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Covid Vaccine

Tim Steelersfan said:
Yep. You're a complete ideologue at this point. You're now dismissing any possibility that any adverse reaction anywhere could be caused by one of the non-tested vaccines.

That's Jim Jones Guyana-level idolatry there.
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There is nothing that supports that the vaccines cause miscarriages. There have been at least three studies. Ideology is dismissing the findings of the studies.

If it was shown that every woman that had a miscarriage also drank water within 24 hours of the miscarriage, would it be reasonable to conclude that drinking water causes miscarriages? Then why conclude that the vaccine is causing miscarriages because SOME vaccinated women have them?
 
Troglodyte said:
If it was shown that every woman that had a miscarriage also drank water within 24 hours of the miscarriage, would it be reasonable to conclude that drinking water causes miscarriages? Then why conclude that the vaccine is causing miscarriages because SOME vaccinated women have them?
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Your example is proof that you cannot rationalize what the hell is going on today. Let's take your example and make it more realistic to what is actually going on with the vaccine side effects.

If it was shown that every woman that had a miscarriage, also ate at least 2 ounces of government cheese within 24 hours of the miscarriage. Would it be reasonable to conclude that eating government issued cheese is causing miscarriages'. YES!
 
Sarge said:
Are all the vaccines waning? If so I hadn't seen that. I have seen the data on Pfizer. It falls apart pretty much at 4-6 months. I have seen nothing similar on J&J or Moderna.
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Yes. I'd have to go back and dig up the posts, but I've posted articles and quotes. Moderna's CEO, like the Pfizer CEO, admitted their vaccine wanes. Studies have shown Moderna does too.

Re: J&J, not sure. It's the least administered, but also started with the lowest efficacy. IIRC, like in the 60% range.


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Covid Vaccine Protection Wanes Over Time: Pfizer, Moderna

While many countries have proceeded with the booster doses, many scientists have called against it.
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US drug makers Pfizer and Moderna have, in different studies claimed that protection from their mRNA vaccine against Covid-19 can last only for about six months, or a little more, pitching a strong case for booster shots -- ignoring the calls against it by a slew of scientists.
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Troglodyte said:
There is nothing that supports that the vaccines cause miscarriages.
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There is a rise in reported miscarriages that correlates to a rise in vaccinations. Data worth investigating.

Troglodyte said:
There have been at least three studies.
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There have also been studies that have shown the vaccines were safe, to be trusted, would prevent the spread of Covid, would keep you out of the hospital, etc.

Floggy: In 2020, excess deaths were up in line with the # of Covid deaths we experienced. Therefore, Covid led to the excess deaths.
Also Floggy: In 2021 as vaccinations have ramped up, reports of miscarriages among vaccinated pregnant women have risen...."There is no correlation."

It's funny how you will consider correlations...till you won't.
 
Now the Netherlands is rising up. Good.

citizenfreepress.com

Amsterdam rises up!

10,000+ protest Vaccine mandate in Amsterdam Freedom Fighters Battle Covid Police Nazis It was gray and raining but that didn’t keep demonstrations f…
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@Steeltime 's favorite country, Sweden, showing strong.

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Israel Covid cases spiked as they began rolling out the third booster.

Sweden, where natural immunity is supreme, had very little rise as Delta struck.

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James O’Keefe strikes again… Pfizer scientist turns whistleblower​

Pfizer scientist Nick Karl — “Your antibodies are better than the Pfizer vaccination. I work for an evil corporation. Our organization is run on Covid money now.”

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www.projectveritas.com

Pfizer Scientist: ‘Your Antibodies are Probably Better than the Vaccination’

Investigating and exposing corruption in both public and private institutions.
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three studies.

wow.

full speed ahead, then.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
You don't understand the VAERs numbers. They are reports. Suspicious reports. Vastly unproven. Vastly under-reported. In a database that is vastly under-utilized, there HAVE BEEN reports of hundreds of miscarriages a month. It's not a dispute.

And those suspicious reports have increased directly in correlation to the rising administration of the vaccine.

You dismiss every single data point, death, injury tied to the vaccines because it's ideology. At some point, you'll have no choice but to accept that these vaccines aren't vaccines, that they have waned dramatically, and that compared to all other true vaccines, they are far more dangerous.
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This is dangerous misinformation Tim. Miscarriages are common. The fact that hundreds happened after tens of millions of people got vaccinated in a very short period of time would be fully expected, is not data and means exactly nothing. Actual data would be "vaccinated people have x times the risk of miscarriage as unvaccinated people." Not "something that happens commonly in unvaccinated people also happens commonly in vaccinated people."

Meanwhile there is actual data that shows pregnancy doubles your risk of ICU admission with covid, and makes you 70% more likely to die from covid. Covid during pregnancy also makes you more likely to have a preterm birth.
 
Superman said:
you continue suggesting that it is the right-wing trump-fans who refuse to get the shot.
data shows that the vast majority of the black population has not gotten jabbed.
the vast majority of the black population are not right-wing trump-fans
though the right-wing trump-fans do not trust big government
the vast majority of the black population also does not trust the government
it is easy to see where you blurred the venn diagram
those are not one and the same
those are different

as such, now that this has been pointed out to you, how do you propose (and this has been asked more than once) you convince the vast majority of the black population who does not trust the government to NOW trust the government and get the jabby jab when their distrust in the government came at the point of a stabby stab?

until you can answer that question, i shall continue to point out the dramatic flaw in your cerebrum expression.
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Uh, that’s not my job, why do you think it is? If someone doesn’t get the vaccine, for whatever reason, that’s a shame.
 
oneforthebus said:
This is dangerous misinformation Tim. Miscarriages are common. The fact that hundreds happened after tens of millions of people got vaccinated in a very short period of time would be fully expected, is not data and means exactly nothing. Actual data would be "vaccinated people have x times the risk of miscarriage as unvaccinated people." Not "something that happens commonly in unvaccinated people also happens commonly in vaccinated people."

Meanwhile there is actual data that shows pregnancy doubles your risk of ICU admission with covid, and makes you 70% more likely to die from covid. Covid during pregnancy also makes you more likely to have a preterm birth.
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I'm not drawing a conclusion OFTB. I'm showing data. How is it misinformation? It's misinformation to point out that reports of miscarriages have increased in correlation to vaccine administration?

You can view it here: https://openvaers.com/covid-data/reproductive-health

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There is an increase in miscarriage reports to VAERS from prior months. That's not misinformation. Is there a link or connection? Perhaps. Why the increase this year in suspicious reports?

Yes, Covid is risky for pregnant women. 160, or 9 a month over 18 months, have died of Covid.
 
Tim & Steeltime won't rest until everyone's dead. That seems like a legitimate statement at this stage.

The good news is new cases have been gradually coming down. Let's hope this continues and this miserable pandemic finally comes to an end. And when it does, Tim and Steeltime will *still* be here, posting anti-vaxx, anti-mask conspiracy theories until they're blue in the face. Strangest thing ever is seeing these unhinged conspiracy clowns work night and day to spread disinformation and lies. It seems as if they're paid to do so. Or simply, they're in a death cult of some sort, and get their rocks off by seeing as much human suffering as possible. Makes you wonder.

fortune.com

New COVID cases are down 20%. See how your state is doing

The number of new cases has dropped over the past two weeks in a majority of U.S. states.
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Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm not drawing a conclusion OFTB. I'm showing data. How is it misinformation? It's misinformation to point out that reports of miscarriages have increased in correlation to vaccine administration?

You can view it here: https://openvaers.com/covid-data/reproductive-health

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There is an increase in miscarriage reports to VAERS from prior months. That's not misinformation. Is there a link or connection? Perhaps. Why the increase this year in suspicious reports?

Yes, Covid is risky for pregnant women. 160, or 9 a month over 18 months, have died of Covid.
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An increase in miscarriage reports to VAERS because tens of millions of people were all vaccinated in a very short period of time! That's a massive increase in numbers of vaccinations over that time period! Obviously VAERS reports of ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING are going to massively increase too. This is how the misinformation masters twist things. Show the data that miscarriage is more common in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated ones. You can't because it doesn't exist. Your theory is they are just purposely keeping it from us. Yet they have informed us of other adverse events that ARE slightly more common in vaccinated people than unvaccinated ones. How do you explain this? Do they just have it in for pregnant women? Devious population control?

I swore I would not keep beating this "VAERS reports are not data" drum because it's futile. But when you attempt to convince pregnant women not to get vaccinated that is irresponsible and dangerous.
 
oneforthebus said:
But when you attempt to convince pregnant women not to get vaccinated that is irresponsible and dangerous.
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*Irresponsible and dangerous* are key, fundamental proponents of Tim & Steeltime's time spent posting on this board. That seems to be their desired goal.
 
oneforthebus said:
Another bullshit drama queen statement that is not even close to accurate and adds nothing to an intelligent debate.
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Sigh. Can always count on fence-sitter OFTB to chime in with her sweet nothings. Someone who opposes Trump yet at the same time doesn't. Someone who writes legitimate, sound posts on Covid yet sits by idly as others spin wild conspiracies and lies. At least you're consistently lukewarm, neither here nor there, neither hot nor cold. There's something to be said for that, I guess. (y)
 
Tibs said:
Sigh. Can always count on fence-sitter OFTB to chime in with her sweet nothings. Someone who opposes Trump yet at the same time doesn't. Someone who writes legitimate, sound posts on Covid yet sits by idly as others spin wild conspiracies and lies. At least you're consistently lukewarm, neither here nor there, neither hot nor cold. There's something to be said for that, I guess. (y)
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Can always count on drama queen Tibs to chime in with "THEY ARE EVIL SATANIC GHOULS WHO JUST WANT EVERYONE DEAD" instead of actually putting forth an intelligent fact-based argument.

What I am is fair and unbiased. Some of you should try it sometime.
 
And by he way the entire reason I jumped back in this thread after giving up numerous times was to dispute misinformation. As I have many times before. But yeah I guess I should pick a side and hurl insults because that's so much more interesting.
 
Miscarriages after eating turkey are gonna be way up in late November and early December. It doesn't mean turkey causes miscarriages, it means a whole lot more people ate turkey than normally do.
 
oneforthebus said:
Can always count on drama queen Tibs to chime in with "THEY ARE EVIL SATANIC GHOULS WHO JUST WANT EVERYONE DEAD" instead of actually putting forth an intelligent fact-based argument.

What I am is fair and unbiased. Some of you should try it sometime.
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