Covid Vaccine
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ADE and efficacy are two different issues entirely. I have not seen any evidence to this point of ADE actually occurring. Lower efficacy based on mutations is absolutely to be expected based on this be a virus and it as you know the reason we have to just ******* move on and deal with it like it is the flu. The fear from the left over the virus and the fear from the other side on the vaccine is getting old. You know my position, take the vaccine, don't take the vaccine but unless you have a very specific problem just go live your life, just don't tell me how to live mine with this damn virus that is horrible but also not anything to live in fear over.
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No one is pushing to use this drug this way Tibs that is another flat out lie. we just live in a society of dumbasses. How else do you explain BIden being President.
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Lebanon, I find it odd you don't know about this. Been going on for months, no joke.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/24/how-trumpian-politics-stoke-coronavirus-pandemic/
I'm truly shocked nobody's sued the socks off FoxNews by now.
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My mother was given that in the Hospital and it is a legitimate treatment option for clinical trials, Just because dumbasses try to self treat with the wrong thing doesn't invalidate the treatment option. While there is disagreement over its effectiveness properly used in clinical trials and off label it is safe. Going out and injecting yourself with something is just stupid no matter what.
"current" is not the same as ... last year.
your blinders are so tight that you must be literally unable to breathe.
ivermectin is used for a whole range of issues. in both animals and humans. Pulled this from elsewhere...
A bunch of people on both sides of the conversation (very simple people) apparently think it’s only for animals or are using the animal-intended mixes of it for self-treatment. Both are equally ignorant. Since the 1970s, ivermectin has benefitted literally BILLIONS of people for a myriad of issues. And has NEVER been considered unsafe… until it needed to be.
You see, if there’s an existing treatment/prophylactic (which some compelling evidence suggests ivermectin may be), the Emergency Use Authorization for new treatments are nullified. And ivermectin is out of patent. So it’s super cheap. Well under a dollar instead of thousands. That means that if it works, Big Pharma loses BILLIONS
If you think the CDC and WHO are above reproach, I’d direct you to Agent Orange, Fauci end-running an Obama White House Directive to stop the research he moved out of the States and into Wuhan, and a torrent of other examples.
There have been multiple meta-analyses performed with thousands of patients regarding ivermectin. Plenty of case studies as well.
Should it be declared the save-all? No. But it absolutely should NOT be held to a higher standard of evidence than other emerging ($$) treatments. Yet the statements about the new vaccines and treatments are: “We don’t have evidence they are dangerous” and the statements about ivermectin are “We don’t have evidence it is safe”. Again, this despite being used on billions of people… with a B… since the 1970s.
I’m not asking anyone to declare it a solution or a cure. But I am asking that people keep an open mind while understanding there are MASSIVE financial motivations for a cheap, effective drug to be slandered by those in control of the medical narrative.
Finally, I’ll leave a list of a few interesting reads in the comments, along with this interesting (to me) side note: The individual who invented the mRNA vaccine technology has stated that ivermectin - if broadly used - could lead to the eradication (not just control) of Covid in short order.
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LOL no I want this over. It's caused havoc in my life and millions and millions of others.
I am sick and tired of the feckless attempts by our Government and others that aren't working, repeating the same bullshit over and over again. I hoped long and hard the vaccines would work.
But unlike you, despite your sobbing pleas, I'm a realist and right the moment, realistically, the vaccines are clearly not working to prevent this wave.
No I want them to work. That's far different than pointing out the obvious. The vaccines, masking, mandates are not effective at this moment in time.
Who implemented lockdowns and masking for the H1N1 or prior "epidemics?" We will wait.
No, I'd call you an epic dumbass. No different than any other day.
Au contraire. I pick and choose to point out where we are at any moment in time. Today, it's obvious where we are. You just don't choose to "see"
They are two different issues, no question. There's no evidence of ADE occurring. No evidence of leaking vaccines occurring.
Except...52% of us are fully vaccinated, 61% partially and COVID is back to tearing through the country. Something is wrong and it's not "the unvaccinated."
What is wrong is the question and I'm anxious to find out. ADE? Leaky vaccines? Or we simply can't stay ahead of the mutations for other reasons? Who knows right now.
Dipshits that drink chlorine and take the veterinary version of Ivermectin deserve to be Darwin'd.
I took Ivermectin. The correct kind. Worked like a charm. I know this chaffes you to no end, because The Former Guy suggested it and by god it cannot and should not work. Lives be damned.
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I don’t understand what you mean by this, please expound.
Because you're a dip ****. Nothing changes.
Cases are rising in vaccinated states, as I pointed out in great detail yesterday. Cases are dropping in the areas previously hit.
The wave began in Louisiana and Alabama and the map and the cases showing it moving north. Just keep watching. The vaccines aren't stopping the spread. Higher vaccinated states are now getting their waves.
Daily Reported Cases (7 day average)
MN is 55.4% fully vaccinated, IL is 50.7% fully vaccinated, Michigan is 50.2% fully vaccinated, New York 59.5% fully vaccinated, MA is 65.6% fully vaccinated, DC is 56.9% fully vaccinated, PA is 54.6% fully vaccinated. The Northeast Corridor, highly vaccinated, is lighting up.
Clearly you can read a map?
COVID is spreading and growing in the higher vaccinated states. Just keep watching.
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Again, do some research. The dumbasses were taking animal doses of the drug. Bunch of stupid people that deserve the Darwin award. When dosed appropriately for humans, it has been shown to work quite well. But hey, there is no money in that for Big Pharma.
If I hear one more word from ******* potato head about covid or the vac given what happened today I’m going to loose it. ….no potato head isn’t a poster but the pos in office just to be clear.
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So what? Keep watching why?
We’ll eventually see the vaccinated states reach the same levels that we are seeing in the unvaccinated states?
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Bingo. On record. Exactly.
Admission that what we are doing isn't working, the vaccines aren't stopping the spread, masking isn't working, and we need a new approach.
BTW...you're needed in the Taliban thread. In case you didn't leave your bubble today, Xiden really ****** the pooch. We are all super interested in your profound musings on that topic.
Um there are a bunch of papers backing that treatment… its been used abroad a lot and is in use in the US… much like several other drugs ypu cannot just get any products with it and take it… it has to be a medically regulated dose made for human consumption… there is a web md page for it… its an antiparasite medicine….
Ivermectin Oral: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings & Dosing - WebMD
Find patient medical information for ivermectin oral on WebMD including its uses, side effects and safety, interactions, pictures, warnings and user ratings.
www.webmd.com
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Be specific. Vaccinated states will see cases at 150+% of their winter surge like Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana are seeing now?
You're in the prediction game, not me.
I'm telling what I'm watching now. Vaccines aren't stopping the spread. And the spread is moving to the vaccinated states you've licked the taint of for months now while admonishing those less vaccinated.
You're use to whistling different tunes. Always fun to watch. Like your words from March 2020. In October you'll be whistling a different tune. Make it about waffles. It's what you do.
The best quote I've read today applies here, to COVID, to Afghanistan, to you:
When ideology prevents rationality, what’s left is insanity. It’s on full display in Washington, DC right now.
Huh ... early results, not yet peer-reviewed but published due to the significance of the findings, i.e., those who have natural immunity are 6 to 13 times less likely to get the Delta variant than those vaccinated.
Science, *******.
Science, *******.
I'm just a pincushion, do everything she asks
I'm a pincushion, gotta face the facts
I'm just a pincushion, do everything she asks
I have had 2 covid shots and a tdep shot. Now they say we will need a covid booster. ****
I'm a pincushion, gotta face the facts
I'm just a pincushion, do everything she asks
I have had 2 covid shots and a tdep shot. Now they say we will need a covid booster. ****
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Covid — not vaccinations — presents biggest blood clot risk, large study finds
The risk of rare blood clotting is significantly higher as a result of catching Covid-19 than it is from being vaccinated against the virus, a study has found.
Nice and peer reviewed too.
You guys who are fearing the vaccines more than an extremely contagious virus that can literally suffocate you to death in worst case scenarios can continue to believe whatever you want.
Ivermectin Oral: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings & Dosing - WebMD
Find patient medical information for ivermectin oral on WebMD including its uses, side effects and safety, interactions, pictures, warnings and user ratings.
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the blood clotting issue with J and J is extremely minimal… the other one that isn’t allowed in the us has a much higher rate… if i was going to get one of the bioengineered vaccines it actually would be J&J, but there are some other potential long term conditions id like to see explored more before I didCovid — not vaccinations — presents biggest blood clot risk, large study finds
The risk of rare blood clotting is significantly higher as a result of catching Covid-19 than it is from being vaccinated against the virus, a study has found.www.cnbc.com
Nice and peer reviewed too.
You guys who are fearing the vaccines more than an extremely contagious virus that can literally suffocate you to death in worst case scenarios can continue to believe whatever you want.
Also it sounds like the government mandates will account for natural immunity as a vaccine substitute… the latest study out in the last day shows it’s a longer lasting and higher efficiency… doesn’t help me of course cause Ive always tested negative, but for a lot of people they already are immune and the government is beginning to acknowledge it…
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At 200 x the viral load, there are probably kids flinging Covid boogers everywhere.