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The point being, a lot of folks were referencing that as a specific reason for not getting the jab. If that was the concern, that is now alleviated.
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The point being, a lot of folks were referencing that as a specific reason for not getting the jab. If that was the concern, that is now alleviated.
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That wasn't the concern, that was the excuse. It got people off their backs for a bit. Now it will be something else.
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What are you talking about, Tim?
Rhode Island
7 Day Average Cases: 292
Population: 1.062 million
Cases per 100k: 27
Mississippi
7 Day Average Cases: 3,586
Population: 2.966 million
Cases per 100k: 121
Amateur is not having your facts anywhere close to being correct.
I'm too stupid to supply a link to back up my numbers.
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Exactly, Sarge.
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What spin? A bunch of “don’t trust Trump, trust science” from people who ultimately got vaccinated. Democrats trusted science, you refuse to. And again, your argument is incoherent and all over the place. From Democrats being to blame for low vaccination because of blacks and Latinos to Democrats being to blame because before they disagreed with you on being vaccine resistant, they agreed with you? Were they wrong then, or are they wrong now?Like every other time we beat you over the head with facts, I fully expect you to tuck tail, and switch to another argument. Why I bother....
Prior to the election:
Anti-Vaxxers Feed Off Democrats' Skepticism of COVID Vaccine
BY HANNAH OSBORNE ON 10/6/20 AT 6:41 AM EDT
Anti-vaxxers feed off Democrats' skepticism of COVID vaccine
Concerns about vaccines have increased significantly in recent months, with the public scrutiny of the development process potentially behind the rise.www.newsweek.com
Democratic politicians raising concerns about how quickly coronavirus vaccines could be rolled out to the public appear to be bolstering anti-vax groups. By highlighting issues around the vaccine development process, politicians on the left may be inadvertently increasing skepticism among the wider public.
On September 24, New York governor Andrew Cuomo said the state will independently review all vaccines authorized by the federal government. "Frankly, I'm not going to trust the federal government's opinion and I wouldn't recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government's opinion," he said in a statement.
"What we don't trust is a federal government that has been caught red-handed multiple times circumventing the health experts and making political decisions seemingly to boost the president's re-election chances."
At the start of September, Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said she would not trust President Donald Trump's word alone that any vaccine developed is safe and efficient. <---------Anyone can edit a video to make it look the way they want it to /Flogged
A week later, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden made similar remarks during a speech in Delaware, saying, "I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don't trust Donald Trump."
Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public.
"Unless there is confidence that the vaccine has gone through the clinical trials, and then is approved by the independent scientific advisory committee, as established to do just this, there will be doubts that people will have."
According to a survey from the Pew Research Center carried out between September 8 and 13, half of U.S. adults now say they probably or definitely would not get a vaccine to prevent COVID-19, if it were available today. <-------hmmmm, seems like this sentiment was fueled by Democrats in 2020
While vaccine skepticism was still higher among Republicans—as it has been historically—there was a marked increase among Democrats. In May, 50 percent said they would "definitely" get the vaccine. By September, this had fallen to 24 percent.
Prominent voices beyond politicians have also openly said they would not get vaccinated. In an interview with the New York Times on Monday, Elon Musk said neither he nor his family would be inoculated: "I'm not at risk for COVID, nor are my kids," he said.
Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus vaccine, says Trump cannot be trusted
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump's charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout.www.reuters.com
Governor Jay Inslee: "“If all the protocols had been followed and the evidence is in, of course, I’d follow science. It doesn’t matter when it happens,” Inslee told The Associated Press. “But I would have to look at the science, not Donald Trump. There isn’t one single thing I would ever trust from Donald Trump to be true.”" Inslee’s comments are in line with a growing consensus of Democrats in leadership positions, including the party’s presidential nominee, Joe Biden.
Cal Cunningham, the Democratic nominee for Senate in North Carolina, said recently he’d be “hesitant” to take a vaccine authorized before the end of 2020.
Byron York: Democrats would resist vaccine if Trump won
More Republicans than Democrats appear to be “vaccine hesitant.” They’ve gotten the treatment you might expect in some quarters of the news media. “Right-wing anti-vaccine hysteria is increasing. We’ll allwww.joplinglobe.com
Democrats say they need to hear from scientists, not Trump, that vaccine is safe
Congressional Democrats -- citing concerns over the possibility of political interference in the rush to develop a coronavirus vaccine -- say they will look to scientists, not President Donald Trump, to ensure that if one becomes available it is both safe and effective.www.cnn.com
"The person I trust is Dr. Fauci," Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii told CNN. "When people need to rely on the information we are getting from institutions that are supposed to be telling us the truth, and when they have to walk back certain things that they say, that does not help. The person I trust is Dr. Fauci."
Sen. Brian Schatz, another Hawaii Democrat, said that "if Anthony Fauci says it is safe to take, I will take it. If Donald Trump just announces a vaccine, I will want to understand what scientists say."
Some Democrats went as far as to say that FDA approval may not even be enough for them to know a vaccine works.
Asked specifically whether FDA approval was enough to know a vaccine was safe and effective, Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island said, "I would like to say FDA approved and CDC recommended, but given how those two agencies have gotten screwed up by President Trump, there is an asterisk by that. Unfortunately, they aren't the gold standard any longer, so you need to take a slightly closer look."
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York said in a news conference on Tuesday that "the American people have overwhelming doubts" about the Trump administration's ability to facilitate the development and distribution of coronavirus vaccines.
"If the President had any modicum of fidelity to science, no one would have any doubts," Schumer said. "The American people have overwhelming doubts. ... We just want science to govern. No political interference one way or the other."
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Now STFU about links and move on to your next, inept, inane attempt at spin.
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Across America there have been 1 million new Covid cases in the past six days. 100,000(!) pediatric cases in the same time span. That's 10%.
Please put politics & stubborness aside and get vaccinated. If you have kids have them wear a mask regardless what your school district requires.
Time to stop the madness and step up to protect children.
Please put politics & stubborness aside and get vaccinated. If you have kids have them wear a mask regardless what your school district requires.
Time to stop the madness and step up to protect children.
You're seriously retarded. I've never seen someone so eager to debate who continually puts his foot in his mouth over and over and over.
From your Washington Compost. This morning.
Total Reported Cases per 100K:
#1 - Rhode Island - 15,135
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They did not trust science last year. They politicized it. You don't read well.
I'm not making an argument you stupid ****. You sat here like a downs muppet demanding links to prove Democrats were fanning the anti-vax rhetoric last year.
You got them. A page full of them.
No one here blamed Democrats for minorities not getting vaccinated you chromosome-challenged soy boy. We pointed out those demographics were leading the under-vaccinated in this country to rebut your vile Komrade's stupid attempts to blame Conservatives for...everything.
OK, I'm taking inputs from any/all members who can translate Floggy's statement above? Clearly he's mixing adderall with his soy this morning.
Top guess/translation wins an all-inclusive date with Ogre in a swamp of your choosing in Florida.
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NY's got the right idea. This should be implemented nationwide.
www.pbs.org
New York City mandates vaccinations for public school teachers and staff
All New York City public school teachers and other staffers will have to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, officials said Monday, ramping up pandemic protections as the nation's largest school system prepares for classes to start next month.
www.pbs.org
No. Wrong. Again. As...always.
People were resistant because....
- The vaccines weren't properly tested
- They didn't go through the typical trial phases
- They are developed on mRNA, never before used in mankind en masse
The FDA approval changes nothing.
Gimme Novavax.
NY's got the right idea. This should be implemented nationwide.
New York City mandates vaccinations for public school teachers and staff
All New York City public school teachers and other staffers will have to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, officials said Monday, ramping up pandemic protections as the nation's largest school system prepares for classes to start next month.
ZERO surprise. You're a communist nazi, so.
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Seriously retarded is not realizing that is ALL-TIME CASES most of which were prior to the vast majority of vaccinations and therefore have NO RELEVANCE to the efficacy.
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End the thread now, this sums everything up perfectly.
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Tim you need to set The Mayo Clinic straight..
COVID-19 vaccine myths debunked
You've likely heard about the new COVID-19 vaccines, but what should you believe? We'll set the record straight on some of the circulating myths.
Explain OREGON's hospitalization rates.
Explain these hospitalization rates (leading the nation)
Efficacy lol
And nowhere did I say you can't trust the FDA.
The process was subverted. The vaccines are still mRNA. The trials worked around. The FDA likely pressured.
Reading comprehension Tiblio.
Tim you need to set The Mayo Clinic straight..
COVID-19 vaccine myths debunked
You've likely heard about the new COVID-19 vaccines, but what should you believe? We'll set the record straight on some of the circulating myths.www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org
They Mayo Clinic article, myth #1, says the following:
"The emergency situation warranted an emergency response but that does not mean that companies bypassed safety protocols or didn't perform adequate testing...
To receive emergency use authorization, the biopharmaceutical manufacturer must have followed at least half of the study participants for at least two months after completing the vaccination series, and the vaccine must be proven safe and effective in that population. In addition to the safety review by the FDA, the Advisory Committee on Immunization has convened a panel of vaccine safety experts to independently evaluate the safety data from the clinical trial. Mayo Clinic vaccine experts also will review the available data. The safety of COVID-19 vaccine will continue to be closely monitored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the FDA."
As Mad has so eloquently shown, the TRADITIONAL processes were not followed.
This Mayo clinic article says "We believe the vaccines are safe" but they do not dispel that the processes were changed, alterned, and not followed using the same standards other drug introduction processes were forced to adhere to.
SMDH.
The article also says: "Also, while the vaccine may prevent you from getting sick, it is unknown at this time if you can still carry and transmit the virus to others."
Ummmm, we know that you can carry and transmit the virus to others if you are vaccinated. The CDC and countless others have stated as such. But that's what you get when you offer up an article from early DECEMBER 2020.
And this ******* gem discusses dispelling the notion of microchipping...good Lord.
Do you read the **** you now attempt to post before you post it?
Brilliant find LOL.
This probably deserves it's own thread. This morning I decided that my old Ford Powerstroke needed an oil change. It takes 14 quarts, and for the past 24 years, I've always put Shell's Rotella T4 15-40 in it. Went to 4 different stores and their shelves were empty. WTF!
I’d say the future looks pretty bright for Republicans now that the nation can see what a clusterfuck the Dims turn the country into when they run the whole show.
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Oregon is middle of the road in vaccinations, how many of the hospitalized are fully vaccinated?
While I consider myself a fiscal conservative, I'm not sure that either side should run the whole show.
But, yes, the Dims are proving they run quite a **** show, and will likely cause them to lose seats. That's my hope at least.
Exactly this. Minus a few, Republicans have also left us out to dry. They're all part of the same machine, one side is just much more evil and imposes it's will on the other more efficiently. As much as we need election integrity, we need term limits on these ******** and consequences if they're not doing the will of the people, much like anything else.
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It’s the Mayo Clinic, Tim. They’ve been around for 130 years and employ 63,000 people. Do you really think they don’t know what they’re talking about, and you do?
Again, I can’t imagine the maddening reality you must endure.
While I frequent many sites, I typically rarely post anything these days outside of here and a handful of other sites… especially politically… but today i put out a very neutral post on several sites and Facebook about maybe making the second gen vaccines available and got a very interesting response
first of all like 90% of vaccine hesitant people supported it
secondly the most negative responses came from my very liberal left and a lot of extremely religious right people… but not the logical or reasonable ones… its the zealots… its absolutely weird… its almost a name brand fight…
the guidelines for approval state that the treatment has to undergo
1-10 years of phase 1 clinical trials
2-4 of phase 2 clinical trials
Then 2-4 years of phase 3 large scale clinical trials
methodologies based on older science tend to be shorter unless complications arise
Newer ones require longer testing to predict long term complications
there are some exceptions for lightly modified techniques and medicine… like adapting a pre existing vaccine to a different strain of the same virus as well….
there is no way the fda should be glossing over their own published criteria for this
this is why less than a quarter of the country trusts the cdc and fda
Countries like Israel are way more successful just publishing actual numbers and not trying to spin everything to fit what they want it to be… people can look and make a logical choice there… and more people chose to be vaccinated because of that…
here it always seems like we are hiding something
first of all like 90% of vaccine hesitant people supported it
secondly the most negative responses came from my very liberal left and a lot of extremely religious right people… but not the logical or reasonable ones… its the zealots… its absolutely weird… its almost a name brand fight…
big propaganda is conflating FDA approval with going through the actual battery of testing to get fda approval
the guidelines for approval state that the treatment has to undergo
1-10 years of phase 1 clinical trials
2-4 of phase 2 clinical trials
Then 2-4 years of phase 3 large scale clinical trials
methodologies based on older science tend to be shorter unless complications arise
Newer ones require longer testing to predict long term complications
there are some exceptions for lightly modified techniques and medicine… like adapting a pre existing vaccine to a different strain of the same virus as well….
there is no way the fda should be glossing over their own published criteria for this
this is why less than a quarter of the country trusts the cdc and fda
Countries like Israel are way more successful just publishing actual numbers and not trying to spin everything to fit what they want it to be… people can look and make a logical choice there… and more people chose to be vaccinated because of that…
here it always seems like we are hiding something