like I said he's not a durable player.


You can opt-out saying your right, or stick to your guns if you think Johnson will be the next great Steerler WR.


Some questions for you sir.


1 ) Do you think Johnson will make the hall of fame? My answer, heck no.


2 ) Do you think he will make any pro bowls? I'm going to say no, but with multiple subs, there is a small chance.


3 ) Do you think Johnson will have more than 1,000 in his career? I'm going to say no, and if he does, maybe he'll do it once on another team.


4 ) Do you think he'll have more yards or TDs than Mike Wallace in his Career? A big no for me.


5 ) Bonus question, who do you think is the better player right now, the Rookie Claypool who played 4 NFL games or Johnson? Its Claypool for me.


Thanks in advance for the replies.


-Coach
 
Hey Cope,


If you watched the game, as I'm sure you did, we did see the next Star Steeler WR. His name is Chase Claypoool. 100 + yards, and 4 TDs scored, which is better than any game the glassy Johnson ever had.


Johnson stats for the game? 1 catch -2 yards after a bad decision, which he makes too many of. And he's hurt again like I said he's not a durable player.


You can opt-out saying your right, or stick to your guns if you think Johnson will be the next great Steerler WR.


Some questions for you sir.


1 ) Do you think Johnson will make the hall of fame? My answer, heck no.


2 ) Do you think he will make any pro bowls? I'm going to say no, but with multiple subs, there is a small chance.


3 ) Do you think Johnson will have more than 1,000 in his career? I'm going to say no, and if he does, maybe he'll do it once on another team.


4 ) Do you think he'll have more yards or TDs than Mike Wallace in his Career? A big no for me.


5 ) Bonus question, who do you think is the better player right now, the Rookie Claypool who played 4 NFL games or Johnson? Its Claypool for me.


Thanks in advance for the replies.


-Coach

Serious question. Why do you think there has to be only ONE next great Steelers WR? In my honest opinion, it would be optimal if BOTH Johnson and Claypool develop into great receivers.
Seems to me, as a fan, it would be more enjoyable too.
But, maybe there's some kind of weird schadenfreude in rooting for a team, predicting that a player will flop/not develop and then hoping against hope that the player never reaches their potential. (shrug)
 
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Serious question. Why do you think there has to be only ONE next great Steelers WR? In my honest opinion, it would be optimal if BOTH Johnson and Claypool develop into great receivers.
Seems to me, as a fan, it would be more enjoyable too.
But, maybe theirs some kind of weird schadenfreude in rooting for a team, predicting that a player will flop/not develop and then hoping against hope that the player never reaches their potential. (shrug)

I don't think Johnson is going to be a star period. I said I see a slower version of E Sanders, and honestly I doubt his career will be as good.

Right now I like Johnson signed for dirt cheap are the #3 or #4 option. Yes it would be optimal if both Claypool and Johnson were star NFL receivers, but that's saying it would be optimal if we had two reliable corners. I hope they are, but the can see for ourselves.

I think my above questions for Cope were fair, and answered them before Cope did. Cope is a gentleman poster, and I hope he remains one. Others are welcome to answer the same questions. Besides what I think doesn't dictate reality, though hindsight tends to agree with me more often than not.
 
I don't think Johnson is going to be a star period. I said I see a slower version of E Sanders, and honestly I doubt his career will be as good.

Right now I like Johnson signed for dirt cheap are the #3 or #4 option. Yes it would be optimal if both Claypool and Johnson were star NFL receivers, but that's saying it would be optimal if we had two reliable corners. I hope they are, but the can see for ourselves.

I think my above questions for Cope were fair, and answered them before Cope did. Cope is a gentleman poster, and I hope he remains one. Others are welcome to answer the same questions. Besides what I think doesn't dictate reality, though hindsight tends to agree with me more often than not.

Time will tell. I personally think that everyone calling Johnson the next "He Who Shall Remain Nameless" is/was premature. Folks tend to forget it took "Him" a couple of years to develop also. That said, I think it's clear who is on the ascent as to becoming the #1 WR and Ben's favorite target. But, it's not like Ben can, or should, throw the ball to Claypool every play. Ju Ju is, in my eyes, the #2 WR and a nice complement to Claypool when Claypool takes the WR1 reins. But, JuJu is only here for this year.
So, with 3/4 of the season left, I'm hoping that Johnson ups his concentration and ability (availability) to match his skill set. He's going to be needed this year at some point.
 
Has anyone told Ebron he's supposed to catch and hold on ti the balls?

Nevermind. I'm sure couch did it before the season.
 
I was taking about Washington this year. Not in the game day thread.


He’s about 4th this year In Targets. That is accurate unless glass Johnson is hurting again.

If I need your help which will be never I can always text you.

Thanks


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You need plenty of help but still no need to text me. Way more issues than I can help you with.
 
You need plenty of help but still no need to text me. Way more issues than I can help you with.

The day I need to text a dumb as dog $h^t person like yourself, lord help me. You're the angry poor SOB. Good luck.
 
James Washington is playing just fine this year. No one is going to roll 1000 yards receiving, but there will be 5 guys with 600 plus. Tough to defend

FYI, Claypool is on pace for 1,000 yards. Yes-- Washington has been reliable this year. Johnson has been anything but .

5 guy over 600 receiving yards? I tend to doubt that.
 
Prior to this week Johnson was having a solid season:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest-graded 2nd year WRs through Wk4:<br><br>1. Terry McLaurin - 82.6<br>2. Diontae Johnson - 74.0<br>3. D.K. Metcalf - 73.9<br>4. Marquise Brown - 72.4<br>5. Hunter Renfrow - 71.1 <a href="https://t.co/4TqZiyKQt7">pic.twitter.com/4TqZiyKQt7</a></p>— PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1313849327224344576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Prior to this week Johnson was having a solid season:

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PFF love? Here. Let's see week 5.

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Hey Cope,


If you watched the game, as I'm sure you did, we did see the next Star Steeler WR. His name is Chase Claypoool. 100 + yards, and 4 TDs scored, which is better than any game the glassy Johnson ever had.


Johnson stats for the game? 1 catch -2 yards after a bad decision, which he makes too many of. And he's hurt again like I said he's not a durable player.


You can opt-out saying your right, or stick to your guns if you think Johnson will be the next great Steerler WR.


Some questions for you sir.


1 ) Do you think Johnson will make the hall of fame? My answer, heck no.


2 ) Do you think he will make any pro bowls? I'm going to say no, but with multiple subs, there is a small chance.


3 ) Do you think Johnson will have more than 1,000 in his career? I'm going to say no, and if he does, maybe he'll do it once on another team.


4 ) Do you think he'll have more yards or TDs than Mike Wallace in his Career? A big no for me.


5 ) Bonus question, who do you think is the better player right now, the Rookie Claypool who played 4 NFL games or Johnson? Its Claypool for me.


Thanks in advance for the replies.


-Coach

Hey Coach, Super happy for Claypool's production today. And DJ getting hurt was a big reason why Claypool had more targets. Like I said earlier, they compliment each other very well. Much like Ward/Burress. Also you can't poop on DJ's stats for getting hurt in a game. I agree now, it's time to take him off of PRs. Keep in mind though, he's still bigger than Hollywood Brown.

1) No Idea on HOF. I'd never call HOF in year 2. The only player I would say is tracking for the HOF right now is TJ and Ben. Pouncey & Heyward have a shot as well. I don't crown 2nd year players the same way Chad Johnson crowned himself a little too early.

2) Yes, I believe he and Claypool have Pro Bowl talent.

3) Yes, High target players get production, and DJ is a high target player.

4) Wallace was a TD machine. Few receivers for the Steelers had more than his 32 as a Steeler and 57 career. Wallace also played the Z. One of the best deep ball receivers we ever had, and did it on a small frame. Right now the only Steelers with more career TDs than Wallace are Stallworth, Ward, and AB. Not really a fair comparison at this time.

5) It depends on what you are looking for in a WR. DJ has better hands, runs better routes and is elite at making people miss. Claypool has more height, weight, speed, is a better combat catcher due to his size, and an excellent ST tackler. Better is a matter of perspective on what you like more in a receiver. Claypool is flash, DJ is steady. Excellent game by Claypool, but I want to see him string together more consistency. He's trending the right way though!

I'm going to rewatch the coaches film when it releases to see where Claypool lined up. They used him in the slot a lot for some mismatches on LBs. I did see him on the X edge as well.
 
Hey Coach, Super happy for Claypool's production today. And DJ getting hurt was a big reason why Claypool had more targets. Like I said earlier, they compliment each other very well. Much like Ward/Burress. Also you can't poop on DJ's stats for getting hurt in a game. I agree now, it's time to take him off of PRs. Keep in mind though, he's still bigger than Hollywood Brown.

1) No Idea on HOF. I'd never call HOF in year 2. The only player I would say is tracking for the HOF right now is TJ and Ben. Pouncey & Heyward have a shot as well. I don't crown 2nd year players the same way Chad Johnson crowned himself a little too early.

2) Yes, I believe he and Claypool have Pro Bowl talent.

3) Yes, High target players get production, and DJ is a high target player.

4) Wallace was a TD machine. Few receivers for the Steelers had more than his 32 as a Steeler and 57 career. Wallace also played the Z. One of the best deep ball receivers we ever had, and did it on a small frame. Right now the only Steelers with more career TDs than Wallace are Stallworth, Ward, and AB. Not really a fair comparison at this time.

5) It depends on what you are looking for in a WR. DJ has better hands, runs better routes and is elite at making people miss. Claypool has more height, weight, speed, is a better combat catcher due to his size, and an excellent ST tackler. Better is a matter of perspective on what you like more in a receiver. Claypool is flash, DJ is steady. Excellent game by Claypool, but I want to see him string together more consistency. He's trending the right way though!

I'm going to rewatch the coaches film when it releases to see where Claypool lined up. They used him in the slot a lot for some mismatches on LBs. I did see him on the X edge as well.




Excellent answers to a challenged set of questions. Like you said, there is NO WAY IN HELL you can predict a 2 year player HOF Candace (same for pro-bowl)s but I think both make it at some point).

Personally I'm glad BOTH DJ and Claypool are on our team and doing really well. How could anyone ever root for an individual STEELERS player to NOT succeed is beyond me. I've seen guys come in here and argue to the point of wanting someone to fail just to prove themselves right. NOT COOL. I think TMC was so disgusted he left due to similar things.

I'm not saying coach is rooting against any individual player, just for the record.

I see oppurtunity and feel you can't have to many players that are great at what they do.





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PFF love? Here. Let's see week 5.

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I thought PFF was your football bible, especially because of their thoughts on Pouncey?
 
I thought PFF was your football bible, especially because of their thoughts on Pouncey?

Pouncey snaps too many balls high and isn’t the same player he used to be. His push in the running game is average.

I have changed my opinion on Pouncey the teammate and Pouncey the man. He has grown and matured some.

Most of PFF’s ratings match where players should be ranked. Ballpark. I sometimes used them here for a 3rd party opinion.

How ironic your embracing them now, albeit with a reason.

I’ll tell you what, let’s revisit where Johnson is at week ten. I highly doubt he be close to the top ten. Deal?


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So he had to be top ten to be a quality WR? Ridiculous. LOL at you labeling him injury prone already. Your brain is injury prone.

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I think Johnson is just trying too hard to make a big play every time he touches the ball. He’s probably frustrated which only makes it worse. The ability is obviously there, he just needs to be more patient... and stay healthy.
 
Some catches but nothing big. I think he’s hurt again this year. I think that’s the main problem, yea he plays but he always plays hurt. He needs to get tougher IMO
 
Some catches but nothing big. I think he’s hurt again this year. I think that’s the main problem, yea he plays but he always plays hurt. He needs to get tougher IMO

He has turf toe. He's had the last 3 game weeks off for the first practice with his 'toe'. For him to perform on that is pretty unreal, but then again he played the entire season last year with a bad groin. He might be injured, but he is also tough. He plays hurt, and still plays at a high level.
 
Hey Coach, Super happy for Claypool's production today. And DJ getting hurt was a big reason why Claypool had more targets. Like I said earlier, they compliment each other very well. Much like Ward/Burress. Also you can't poop on DJ's stats for getting hurt in a game. I agree now, it's time to take him off of PRs. Keep in mind though, he's still bigger than Hollywood Brown.

1) No Idea on HOF. I'd never call HOF in year 2. The only player I would say is tracking for the HOF right now is TJ and Ben. Pouncey & Heyward have a shot as well. I don't crown 2nd year players the same way Chad Johnson crowned himself a little too early.

2) Yes, I believe he and Claypool have Pro Bowl talent.

3) Yes, High target players get production, and DJ is a high target player.

4) Wallace was a TD machine. Few receivers for the Steelers had more than his 32 as a Steeler and 57 career. Wallace also played the Z. One of the best deep ball receivers we ever had, and did it on a small frame. Right now the only Steelers with more career TDs than Wallace are Stallworth, Ward, and AB. Not really a fair comparison at this time.

5) It depends on what you are looking for in a WR. DJ has better hands, runs better routes and is elite at making people miss. Claypool has more height, weight, speed, is a better combat catcher due to his size, and an excellent ST tackler. Better is a matter of perspective on what you like more in a receiver. Claypool is flash, DJ is steady. Excellent game by Claypool, but I want to see him string together more consistency. He's trending the right way though!

I'm going to rewatch the coaches film when it releases to see where Claypool lined up. They used him in the slot a lot for some mismatches on LBs. I did see him on the X edge as well.

Thanks for the replies, Cope,

On 1 ) I would add DeCastro as a possible hall of fame player.


2 ) Pro Bowl talent is easy to spot, the player often does things that few others can. Claypool for example has has shown this already. His speed, catch radius, and leaping ability are evident. His big play ability is evident in his first 4 games played. He also had the type of game that pro bowlers, if they are lucky have once per season. Johnson to me shows nothing of the sort on film. He's small, his speed is average, and his ball security is an issue. He is also injury prone as I said. He's not a not the smartest player around either, as he showed yesterday before getting hurt, tying positive yardage into a negative play. I think Claypool has pro bowl talent, I do not see it for Johnson. No way. To be selected to play in the pro bowl, you need to be one of the 8 best in the NFL, or if you prefer 4 best in the AFC.


Using 2019 PRO BOWL from the AFC those players were Hopkins, Hill, Brown and Allen. Ju-ju subbed for Brown, Landry for Allen. Johnson isn't in their class. No way. Far from it. I think he won't have much more than 800 yards ( could very well be less ) and 5 TD's this season, which is a long way from the PRO BOWL I bet heavy he doesn't crack 1,000 yards receiving. He won't likely lead his team in receiving yardage either. His current 9.8 yards per catch is low as well. He's a solid #2 or good #3, limited to short to medium routes away from the sidelines.


3 ) Johnson targets are going down, not up. Why? Ju-ju and Claypool are both better, and Ebron offers value as a good receiving TE in the red zone or over the middle.


4 ) Very good. Wallace will have abetter career than Johnson. A 6 feet even 200 pounds, he wasn't really small. Johnson at 5'10 1/2 183 pounds Johnson is small.


5 ) Johnson has good, but inconstant hands. He drops too many easy ones. Claypool isn't all flash. Take yesterday, the DB was respecting his speed so he ran and out and picked up an easy 15 years. We will see more of that. Claypool can make game changing type of plays, Johnson seldom can. That should be evident. If someone asked me you can have either Claypool or Johnson on the team, it's Claypool by a mile. I think 8 out of 10 Steeler fans would agree.


I like you last sentence. Claypool can line up as the X, Y or Z receiver with great impact. That makes him versatile and even harder to cover. Ie. He can play any position X, Y, Z ( Also as a reverse runner ). He has great size, very good deep with his speed and large catch radius.His hands seem very good. He can jump with the best of them, too. Put him in the slot. getting the 3rd DB or a Linebacker in a match up, he can take it to the house. Johnson, due to his small stature and lack of big speed is not as versatile. He's a quick route runner type who can get open short, and gain some RAC, but his patterns that he is good at are short hence his yards per catch is below average for a receiver. Jonson is not a sideline guy, nor a good red zone thread, Claypool is both. As a blocker Claypool is very strong. Johnson gets slated away easily...not his fault there is a 24 pound difference between the two. THis means as a split wide option, or Y Claypool can be a real factor as a blocker. We saw it already.


I don't see Johnson's breakout anytime soon. We just aw Claypools break out yesterday. As I said before, I see Johnson as slightly slower E Sanders when he's healthy. Of the WRs picked from 2000 to current, I don't see Johnson's being among the 5 best. I'd put Claypool over him as well.


Ward
Brown
Ju-ju
Wallace


Sanders
Holmes
Burress


We have had some really good ones. Bryant while he was here and clean, I think was a better player too though that is arguable.

-Coach
 
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He has turf toe. He's had the last 3 game weeks off for the first practice with his 'toe'. For him to perform on that is pretty unreal, but then again he played the entire season last year with a bad groin. He might be injured, but he is also tough. He plays hurt, and still plays at a high level.

If he is hurt then they need to sit him out and play Ray Ray. No need to put an injured player on the field, especially when he has failed to complete the last two games with other injuries.
 
If he is hurt then they need to sit him out and play Ray Ray. No need to put an injured player on the field, especially when he has failed to complete the last two games with other injuries.


Ray Ray was a real find, not only is he a good return man, he can be spit wide or used as a reverse runner with great results.

The Steelers offense went from slow in 2019, to blazing fast. With Conner in there, expect more of these reverse run type of plays. If we can give McFarland 10 caries a game, the opposing defense will be on their heels, having to guard the outside and back off in coverage.

Blitz, and Ben will beat it. I am extremely pleased with Ben's quick decision making this season and accuracy. The weakest part of Ben's game in my opinion was failure to anticipate a roaming linebacker or safety cutting the route and intercepting the ball. Those days appear to be gone. 10 TD's, just 1 interception. Amazing numbers. Not only is Ben going to be the comeback player of the year, you could argue he's having one of his best three seasons so far, which is saying a lot.

Now if only the coaches would try a screen or play action once in a while.

-Coach
 
Ray Ray was a real find, not only is he a good return man, he can be spit wide or used as a reverse runner with great results.

The Steelers offense went from slow in 2019, to blazing fast. With Conner in there, expect more of these reverse run type of plays. If we can give McFarland 10 caries a game, the opposing defense will be on their heels, having to guard the outside and back off in coverage.

Blitz, and Ben will beat it. I am extremely pleased with Ben's quick decision making this season and accuracy. The weakest part of Ben's game in my opinion was failure to anticipate a roaming linebacker or safety cutting the route and intercepting the ball. Those days appear to be gone. 10 TD's, just 1 interception. Amazing numbers. Not only is Ben going to be the comeback player of the year, you could argue he's having one of his best three seasons so far, which is saying a lot.

Now if only the coaches would try a screen or play action once in a while.

-Coach
Unless a couple of people are hurt in front of him, I am not seeing the 10 carries per game. I'd like to see Benny Snell get more carries if we can get the running game going.
 
Unless a couple of people are hurt in front of him, I am not seeing the 10 carries per game. I'd like to see Benny Snell get more carries if we can get the running game going.


Philly shut down our running game. Conner just cant run wide. I'd like to see Conner get 15-20 caries a game, McFarland get 5-10 carries a game, and Snell close out game running the ball to kill the clock. Look for the Steelers to use more reverse runs, those are where our big plays can happen.

Our 2 TE set with Ebron and McDonald, combined with Claypool and Ju-ju, and McFarland as the back, I think can work. McDonald is still a good blocker, and we'd have three really good receiving options, plus excellent blocking ability on the edge from the WR's and fast back who has rare acceleration to the hole, who can also catch it. Defenses won't play much play nickel vs a 2 TE set often often, and if they try they will get overpowered by the run. IMO a great change up.

The question is, will Randy try it? I think we can run the ball well out of this formation, and its ideal for play action.
 
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