No one is recommending anyone get constant testing. **** this new normal you adore and love.
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No one is recommending anyone get constant testing. **** this new normal you adore and love.
They've already been established. While at times I strive to educated you, it never works, so I'll leave it to you to compute.
You do attempt to be a spin doctor. As typical, you fall flat on your face.
Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance
The example used doesn't suggest a thing. The RESULTS as written tell the story.
They disagreed with the OVERALL (100% of it) pandemic guidance.
Spin Floggy spin.
Yeah, even the Washington Compost debunked this ****. Tibs, once again, spreading misinformation.
https://webcache.googleusercontent....eaths-covid-deaths/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Second, the graph you are using talks only about combat deaths. Which is bullshit, people die from war beyond immediate combat.
The total death toll for all of our wars is 1.355 Million. 655K alone died in the Civil War.
Joe was wrong. You're wrong. Stop spreading misinformation.
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That one in 107 is over the course of a lifetime. Obviously. Covid has been around 18 months.
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You still haven't watched or acknowledged the video posting telling flat out those numbers are inflated and don't account for causality. You also ignore your own facts by blaming the US for its death rate while lamenting worldwide deaths. Truly you are a contradiction. Despite these numbers sounding terrible they are a reality we can't stop. We should be focusing on getting restitution from the party responsible but we are to busy using this to implement government control. World War 2 took the lives of the young and healthy Covid takes the lives of the weak and the old both were tragic and both were the result of a rogue Government doing nefarious things. While it is heartbreaking to lose someone it still doesn't change the overall lifespan of most by more than a few days statistically speaking and even for the old it changes the presumed lifespan by only 87 days. This might sound callous as hell but it isn't the calamity you make it out to be but it was an attack intentional or not.
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and it's numbers will go down radically after all cases are accounted for.
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You guys argue just to argue. Who the **** cares if it's 621,000 or 500,000 or 400,000 EXACTLY. Again, you just like to argue, dig your heels in and act like fools.
The fact you keep arguing over the same minute issues that really, in the scheme of things, don't matter is crazy. Our death rate per capita in 2020 was the highest since 1943. You can't deny that. It increased by 20% overall from 2019. Even with minor increases (which was happening anyway) it was only like 3-4% increase or variations per year.
20% increase!!! Jesus and you think that's just a normal blip on the radar? Again, you're all in denial and stubboirness.
The fact is, again, and this CAN NOT be disputed, getting the vaccine decreases your chance of being hospitalized by Covid by almost 100 times less likely. Getting the vaccine decreases your chance of DYING from Covid by over 1000 times less likely. Those are rough numbers. If you want to argue it's 90 times less likely or 110 less likely, I'm not going down that stupid fool argument. You don't believe any numbers anyway.
I could care less how many positive cases there are. I'm not even sure how that could possibly be tracked effectively since not everyone that gets sick or has very mild symptoms is going to get tested.
I do care, as should everyone here, about hospitalizations and deaths, which again are going up because people refuse to get vaccinated. Of course, you guys wear so many tin hats you don't even believe simple statistics like deaths and hospitalizations without claiming there is some massive conspiracy going on.
You want to talk about why I think you're all crazy loons? That's why. You don't even want to believe the numbers. So you only believe the numbers (however more far flung and from weirder and weirder spots on the internet) that support what you believe to start with. THAT IS THE DEFINITION of a conspiracy loon. You all ACT exactly like that so just fess up and admit it. You're all crazy.
The fact you keep arguing over the same minute issues that really, in the scheme of things, don't matter is crazy. Our death rate per capita in 2020 was the highest since 1943. You can't deny that. It increased by 20% overall from 2019. Even with minor increases (which was happening anyway) it was only like 3-4% increase or variations per year.
20% increase!!! Jesus and you think that's just a normal blip on the radar? Again, you're all in denial and stubboirness.
The fact is, again, and this CAN NOT be disputed, getting the vaccine decreases your chance of being hospitalized by Covid by almost 100 times less likely. Getting the vaccine decreases your chance of DYING from Covid by over 1000 times less likely. Those are rough numbers. If you want to argue it's 90 times less likely or 110 less likely, I'm not going down that stupid fool argument. You don't believe any numbers anyway.
I could care less how many positive cases there are. I'm not even sure how that could possibly be tracked effectively since not everyone that gets sick or has very mild symptoms is going to get tested.
I do care, as should everyone here, about hospitalizations and deaths, which again are going up because people refuse to get vaccinated. Of course, you guys wear so many tin hats you don't even believe simple statistics like deaths and hospitalizations without claiming there is some massive conspiracy going on.
You want to talk about why I think you're all crazy loons? That's why. You don't even want to believe the numbers. So you only believe the numbers (however more far flung and from weirder and weirder spots on the internet) that support what you believe to start with. THAT IS THE DEFINITION of a conspiracy loon. You all ACT exactly like that so just fess up and admit it. You're all crazy.
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Very well stated, del. 
The amount of splitting hairs by the handful of folks on here, who've been bending over backwards to make some bizarre, strawman argument is breathtaking. Just goes on forever, page after page.
I keep wondering, what's the end game here? Why is it so difficult to get people on board, that the enemy is the pandemic & the virus itself, not those of us who are eager to prevent it from spreading, or causing even more senseless deaths. The backlash and uproar is truly difficult to stomach or understand.
How can a pandemic become a petty, partisan, political issue? Read this board and you'll find out. Truly sad and pathetic.
The amount of splitting hairs by the handful of folks on here, who've been bending over backwards to make some bizarre, strawman argument is breathtaking. Just goes on forever, page after page.
I keep wondering, what's the end game here? Why is it so difficult to get people on board, that the enemy is the pandemic & the virus itself, not those of us who are eager to prevent it from spreading, or causing even more senseless deaths. The backlash and uproar is truly difficult to stomach or understand.
How can a pandemic become a petty, partisan, political issue? Read this board and you'll find out. Truly sad and pathetic.
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As surveyed, did the medical community agree with the CDC lifting the mask mandate? YES or NO? Do you agree with mask mandates? YES or NO? You’re obviously on the opposite end of the spectrum.
You’re trying too hard, Tim. Flailing now.
This is not the bubonic plague, no matter how much you yell in caps.
These vaccines are not FDA approved, and I will not be getting one.
I'll be getting a vaccine that is traditionally developed when it appears. That's my right. Not your demand to make.
We are discussing the article. You had your *** beaten 3 times about the article. Now you switch gears.
No thanks. THAT is flailing.
Our medical community has little faith in the CDC and the FDA. Fact. Public confidence in these agencies is at an all time low. No surprise YOU are their biggest cheerleader, standing now in the face of those in the field treating patients who say the CDC and its policies OVERALL have been wrong.
Uhh, the two are the exact opposite of each other. An individual can decide to kill himself; I presume you agree that a business or event organizer should not have the wherewithal to see the person killed.
My making a decision is freedom. Others making the decision for me is the opposite of freedom.
Again, those in charge cannot cite a single bit of research - literally, not a single article or study - supporting forcing kids to wear masks.
Yeah, I get it, but history has shown that prior vaccine mandates for newer vaccines - including smallpox and polio vaccines - had substantial serious consequences. The original smallpox vaccine was a less virulent strain that most recovered from, but as expected, hundreds did not react with mild symptoms and died. The original polio vaccine was a "live culture" that paralyzed hundreds.
The benefits greatly outweighed the costs for both given the horrible fatality rate of smallpox and the devastating loss of function and death from polio. However, nobody suggested giving the vaccines to those who had already recovered from the less-virulent version of smallpox or who had already suffered through polio.
So why is government demanding that those who had the Chinese flu and recovered and have natural antibodies get the vaccine?
Wrong and wrong. 100% opposite of what I have said for more than a year. The vaccines have side effects, as is true for every medication ever administered. So why in the world would we give it to a population that has a 99.96% survival rate (minors) or those who have natural immunity? Please explain - because nobody in the government has been able to do so.
Wow, the fact you are still willing to give up some of your valuable time trying to teach us rubes says all we need to know.
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I was referring to schools, but yes, these private sector requirements are largely unprecedented.
I do not really have an issue with them as long as the decision is left to the business itself.
The NYC mandate is wrong, IMO, but I think it is functionally more like a guideline, as I do not believe they can legally enforce it on businesses that don't comply.
You would be wrong. Its already been stated that businesses that don't comply will have their business license revoked. It had already happened throughout the pandemic. Gym owners have been arrested, restaurants have been fined and closed. Meanwhile, politicians patronize restaurants they like maskless with no fine or closing. Tyranny.
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Refusing someone access to a restaurant or concert is akin to killing them? I know steak dinners and live music can be pretty awesome, but come on, now.
When places like grocery stores, hardware stores and pharmacies start doing things like that, you'll have point, but I don't see it going that far.
How can anyone determine the duration or overall viability of natural immunity when it comes to a novel virus that evolves as rapidly as Covid-19? Are there any hard numbers to back it up, especially against the Delta variant?
At least with the vaccines we have verifiable data to go with.
I think you are being naive. That is indeed coming. Just wait.
Numerous studies have been released. One recently showed that with the prior Sars outbreak humans still had natural antibodies 12 years later. All current studies have gone like this...after 3 months, antibodies existed; after 8 months, antibodies existed; after 11 months, antibodies existed. So far, there hasn't been one study I've seen that shows natural antibodies waned.
And keep in mind, more importantly, is the Tcell Bcell memory the body develops.
So far, all data shows, natural immunity is very powerful indeed. Many argue more so than the vaccines, which after months, need boosters.
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That's definitely ****** up, but that's NYC for you.
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Its not just NYC. A gym owner in NJ was arrested months ago for refusing to close his business. A gym owner in RI was arrested for not agreeing to closed his business to willing customers. Several restaurants in RI were fined and closed for not following the mask mandates imposed by the Governor, who BTW can not make law. Not that they weren't trying, they just weren't trying hard enough to satisfy the powers that be. In the meantime, not one Home Depot, Target, or Walmart were fined or closed......
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Abrien Aguirre is a board certified occupational therapist who recently went public with his knowledge of working in 3 COVID units in Hawaii, two of them “isolation units.” He states that he works in the largest skilled nursing facility in Oahu, working with the geriatric population.
He was interviewed by a group known as “Hawaii Free Speech News.”
His testimony was recorded at a recent outdoor protest held at the Hawaii State Capitol in Honolulu.
He starts out his testimony by saying that the media is misrepresenting what is happening with hospitalized COVID patients. He states:
They rolled out the Moderna mRNA experimental injections at his facility, and he says:
His last advice in the interview:
Mr. Aguirre has nothing to gain, and much to lose by going public, putting his career and possibly even his life on the line to go public with this damning information.
Since politicians are complicit with these murders and crimes, it is unlikely that they will do anything about it.
But by exposing their crimes, especially those who claim they are “just doing their jobs,” we can ensure that they will most certainly be held accountable for these murders and crimes against humanity.
There is no place in Hell too hot for where most of these people are going to end up.
Board Certified Occupational Therapist Whistleblower: More Patients are Dying from the Vaccine than from COVID
Abrien Aguirre is a board certified occupational therapist who recently went public with his knowledge of working in 3 COVID units in Hawaii, two of them "isolation units." He states that he works in the largest skilled nursing facility in Oahu, working with the geriatric population. He was...
healthimpactnews.com
Abrien Aguirre is a board certified occupational therapist who recently went public with his knowledge of working in 3 COVID units in Hawaii, two of them “isolation units.” He states that he works in the largest skilled nursing facility in Oahu, working with the geriatric population.
He was interviewed by a group known as “Hawaii Free Speech News.”
His testimony was recorded at a recent outdoor protest held at the Hawaii State Capitol in Honolulu.
He starts out his testimony by saying that the media is misrepresenting what is happening with hospitalized COVID patients. He states:
He explains how people with terminal illnesses were put on the COVID death lists, which he says is “complete fraud.”
They rolled out the Moderna mRNA experimental injections at his facility, and he says:
He explains that he worked as a “Director of Rehab” in one skilled nursing facility for 5 months, and he saw where the billing department would have his therapist change medical diagnosis codes from things like pulmonary disorder to COVID because of higher reimbursements. And this even happened with cases that were not only asymptomatic, but sometimes they did not even have a positive PCR test result for COVID.
Mr. Aguirre states that he has reached out to politicians to expose this fraud, including the Governor of Hawaii, and their response is silence. Not one of them has responded.
His last advice in the interview:
This testimony by Abrien Aguirre is one of the most damning interviews I have ever seen. Everyone should send a copy of this video to their “elected” officials, because the U.S. medical system has now become thoroughly corrupt.
Mr. Aguirre has nothing to gain, and much to lose by going public, putting his career and possibly even his life on the line to go public with this damning information.
Since politicians are complicit with these murders and crimes, it is unlikely that they will do anything about it.
But by exposing their crimes, especially those who claim they are “just doing their jobs,” we can ensure that they will most certainly be held accountable for these murders and crimes against humanity.
There is no place in Hell too hot for where most of these people are going to end up.
We have posted numerous dozens of articles. Feel free to scroll back.
This guy wears a tin foil hat.
Board Certified Occupational Therapist Whistleblower: More Patients are Dying from the Vaccine than from COVID
Abrien Aguirre is a board certified occupational therapist who recently went public with his knowledge of working in 3 COVID units in Hawaii, two of them "isolation units." He states that he works in the largest skilled nursing facility in Oahu, working with the geriatric population. He was...
Abrien Aguirre is a board certified occupational therapist who recently went public with his knowledge of working in 3 COVID units in Hawaii, two of them “isolation units.” He states that he works in the largest skilled nursing facility in Oahu, working with the geriatric population.
He was interviewed by a group known as “Hawaii Free Speech News.”
His testimony was recorded at a recent outdoor protest held at the Hawaii State Capitol in Honolulu.
He starts out his testimony by saying that the media is misrepresenting what is happening with hospitalized COVID patients. He states:
He explains how people with terminal illnesses were put on the COVID death lists, which he says is “complete fraud.”
They rolled out the Moderna mRNA experimental injections at his facility, and he says:
He explains that he worked as a “Director of Rehab” in one skilled nursing facility for 5 months, and he saw where the billing department would have his therapist change medical diagnosis codes from things like pulmonary disorder to COVID because of higher reimbursements. And this even happened with cases that were not only asymptomatic, but sometimes they did not even have a positive PCR test result for COVID.
Mr. Aguirre states that he has reached out to politicians to expose this fraud, including the Governor of Hawaii, and their response is silence. Not one of them has responded.
His last advice in the interview:
This testimony by Abrien Aguirre is one of the most damning interviews I have ever seen. Everyone should send a copy of this video to their “elected” officials, because the U.S. medical system has now become thoroughly corrupt.
Mr. Aguirre has nothing to gain, and much to lose by going public, putting his career and possibly even his life on the line to go public with this damning information.
Since politicians are complicit with these murders and crimes, it is unlikely that they will do anything about it.
But by exposing their crimes, especially those who claim they are “just doing their jobs,” we can ensure that they will most certainly be held accountable for these murders and crimes against humanity.
There is no place in Hell too hot for where most of these people are going to end up.
As much as I am against the vaccine I am skeptical on this number. But that’s my whole thing. We just are not getting the facts, and when the govt, and health officials, and databases are not reporting such things it ……ahhh. Just ahhh
Just checking, do we have a consensus yet?
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