Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Perhaps you've not been paying attention. **** who am I kidding LOL you never do. Australia has implemented some of the most tyrannical, draconian measures in place on the planet. Vaccine mandates, prohibiting people from literally traveling between states, lockdowns. In New South Wales, home of Sydney, people were prohibited from moving further than 3 miles from their homes. The government sent in military personnel to enforce these measures. They've recently been under 7+ weeks of further lockdowns. Police and military personnel clash with their citizens. Arresting people for not wearing masks.

The result?

Who gives a rats *** about the absolute number of cases. Their case load now absolutely obliterates where they have been previously. Despite the draconian measures. It's as if they aren't working huh?

And to boot, 74.1% of people 16 and Down Under are fully vaxed. It's as if that isn't working either huh?


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Regardless how draconian their restrictions have been or not been, you’re delusional if you think they haven’t made a difference. The current US daily deaths are about the same as Australia’s all-time deaths.

 

[Steelworth]

Then again, one could glue the point to the tip of a crossbow arrow and lodge it between your eyes and you still wouldn't grasp it.

Anything seem odd about this?

Australia - pop. 25,888,470. Total cases: 162,026
China - pop. 1,439,323,776. Total cases: 96,840

Let's see if you can spot Waldo.

Let's see if he can spot himself.

 

[Steelworth]

Regardless how draconian their restrictions have been or not been, you’re delusional if you think they haven’t made a difference. The current US daily deaths are about the same as Australia’s all-time deaths.

So still no comment on Australia's land mass and extremely low population density? Didn't think so. Oh and about Australia, it's fairly close to the size of the whole of the United States in land mass, yet it's total population is less than that of California or Texas.

And like Steeltime said, they're essentially an island that stopped all immigration when the Chinese Flu started. You really are a jackass of epic proportions.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Regardless how draconian their restrictions have been or not been, you’re delusional if you think they haven’t made a difference.

If the measures WORKED, they wouldn't be obliterating and destroying their all time case records. Everything they are doing, more draconian than just about anywhere else occur as they watch cases literally skyrocket.

Australia's all time daily case high in 2020 was last August at 721.
They are averaging over 2,000 cases a day in October with their high being 2,688.

Just a slight 273% increase in cases.

Meanwhile their death totals now (7 day averages) equal the worst 7 day averages they had in 2020.

Translation: The measures aren't doing jack ****.

 

[Troglodyte]

The thread of this typical illogical discourse with you began with you comparing WV and VT. So I played the MD card. See, each time you play state roulette, someone can counter with a state that obliterates that argument. That's why the game is dumb.

Instead, look at the nation. Last year, no vax. This year, more deaths than last year....with the majority of the country vaxed. Great work vaccines.

Oh you'll say it's the unvaxed driving the deaths. Yeah, with the majority of the country vaxed, and/or having natural immunity, that makes sense that that small % of people is driving higher deaths than last year. Right.

Let's look at some of the most vaccinated states and how they've done year over year in deaths:

Maryland - 66% fully vaxed, 77% partial:
Maryland 2020 deaths from 3/18/20 (first death) to 12/31/20 was 5,727 deaths
Maryland 2021 deaths from 1/1/21 to 10/26/21 are 4,869 deaths.
15% drop in deaths. Wow.

Vermont - 71% fully vaxed, 79% partial:
Vermont 2020 deaths - 136
Vermont 2021 deaths - 215
58% INCREASE in deaths. Huh?

New Hampshire - 63% fullly vaxed, 74% partial:
NH 2020 deaths - 759
NH 2021 deaths - 784
3% INCREASE in deaths

Maine - 70% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
Maine 2020 deaths - 347
Maine 2021 deaths - 775
123% INCREASE in deaths. What??

Oregon - 63% fully vaxed, 68% partial:
Oregon 2020 deaths - 1,477
Oregon 2021 deaths - 2,814
91% INCREASE in deaths

New Mexico - 66% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
NM 2020 deaths - 2,477
NM 2021 deaths - 2,525
2% INCREASE in deaths

Colorado - 61% fully vaxed, 67% partial:
CO 2020 deaths - 3,901
CO 2021 deaths - 4,462
14% INCREASE in deaths

California - 61% fully vaxed, 74% partial:
CA 2020 deaths - 26,164
CA 2021 deaths - 45,478
74% INCREASE in deaths

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Now let's look at some of the least vaxed states and how they have fared.

South Dakota - 52% fully. vaxed, 61% partial:
South Dakota 2020 deaths - 1,488
South Dakota 2021 deaths - 770
48% DECREASE in deaths. Huh? But they are barely vaxed.

North Dakota - 46% vaxed, 53% partial:
ND 2020 deaths - 1,292
ND 2021 deaths - 426
62% DECREASE in deaths. What??

Louisiana - 47% fully vaxed, 54% partial:
LA 2020 deaths - 7,488
LA 2021 deaths - 6,992
7% DECREASE in deaths despite getting slammed by Delta

Missouri - 49% fully vaxed, 56% partial:
2020 deaths - 6,277
2021 deaths - 6,277
0% change

Indiana - 50% fully vaxed, 53% partial:
IN 2020 deaths - 9,490
IN 2021 deaths - 7,052
26% DECREASE in deaths

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One can find exceptions to each one of these. Which illustrates why state roulette is dumb. For every state you point out as EVIDENCE, counter-evidence can be supplied.

Further, it shows there is zero consistency in the vaccines working or not. Highly unvaxed states are outperforming highly vaxed states and vice versa. Zero consistency.

Hell, even the worst state in the union at vaccination, WV, is 41% fully vaxed, 49% partial. Yet....their...deaths...are far above....last year. Logic would dictate that if the vaccines were effective, deaths would have dropped by some degree given half their population has the vaccine. Yet instead they increased by 118% over last year (still less than Maine's increase). It's as if vaccinating half the population (WV) and 75% of the population (ME) had no discernable effect.

Yet you and the illogical media still try to convince people that somehow 50% of WV's population drove more than double the deaths in 2021 than the state saw in 2020.

Vaccination isn’t binary by state or year. How many of those 2021 deaths occurred before March 1st when only 7.5% of the population was fully vaccinated? How many of those deaths occured before April 1st when only 16.6% of the population was fully vaccinated? How many of those deaths since spring were unvaccinated. But you blame the vaccine because of your ideology.

YES, the unvaccinated absolutely drove, and continue to drive, WV Covid deaths.

West Virginia COVID hospitalizations, deaths mostly of the unvaccinated

CHARLESTON — Active COVID-19 cases in Wood County were 684 on Monday, a drop of 71 from Sunday’s report, according to the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources’ pandemic update. Cases in Wood County peaked at 1,510 on Sept. 17. Active case numbers in other local counties on...

www.newsandsentinel.com

 

[Troglodyte]

If the measures WORKED, they wouldn't be obliterating and destroying their all time case records. Everything they are doing, more draconian than just about anywhere else occur as they watch cases literally skyrocket.

Australia's all time daily case high in 2020 was last August at 721.
They are averaging over 2,000 cases a day in October with their high being 2,688.

Just a slight 273% increase in cases.

Meanwhile their death totals now (7 day averages) equal the worst 7 day averages they had in 2020.

Translation: The measures aren't doing jack ****.

Present their current or all time case rates and death rates per population compared to the US and then explain how their restrictions didn’t work. You’re delusional.

 

[Steelworth]

Present their current or all time case rates and death rates per population compared to the US and then explain how their restrictions didn’t work.

Present even a penny to this site first.

https://c.tenor.com/15ilRsMsX_oAAAAC/dave-chappelle-gotcha-*****.gif

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Vaccination isn’t binary by state or year. How many of those 2021 deaths occurred before March 1st when only 7.5% of the population was fully vaccinated? How many of those deaths occured before April 1st when only 16.6% of the population was fully vaccinated? How many of those deaths since spring were unvaccinated. But you blame the vaccine because of your ideology.

YES, the unvaccinated absolutely drove, and continue to drive, WV Covid deaths.

West Virginia COVID hospitalizations, deaths mostly of the unvaccinated

CHARLESTON — Active COVID-19 cases in Wood County were 684 on Monday, a drop of 71 from Sunday’s report, according to the West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources’ pandemic update. Cases in Wood County peaked at 1,510 on Sept. 17. Active case numbers in other local counties on...

www.newsandsentinel.com

Wrong. Stupid logic.

If 16.6% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down.
If 30% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down further.
If 50% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down even further.

Instead, as vaccinations increased in all of these states at the top of my chart, deaths increased.

Traditionally, as vaccinations increase, deaths fall.

Not with these.

We have more deaths in the USA this year.

Argument over.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Present their current or all time case rates and death rates per population compared to the US and then explain how their restrictions didn’t work. You’re delusional.

Now it's country roulette.

Explain India. Compared to the USA.

I'll wait.

 

[Badcat]

Can I just say...thank you for making this a highly entertaining thread. you have me in stiches at times. Absolutely brutal!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This obit was shared on Twitter. Twitter shadow banned it. Scum bags.

Twitter fact checks obituary of mother 'who died from the vaccine'

 

[Troglodyte]

Wrong. Stupid logic.

If 16.6% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down.
If 30% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down further.
If 50% of the population is vaccinated, cases/hospitalizations/deaths should be going down even further.

Instead, as vaccinations increased in all of these states at the top of my chart, deaths increased.

Traditionally, as vaccinations increase, deaths fall.

Not with these.

We have more deaths in the USA this year.

Argument over.

16.6% was April 1st. Deaths were going down to about a third of their all-time highs of the winter surge. Cases were about a quarter of the all-time highs. Regardless…

You continue to see vaccination as binary. Your logic would make sense if 100% of the population was vaccinated as of January 1st, or you could show that rates are similar between the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts. We know this not to be anywhere close to being true. Just as the WV article showed, the majority of cases and deaths have been among the unvaccinated.

Simpson’s paradox | Definition, Example, and Explanation

Simpson’s paradox, also called Yule-Simpson effect, in statistics, an effect that occurs when the marginal association between two categorical variables is qualitatively different from the partial association between the same two variables after controlling for one or more other variables...

www.britannica.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

16.6% was April 1st. Deaths were going down to about a third of their all-time highs of the winter surge. Cases were about a quarter of the all-time highs. Regardless…

You continue to see vaccination as binary. Your logic would make sense if 100% of the population was vaccinated as of January 1st, or you could show that rates are similar between the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts. We know this not to be anywhere close to being true. Just as the WV article showed, the majority of cases and deaths have been among the unvaccinated.

Simpson’s paradox | Definition, Example, and Explanation

Simpson’s paradox, also called Yule-Simpson effect, in statistics, an effect that occurs when the marginal association between two categorical variables is qualitatively different from the partial association between the same two variables after controlling for one or more other variables...

www.britannica.com

Son, you've lost this argument. Why you keep persisting shows your futility.

If a vaccine prevents serious illness and death - it does just that. Only you would try to use 21IQ type logic and say that the vaccine is working to prevent serious illness and death as you watch deaths rise in a state 75% vaccinated.

I provided you countless states....STATES. Deaths increased in 2020 DESPITE the vaccines being distributed throughout the year.

While under-vaccinated states saw their deaths DROP.

It's like watching a 3rd grader trying to battle an NFL linebacker at this point.

Maryland - 66% fully vaxed, 77% partial:
Maryland 2020 deaths from 3/18/20 (first death) to 12/31/20 was 5,727 deaths
Maryland 2021 deaths from 1/1/21 to 10/26/21 are 4,869 deaths.
15% drop in deaths. Wow.

Vermont - 71% fully vaxed, 79% partial:
Vermont 2020 deaths - 136
Vermont 2021 deaths - 215
58% INCREASE in deaths. Huh?

New Hampshire - 63% fullly vaxed, 74% partial:
NH 2020 deaths - 759
NH 2021 deaths - 784
3% INCREASE in deaths

Maine - 70% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
Maine 2020 deaths - 347
Maine 2021 deaths - 775
123% INCREASE in deaths. What??

Oregon - 63% fully vaxed, 68% partial:
Oregon 2020 deaths - 1,477
Oregon 2021 deaths - 2,814
91% INCREASE in deaths

New Mexico - 66% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
NM 2020 deaths - 2,477
NM 2021 deaths - 2,525
2% INCREASE in deaths

Colorado - 61% fully vaxed, 67% partial:
CO 2020 deaths - 3,901
CO 2021 deaths - 4,462
14% INCREASE in deaths

California - 61% fully vaxed, 74% partial:
CA 2020 deaths - 26,164
CA 2021 deaths - 45,478
74% INCREASE in deaths

South Dakota - 52% fully. vaxed, 61% partial:
South Dakota 2020 deaths - 1,488
South Dakota 2021 deaths - 770
48% DECREASE in deaths. Huh? But they are barely vaxed.

North Dakota - 46% vaxed, 53% partial:
ND 2020 deaths - 1,292
ND 2021 deaths - 426
62% DECREASE in deaths. What??

Louisiana - 47% fully vaxed, 54% partial:
LA 2020 deaths - 7,488
LA 2021 deaths - 6,992
7% DECREASE in deaths despite getting slammed by Delta

Missouri - 49% fully vaxed, 56% partial:
2020 deaths - 6,277
2021 deaths - 6,277
0% change

Indiana - 50% fully vaxed, 53% partial:
IN 2020 deaths - 9,490
IN 2021 deaths - 7,052
26% DECREASE in deaths

 

[Superman]

Perhaps you've not been paying attention. **** who am I kidding LOL you never do. Australia has implemented some of the most tyrannical, draconian measures in place on the planet. Vaccine mandates, prohibiting people from literally traveling between states, lockdowns. In New South Wales, home of Sydney, people were prohibited from moving further than 3 miles from their homes. The government sent in military personnel to enforce these measures. They've recently been under 7+ weeks of further lockdowns. Police and military personnel clash with their citizens. Arresting people for not wearing masks.

The result?

Who gives a rats *** about the absolute number of cases. Their case load now absolutely obliterates where they have been previously. Despite the draconian measures. It's as if they aren't working huh?

And to boot, 74.1% of people 16 and Down Under are fully vaxed. It's as if that isn't working either huh?


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is there be a Key West in Australia? asking for a freeloading knuckle dragging low IQ dipshit.

 

[Superman]

to get ahead of Flog's screeching and grabbing at the hem of xis skirt, I hereby predict the great state of Florida will have an uptick in Covid tests and positive results very soon.

its Snowbird Season.

hopefully Floggy Covidseed keeps his *** out of the state.

 

[Troglodyte]

Now it's country roulette.

Explain India. Compared to the USA.

I'll wait.

The Coronavirus Response in India – World's Largest Lockdown

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The Coronavirus Response in India – World's Largest Lockdown

December 2020???

By the way, Reagan died.

Also.....their lockdown which lasted less than 3 full months, was an EPIC success:



Their lockdown ended 17 Months ago. 17. SEVENTEEN.

It worked so well, cases skyrocketed.



Floggy be say "This clearly shows the lockdowns worked. Do you know how much worse those waves would have been if they hadn't locked down???!! JFC!"

Epic. Truly....epic.

India uses Ivermectin. Vastly under-vaccinated. Haven't had a lockdown in over a year and a half.

Death rate? 326 per Million. Kicking ***. Doing nothing.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

is there be a Key West in Australia? asking for a freeloading knuckle dragging low IQ dipshit.

He wants to take his vaccinated, virus-spreading *** down under?

 

[Superman]

Regardless how draconian their restrictions have been or not been, you’re delusional if you think they haven’t made a difference. The current US daily deaths are about the same as Australia’s all-time deaths.

KORREKT KOMRADE!!!

I say we utilize all of technology at our disposal and put iron bars around all homes and buildings, nail doors shut so people cannot move freely about to the market or work. they can work from home. this has been proven. then we feed them and provide necessities to them via Amazon drone.

of kourse this ends when the kountry is 99.999999% vaxxed shot

PERFEKT, right?

 

[Superman]

The Coronavirus Response in India – World's Largest Lockdown

In the end, and despite the series of lockdowns, the number of active infections continued to increase with more than 410,461 cases and 15,413 deaths in mid-June

obviously you did not read any of that

 

[Troglodyte]

Son, you've lost this argument. Why you keep persisting shows your futility.

If a vaccine prevents serious illness and death - it does just that. Only you would try to use 21IQ type logic and say that the vaccine is working to prevent serious illness and death as you watch deaths rise in a state 75% vaccinated.

I provided you countless states....STATES. Deaths increased in 2020 DESPITE the vaccines being distributed throughout the year.

While under-vaccinated states saw their deaths DROP.

It's like watching a 3rd grader trying to battle an NFL linebacker at this point.

Maryland - 66% fully vaxed, 77% partial:
Maryland 2020 deaths from 3/18/20 (first death) to 12/31/20 was 5,727 deaths
Maryland 2021 deaths from 1/1/21 to 10/26/21 are 4,869 deaths.
15% drop in deaths. Wow.

Vermont - 71% fully vaxed, 79% partial:
Vermont 2020 deaths - 136
Vermont 2021 deaths - 215
58% INCREASE in deaths. Huh?

New Hampshire - 63% fullly vaxed, 74% partial:
NH 2020 deaths - 759
NH 2021 deaths - 784
3% INCREASE in deaths

Maine - 70% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
Maine 2020 deaths - 347
Maine 2021 deaths - 775
123% INCREASE in deaths. What??

Oregon - 63% fully vaxed, 68% partial:
Oregon 2020 deaths - 1,477
Oregon 2021 deaths - 2,814
91% INCREASE in deaths

New Mexico - 66% fully vaxed, 76% partial:
NM 2020 deaths - 2,477
NM 2021 deaths - 2,525
2% INCREASE in deaths

Colorado - 61% fully vaxed, 67% partial:
CO 2020 deaths - 3,901
CO 2021 deaths - 4,462
14% INCREASE in deaths

California - 61% fully vaxed, 74% partial:
CA 2020 deaths - 26,164
CA 2021 deaths - 45,478
74% INCREASE in deaths

South Dakota - 52% fully. vaxed, 61% partial:
South Dakota 2020 deaths - 1,488
South Dakota 2021 deaths - 770
48% DECREASE in deaths. Huh? But they are barely vaxed.

North Dakota - 46% vaxed, 53% partial:
ND 2020 deaths - 1,292
ND 2021 deaths - 426
62% DECREASE in deaths. What??

Louisiana - 47% fully vaxed, 54% partial:
LA 2020 deaths - 7,488
LA 2021 deaths - 6,992
7% DECREASE in deaths despite getting slammed by Delta

Missouri - 49% fully vaxed, 56% partial:
2020 deaths - 6,277
2021 deaths - 6,277
0% change

Indiana - 50% fully vaxed, 53% partial:
IN 2020 deaths - 9,490
IN 2021 deaths - 7,052
26% DECREASE in deaths

Let’s try this another way. I say (theoretically) 90% of those cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Entirely possible as the numerator is much smaller than the denominator of TOTAL population regardless of vaccination status. Prove me wrong by presenting vaccinated vs. unvaccinated rates. What is you’re rationale for thinking they’re dissimilar to WV’s?

Simpson’s paradox | Definition, Example, and Explanation

Simpson’s paradox, also called Yule-Simpson effect, in statistics, an effect that occurs when the marginal association between two categorical variables is qualitatively different from the partial association between the same two variables after controlling for one or more other variables...

www.britannica.com

 

[Superman]

are these part of the 99% of all doctors who have been vaxxed shot and support the vaxx shot?

Israeli Physicians & Scientists Warn FDA: Vaccine Data is Flawed - UncoverDC

In advance of the FDA's Oct. 26 Advisory Committee Meeting on approving Pfizer jab for children, Israeli experts warn data from MOH is flawed

uncoverdc.com

 

[Superman]

Let’s try this another way. I say (theoretically) 90% of those cases/deaths are unvaccinated. Entirely possible as the numerator is much smaller than the denominator of TOTAL population regardless of vaccination status. Prove me wrong by presenting vaccinated vs. unvaccinated rates. What is you’re rationale for thinking they’re dissimilar to WV’s?

Simpson’s paradox | Definition, Example, and Explanation

Simpson’s paradox, also called Yule-Simpson effect, in statistics, an effect that occurs when the marginal association between two categorical variables is qualitatively different from the partial association between the same two variables after controlling for one or more other variables...

www.britannica.com

prove you wrong in a hypothetical where you can slide the goal posts to meet your argument?

are you really that goddamned dense?

nevermind. dont answer it.

 

[Troglodyte]

December 2020???

By the way, Reagan died.

Also.....their lockdown which lasted less than 3 full months, was an EPIC success:

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Their lockdown ended 17 Months ago. 17. SEVENTEEN.

It worked so well, cases skyrocketed.

View attachment 6773

Floggy be say "This clearly shows the lockdowns worked. Do you know how much worse those waves would have been if they hadn't locked down???!! JFC!"

Epic. Truly....epic.

India uses Ivermectin. Vastly under-vaccinated. Haven't had a lockdown in over a year and a half.

Death rate? 326 per Million. Kicking ***. Doing nothing.

LOL! Yeah, Ivermectin.

Experts say lessons from abroad can rein in COVID variant

Despite its ability to transmit more easily and puncture vaccine defenses, the delta variant is no superbug. It is vulnerable to masking, distancing, and other non-pharmaceutical interventions, lessons from delta outbreaks overseas show.

news.harvard.edu