Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

Let’s try this another way. I say (theoretically) 90% of those cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Entirely possible as the numerator is much smaller than the denominator of TOTAL population regardless of vaccination status. Prove me wrong by presenting vaccinated vs. unvaccinated rates. What is you’re rationale for thinking they’re dissimilar to WV’s?

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No, you prove your asinine theory right. I'm tired of stomping your *** up the street and back and doing your work. You go do research and support it with data.

Meanwhile, I'll stand behind all of these states that have MORE deaths this year while vaccinated than in the past. Especially Maine and Vermont. OUch. OUCH.

You keep on arguing that it is fully logical to see Covid deaths increase as Covid vaccinations become pervasive. It's utterly comical.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

LOL! Yeah, Ivermectin.

Experts say lessons from abroad can rein in COVID variant

Despite its ability to transmit more easily and puncture vaccine defenses, the delta variant is no superbug. It is vulnerable to masking, distancing, and other non-pharmaceutical interventions, lessons from delta outbreaks overseas show.

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Idiot free-loading fool. Don't dare touch a thing I said, nooooooooooo. Instead, shift and deflect to the bogeyman your media told you to - Ivermectin.

India's done NOTHING in 17 months since their last lockdown except extensively use Ivermectin. They crushed Delta doing...nothing.

Their cases per million? Kicking our *****.

Does it bear repeating how badly you suck at this?

 

[Superman]

Does it bear repeating how badly you suck at this?

no more than saying the sun is bright, water is wet, air is free and Ogres be stank.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Floggy be try to say lockdown measures in a billion person population made Delta go away LOL.

From the WashCompost from August:

Fresh daily cases, which have sometimes edged above 40,000 and have been concentrated in the state of Kerala, are highlighting the difficulty in stamping out the highly infectious delta variant even in a country where antibody studies suggest that two-thirds of the population has previous exposure to the virus.

Epidemiologists say a nationwide seroprevalence survey released in July, which checks blood samples for the presence of coronavirus antibodies, may offer clues about which regions will be susceptible. Two-thirds of the country’s population appeared to have antibodies after the spring wave, the study showed.

Oooh, that evil ******* "natural immunity" that shall not be mentioned. This couldn't POSSIBLY have any effect on the stunningly rapid dismissal of cases could it? No, it was masks!! 1.4Billion people, in rural villages, in Bangalore, all wore masks and defeated Delta. Yep. You betcha.

Less than 10 percent of India’s population is fully vaccinated

Delta burned itself out in India, primarily due to the massive amount of natural immunity in India.

 

[Superman]

Floggy be try to say lockdown measures in a billion person population made Delta go away LOL.

From the WashCompost from August:





Oooh, that evil ******* "natural immunity" that shall not be mentioned. This couldn't POSSIBLY have any effect on the stunningly rapid dismissal of cases could it? No, it was masks!! 1.4Billion people, in rural villages, in Bangalore, all wore masks and defeated Delta. Yep. You betcha.



Delta burned itself out in India, primarily due to the massive amount of natural immunity in India.

but India is also one of the cleanest and purest countries on the planet.

right, Flog?

 

[Troglodyte]

prove you wrong in a hypothetical where you can slide the goal posts to meet your argument?

are you really that goddamned dense?

nevermind. dont answer it.

How is it sliding goal posts? Tim contends that the vaccinated have been largely responsible for the increase in cases and deaths but has provided NOTHING that compares or differentiates rates based on vaccination status making his claim BASELESS.

West Virginia COVID hospitalizations, deaths mostly of the unvaccinated

CHARLESTON — Active COVID-19 cases in Wood County were 684 on Monday, a drop of 71 from Sunday’s report, according to the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources’ pandemic update. Cases in Wood County peaked at 1,510 on Sept. 17. Active case numbers in other local counties on...

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[Tim Steelersfan]

Tim contends that the vaccinated have been largely responsible for the increase in cases and deaths but has provided NOTHING that compares or differentiates rates based on vaccination status making his claim BASELESS.

West Virginia COVID hospitalizations, deaths mostly of the unvaccinated

CHARLESTON — Active COVID-19 cases in Wood County were 684 on Monday, a drop of 71 from Sunday’s report, according to the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources’ pandemic update. Cases in Wood County peaked at 1,510 on Sept. 17. Active case numbers in other local counties on...

www.newsandsentinel.com

Wrong again. You couldn't stay on a logical conversational path if you were led down said path by a leash.

I have said the data shows that the vaccines are not working. Which is different than saying they are responsible for or causing cases/deaths to rise. These poor vaccines are doing a ****** job at preventing what they are supposed to.

My argument has consistently been the vaccines are far too ineffective.

United States - 57.5% Fully Vaxed, 66% partially vaxed.
USA 2020 deaths - 366,410
USA 2021 deaths - 393,522
7.4% INCREASE

And Israel is one of the most vaccinated populations on earth. And got to vaccinating en masse far earlier than most nations. Their deaths in 2020 were 3,325. Their deaths this year are 4,738 - a 42% increase.

It's like having gender discussions with a Liberal as they say 'Listen to the Science.' With 2/3 of our population vaccinated, as deaths rise, Liberals argue that is proof the vaccines are effective. The old scientific model used to be: (vaccinations increase) = (deaths decrease).

But hey, there are 64 genders now and boys can be girls. So I guess equally as bizarrely, someone can claim that vaccines are hyper-effective when deaths rise in a population after they are massively administered.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This ought to infuriate everyone. Biden withholding treatments that work to drive vaccines that have mixed results. Lives at stake, few discussing it. Pure evil.

Exclusive — Noem: Biden ‘Rationing’ Coronavirus Medicine for 'Political Reasons'

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem told Breitbart News exclusively that she believes Biden is "rationing" coronavirus treatments for "political reasons."

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[Superman]

How is it sliding goal posts? Tim contends that the vaccinated have been largely responsible for the increase in cases and deaths but has provided NOTHING that compares or differentiates rates based on vaccination status making his claim BASELESS.

West Virginia COVID hospitalizations, deaths mostly of the unvaccinated

CHARLESTON — Active COVID-19 cases in Wood County were 684 on Monday, a drop of 71 from Sunday’s report, according to the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources’ pandemic update. Cases in Wood County peaked at 1,510 on Sept. 17. Active case numbers in other local counties on...

www.newsandsentinel.com

see, that is where you are wrong.

Tim's been pointing out throughout the course of this thread that the vaxx shot is not as holy and rigtheous as you kneel down in praise to believe. The manufacturers have even shown it's waning in efficacy. Yet Y-O-U are saying the vaxx shot is the single only proven way to NOT get the virus and that getting the vaxx shot will always and forever 100% prevent you from getting sick with the virus and 100% always and forever prevent anyone else from getting the virus from you.

Even though science (that you refuse to follow or even acknowledge) proves differently.

We would ALL love for the vaxx shot to be the holy hand grenade in the war on the WooFloo created in China with American taxpayer funds directed there by Dr. Anthony Fauxci, but that's just not the case.

It should be seen, and this has been said many, many times over and over again, but you refuse to accept it, that this vaxx shot is more likely to assist the older population that the younger population. That said, the older population absolutely should get the vaxx shot. There should be advisement that the younger population CAN get the vaxx shot, but that there MAY also be side effects.

We are not being told of the side effects. Ever. Not until someone digs into the data and makes that discovery. Then its beaten down and back until its out of view.

Natural immunity is not being discussed in this country. Not at all. Sure, you'll regurgitate some lame links that mention it, but per Fauxci, we must achieve a certain % of the population to get the vaxx shot so we are at herd immunity.

 

[Steeltime]

How is it sliding goal posts? Tim contends that the vaccinated have been largely responsible for the increase in cases and deaths but has provided NOTHING that compares or differentiates rates based on vaccination status making his claim BASELESS.

You idiot, Tim does NOT state the the vaccine shot spreads the Chinese flu. He states instead that the vaccine shot does not do what its proponents claim it does, i.e., stop the spread. He cites numerous examples in support of his proposition.

You claim that despite the actual numbers, the data is not what it is and my eyes are lying to me. So after you make up a phony claim, you demand Tim cite support for your phony claim. Uhh, no.

How about you cite an example that supports YOUR claim ("The vaccine shot stops the spread of the Chinese flu"). Simple request - go ahead.

United States - 57.5% Fully Vaxed, 66% partially vaxed.
USA 2020 deaths - 366,410
USA 2021 deaths - 393,522
7.4% INCREASE

Here is where the public officials are again lying to us. They say, "57.5% of the population in the United States is fully vaxxed shot, 66% partially vaxxed shot."

*************, what percentage of the ADULT population has received the vaccine shot? Answer: 73% of adult population fully vaccinated and 80% with at least one dose.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Why fudge the numbers? To drive the false "United States unvaxxed not shot" narrative, that's why.

So Floggy, with 73% of the adult population fully vaxxed shot and 80% with at least one vax shot, why the huge numbers of infected?!?

 

[jitter77]

If the measures WORKED, they wouldn't be obliterating and destroying their all time case records. Everything they are doing, more draconian than just about anywhere else occur as they watch cases literally skyrocket.

Australia's all time daily case high in 2020 was last August at 721.
They are averaging over 2,000 cases a day in October with their high being 2,688.

Just a slight 273% increase in cases.

Meanwhile their death totals now (7 day averages) equal the worst 7 day averages they had in 2020.

Translation: The measures aren't doing jack ****.

I guess that means herd immunity doesnt work either.........On the flip side i think measures are too extreme in most places. Covid is going to be around for many years. If they can develop a true vax for covid that means they can develop one for the common cold or flu. About 20% of colds are caused by a coronavirus

 

[Confluence]

You idiot, Tim does NOT state the the vaccine shot spreads the Chinese flu. He states instead that the vaccine shot does not do what its proponents claim it does, i.e., stop the spread. He cites numerous examples in support of his proposition.

You claim that despite the actual numbers, the data is not what it is and my eyes are lying to me. So after you make up a phony claim, you demand Tim cite support for your phony claim. Uhh, no.

How about you cite an example that supports YOUR claim ("The vaccine shot stops the spread of the Chinese flu"). Simple request - go ahead.



Here is where the public officials are again lying to us. They say, "57.5% of the population in the United States is fully vaxxed shot, 66% partially vaxxed shot."

*************, what percentage of the ADULT population has received the vaccine shot? Answer: 73% of adult population fully vaccinated and 80% with at least one dose.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Why fudge the numbers? To drive the false "United States unvaxxed not shot" narrative, that's why.

So Floggy, with 73% of the adult population fully vaxxed shot and 80% with at least one vax shot, why the huge numbers of infected?!?

Alex, I'll take "Efficacy" for $90 Billion

 

[Troglodyte]

No, you prove your asinine theory right. I'm tired of stomping your *** up the street and back and doing your work. You go do research and support it with data.

Meanwhile, I'll stand behind all of these states that have MORE deaths this year while vaccinated than in the past. Especially Maine and Vermont. OUch. OUCH.

You keep on arguing that it is fully logical to see Covid deaths increase as Covid vaccinations become pervasive. It's utterly comical.

It’s not my theory, it’s reality.

These charts show the incredibly stark difference in COVID-19 death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated in California

Data from the California Department of Public Health show the huge disparity in COVID-19...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[Steelworth]

Covid is going to be around for many years. If they can develop a true vax for covid that means they can develop one for the common cold or flu. About 20% of colds are caused by a coronavirus

Yes it is. And they'll never develop a vaccine that eradicates these viruses as they mutate/change/variate way too much. The flu shot has been around for decades and has anywhere from 40%-60% efficacy. Hell, they say 20%-30% of viral strains of the cold/flu haven't even been identified. Haven't. Even. Been. Identified.

So your best bet is to go on with your life, live and eat as healthy as possible, and if you believe in them - take high quality vitamins. This Covid vaccine is essentially a power/control/money grab. Nothing more. Idiots like Flogged get their marching orders from their overlords and try to spread the fear - which is likely worse than the virus itself. It's been studied that stress is a big contributor to getting sick. Think people have been stressed? Living in quarantine? No natural vitamin D (sunlight) or just getting out in nature (natural stress relief)? You never hear them talking about that though.

That's because there's no money in it.

 

[Steelworth]

It’s not my theory, it’s reality.

What the real reality is, is that you sponge off of this site with nothing but cherry-picked garbage. You're nothing but a freeloading troll and always will be.

Deal with that reality, bubble boy.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I guess that means herd immunity doesnt work either.........On the flip side i think measures are too extreme in most places. Covid is going to be around for many years. If they can develop a true vax for covid that means they can develop one for the common cold or flu. About 20% of colds are caused by a coronavirus

It seems to be working for the Amish, in India, etc.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

It’s not my theory, it’s reality.

These charts show the incredibly stark difference in COVID-19 death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated in California

Data from the California Department of Public Health show the huge disparity in COVID-19...

www.sfchronicle.com

You provide an article....behind...a...pay...wall.

Has it been said enough times today, you suck at this?

If the vaccines worked, given we are 75% vaxed in this country, deaths wouldn't be higher this year than last. Simple fact. Undeniable even.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So my oldest son was forced to get the jab. His university "mandated" it based on The Science. He waited till the last minute, waiting for Novavax or some exception. Neither came.

So he took the J&J yesterday, given it has the fewest overall reported incidents and hopefully the least amount of danger.

Got it mid day. Keep in mind he is in quintessential good health. Zero comorbidities. Is in the gym literally every day. In tremendous shape. Has had Covid, it gave him the sniffles. Has natural immunity, but due to tyranny took it.

He decided to play flag football last night. First thing he noticed were his legs locking up. He said it was so weird. He said he quite literally couldn't move his legs at points. Fell down. Had to take himself out. Drove back to his apartment. Got out of his car, dropped to his knees trying to keep from throwing up. Eventually dragged himself upstairs, nauseated, legs not cooperating.

Then the fever set in. Said he had a 102 degree fever till about 5AM. His girlfriend was with him last night, made him have some soup he said that made him gag. I just got done a facetime with him. He looks like ****. Says he feels somewhat better, still sick to his stomach, fever is gone, but said he is wicked tired.

Then he said "I feel ten times worse than I did when I had Covid."

I'll be with him this weekend at the OSU-Penn State game. Told him to watch his symptoms and keep a close eye on how he is feeling.

**** all this ****. The kid didn't need the ******* shot. Took an unnecessary risk. Hopefully he only pays for it for a few days.

 

[Steelworth]

Sorry to hear that, Tim. At least he took the J&J jab (non mRNA). Hoping for the best my friend, keep us updated.

 

[Steelworth]

If the vaccines worked, given we are 75% vaxed in this country, deaths wouldn't be higher this year than last. Simple fact. Undeniable even.

 

[hamster]

I'll be with him this weekend at the OSU-Penn State game. Told him to watch his symptoms and keep a close eye on how he is feeling.

I'm sure he will be fine in a few days. Shame he was forced to take the jab.

My neighbor's daughter is a freshman at OSU. They are extremely unhappy with the quality of education she is getting, based on the Covid restrictions. She is currently looking at other options.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I'm sure he will be fine in a few days. Shame he was forced to take the jab.

My neighbor's daughter is a freshman at OSU. They are extremely unhappy with the quality of education she is getting, based on the Covid restrictions. She is currently looking at other options.

Until Covid it has been a great school. 3 or 4 top 10 ranked programs. His is one of them. But yeah, Covid drove them to lots of virtual bullshit and eroded the quality.

My other son is in an SEC school. None of this nonsense yet.

 

[oneforthebus]

So my oldest son was forced to get the jab. His university "mandated" it based on The Science. He waited till the last minute, waiting for Novavax or some exception. Neither came.

So he took the J&J yesterday, given it has the fewest overall reported incidents and hopefully the least amount of danger.

Got it mid day. Keep in mind he is in quintessential good health. Zero comorbidities. Is in the gym literally every day. In tremendous shape. Has had Covid, it gave him the sniffles. Has natural immunity, but due to tyranny took it.

He decided to play flag football last night. First thing he noticed were his legs locking up. He said it was so weird. He said he quite literally couldn't move his legs at points. Fell down. Had to take himself out. Drove back to his apartment. Got out of his car, dropped to his knees trying to keep from throwing up. Eventually dragged himself upstairs, nauseated, legs not cooperating.

Then the fever set in. Said he had a 102 degree fever till about 5AM. His girlfriend was with him last night, made him have some soup he said that made him gag. I just got done a facetime with him. He looks like ****. Says he feels somewhat better, still sick to his stomach, fever is gone, but said he is wicked tired.

Then he said "I feel ten times worse than I did when I had Covid."

I'll be with him this weekend at the OSU-Penn State game. Told him to watch his symptoms and keep a close eye on how he is feeling.

**** all this ****. The kid didn't need the ******* shot. Took an unnecessary risk. Hopefully he only pays for it for a few days.

I hope he'll be fine in a day or so. My son got Moderna after having covid and felt horrible for a day after the second. My husband got J&J and had no side effects at all. I've heard younger people have stronger reactions.

 

[Steeltime]

It’s not my theory, it’s reality.

These charts show the incredibly stark difference in COVID-19 death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated in California

Data from the California Department of Public Health show the huge disparity in COVID-19...

www.sfchronicle.com

You really are this stupid. For at least the fourth time, LET ME EXPLAIN IN A MANNER EVEN A BLITHERING IMBECILE SHOULD UNDERSTAND. Here goes:

• Vaccine shot does an excellent job in reducing symptoms. Got it.
• Vaccine shot does NOT prevent the vaccinated from getting the Chinese flu.
• Vaccine shot thereby does NOT prevent the spread of the Chinese flu.

Tim points to items 2 and 3, I point to items 2 and 3, and you return to the first point like a trained monkey, unable to analyze the other points. Floggy, your response?

Yeah, thought so.

P.S. Defend Tim's son being forced to take the vaccine despite having natural immunity. Go ahead. Let's hear it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I hope he'll be fine in a day or so. My son got Moderna after having covid and felt horrible for a day after the second. My husband got J&J and had no side effects at all. I've heard younger people have stronger reactions.

Thanks. I've also heard that if you have had Covid and get the jab, it affects you harder.

Lots of wives tales out there. Who knows.

Just bizzare that he had semi-paralysis type ****.