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It's the Hungarian communist version.
Covid Vaccine
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It's the Hungarian communist version.
It's a strain that comes in uninvited at the weirdest hours of the night, trolls your cells and doesn't think it owes you anything (monetarily or factually).
It really is a nasty virus. It's the Tiborvirus.
Hoo-boy, THAT'S gonna leave a mark. Ho-lee ****, your banter is B-R-U-T-A-L. I cannot foresee any individual withstanding your crushing bon mots, the verbal equivalent of a flamethrower paired with a .50 caliber machine gun. Unreal. I'm going to ask Supe if he needs emotional support after that vicious throwdown.
And hey, nice that you found time to help with a Chinese flu vaccine PSA.
Still waiting for Floggy, Tibilo and the Dumbos to utter a single word critical of China's role in creating the virus, leaking the virus, lying about the virus and killing millions.
Here's a nice summary of Covid insanity.
Medical insanity described by an MD
By Matt Bettag, MD
SOURCE — AMERICAN THINKER
When did the world become insane? What is the reason for it? Big Brother? Depopulation? Or people in love with control? I don’t know and it’s driving me nuts. But I’ve decided I’m tired of complaining about it to my friends and family and I’m willing to put my name on the line. If the woke culture wants to ruin me for speaking the truth, I guess I might as well just get it over with now.
I have been a physician for 24 years, a practicing ENT for 19 years. I have never before seen the medical establishment just stop thinking. Insanity is the new rule, and common sense cannot even be discussed.
From the beginning, 15 days to flatten the curve, I was shocked. We had never done this before, but perhaps this virus was really bad, so I gave the government the benefit of the doubt.
Then came Fauci. He initially said social distancing didn’t work, and masks were largely ineffective. But by late March, he pronounced both masking and social distancing necessary. Weird…red flag. But what really hit me was that he went on to say people should use Tinder and Grindr at their own discretion. What? How do you socially distance that?
So now I am alarmed.
I started researching the utility of masks. There were very good articles I found — one out of a respiratory center in Chicago, and another a good dental review. I bookmarked both of them. Less than a month later, the dental website was down, replaced by a text saying basically that their information is now irrelevant because of COVID. The Chicago article also had a disclaimer that previously wasn’t there saying people shouldn’t use their article politically. What? Don’t use a scientifically-derived article to make a scientifically based decision on the utility of masks?
What the hell is going on?
Next comes PCR. Let’s conveniently jack up the cycles to 40+, resulting in a 90–97% false-positive rate, then let’s start testing all elective surgery, asymptomatic exposures, and hospitalized patients. In addition, we will reimburse hospitals greatly for COVID admissions and ICU visits. Oxygen doesn’t work; go home until you get worse. Oh, and bring your family and friends with you; they’ll need testing.
Steroids were advised against early on, which makes no sense because they do decrease inflammation and in ENT have been used widely for viral illness. Next, we find a few weeks later the secret drug to treat COVID: steroids.
HCQ, not safe. Has been used for decades worldwide with a great safety profile, but not anymore, because orange man bad. Mention it, and you are a lunatic. The same went for any other proven therapeutic, such as ivermectin and vitamin D.
Vaccines? I wouldn’t trust anything the president made. That was Kamala Harris back in the fall. Now if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t care about other people, and you wanna watch people die. Oh, and by the way, we should vaccinate everyone, including those who previously had COVID, pregnant women, and small children.
What about VAERS? That’s the open record report system that the CDC has made almost unnavigable. It’s slowly crept up and showed up to 12,000 deaths coincident with the vaccine. Then dropped to 6,000, only to come back up to 10,000 and now back to 12,000. Just a little glitch from our trustworthy government. There are reports that the numbers could be ten times or more as high, and perhaps the CDC is misclassifying deaths to hide them. But let’s trust the government; they’ve been so good thus far.
Now the latest, the delta variant, is surging because of the unvaccinated. Ignore the data from other countries that have very high vaccine rates but high spiking cases, and ignore the data from other countries that have low vaccine rates and almost no COVID. As a matter of fact, let’s not even look at Sweden, which essentially didn’t do lockdowns or masking, has a low vaccination rate, and has almost zero COVID.
I have never lived in a world like this, where open medical dialogue is completely suppressed and there is only one party line. I thought the left was always talking about how we shouldn’t bully people, and we need to have dialogue.
The media and the government need to do their job and start opening dialogue to the other side. If we are crazy, it will come out. If we are right, and the data show that to be the fact, then a large apology is warranted.
Medical insanity described by an MD
By Matt Bettag, MD
SOURCE — AMERICAN THINKER
When did the world become insane? What is the reason for it? Big Brother? Depopulation? Or people in love with control? I don’t know and it’s driving me nuts. But I’ve decided I’m tired of complaining about it to my friends and family and I’m willing to put my name on the line. If the woke culture wants to ruin me for speaking the truth, I guess I might as well just get it over with now.
I have been a physician for 24 years, a practicing ENT for 19 years. I have never before seen the medical establishment just stop thinking. Insanity is the new rule, and common sense cannot even be discussed.
From the beginning, 15 days to flatten the curve, I was shocked. We had never done this before, but perhaps this virus was really bad, so I gave the government the benefit of the doubt.
Then came Fauci. He initially said social distancing didn’t work, and masks were largely ineffective. But by late March, he pronounced both masking and social distancing necessary. Weird…red flag. But what really hit me was that he went on to say people should use Tinder and Grindr at their own discretion. What? How do you socially distance that?
So now I am alarmed.
I started researching the utility of masks. There were very good articles I found — one out of a respiratory center in Chicago, and another a good dental review. I bookmarked both of them. Less than a month later, the dental website was down, replaced by a text saying basically that their information is now irrelevant because of COVID. The Chicago article also had a disclaimer that previously wasn’t there saying people shouldn’t use their article politically. What? Don’t use a scientifically-derived article to make a scientifically based decision on the utility of masks?
What the hell is going on?
Next comes PCR. Let’s conveniently jack up the cycles to 40+, resulting in a 90–97% false-positive rate, then let’s start testing all elective surgery, asymptomatic exposures, and hospitalized patients. In addition, we will reimburse hospitals greatly for COVID admissions and ICU visits. Oxygen doesn’t work; go home until you get worse. Oh, and bring your family and friends with you; they’ll need testing.
Steroids were advised against early on, which makes no sense because they do decrease inflammation and in ENT have been used widely for viral illness. Next, we find a few weeks later the secret drug to treat COVID: steroids.
HCQ, not safe. Has been used for decades worldwide with a great safety profile, but not anymore, because orange man bad. Mention it, and you are a lunatic. The same went for any other proven therapeutic, such as ivermectin and vitamin D.
Vaccines? I wouldn’t trust anything the president made. That was Kamala Harris back in the fall. Now if you don’t get vaccinated, you don’t care about other people, and you wanna watch people die. Oh, and by the way, we should vaccinate everyone, including those who previously had COVID, pregnant women, and small children.
What about VAERS? That’s the open record report system that the CDC has made almost unnavigable. It’s slowly crept up and showed up to 12,000 deaths coincident with the vaccine. Then dropped to 6,000, only to come back up to 10,000 and now back to 12,000. Just a little glitch from our trustworthy government. There are reports that the numbers could be ten times or more as high, and perhaps the CDC is misclassifying deaths to hide them. But let’s trust the government; they’ve been so good thus far.
Now the latest, the delta variant, is surging because of the unvaccinated. Ignore the data from other countries that have very high vaccine rates but high spiking cases, and ignore the data from other countries that have low vaccine rates and almost no COVID. As a matter of fact, let’s not even look at Sweden, which essentially didn’t do lockdowns or masking, has a low vaccination rate, and has almost zero COVID.
I have never lived in a world like this, where open medical dialogue is completely suppressed and there is only one party line. I thought the left was always talking about how we shouldn’t bully people, and we need to have dialogue.
The media and the government need to do their job and start opening dialogue to the other side. If we are crazy, it will come out. If we are right, and the data show that to be the fact, then a large apology is warranted.
I saw it on tv
MTG with the truth bomb:
| August 10, 2021 10:09 AM
There they go again.
Twitter’s correctness police tossed Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene off the platform, again, this time for a full week.
It came in response to a tweet in which the sometimes controversial Republican questioned the effectiveness of coronavirus vaccines after reports that some who have received the shots have still become sick.
“There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks,” she wrote yesterday.
Marjorie Taylor Greene
@mtgreenee
The FDA should not approve the covid vaccines. There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks. Vaccine mandates & passports violate individual freedoms.
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee
The FDA should not approve the covid vaccines. There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks. Vaccine mandates & passports violate individual freedoms.
That put Twitter in a huff, and the censors slapped a “Misleading” tag on it.
Greene told us that her suspension is for seven days.
We asked for her reaction, and she went off on what she described as the hypocrisy of Twitter, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Dr. Anthony Fauci. She said:
I have vaccinated family that are sick with COVID.
Studies are showing vaxxed people are still getting COVID and spreading COVID.
I’ve talked to people with scary side effects like myocarditis, blood clots, and miscarriages. And nearly 7,000 deaths are reported in VAERS on the CDC website. In my opinion, the FDA should not approve those vaccines until more research is done.
But Twitter suspended me for speaking the truth and tweeting what so many people are saying.
Why does Dr. Fauci only harshly criticize bikers at Sturgis riding in open air with no masks but is silent on Obama’s ‘sophisticated’ birthday party super-spreader event for Hollywood and Democrat elites? Why is it right and moral to allow tens of thousands of COVID positive ‘migrants’ into our country and ship them all over to every state in the taxpayer’s dime yet force our children to mask up for school?
But if MTG dare says the truth, Twitter suspends me because the truth is so offensive to the fragile hypocrites all over Twitter! I refuse to be silent about these important life-changing issues and the communist Chinese bioweapon COVID-19. After all, I’m an elected representative from GA14. I’m elected to represent the voice of my district.
Clearly, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t care about these people, and clearly ,Twitter only cares about the left’s radical narrative. They will allow porn on Twitter. They will allow posts about parents transitioning their children and changing their gender on Twitter. But Twitter won’t allow any real discussion of the truth from an elected congresswoman because Twitter only cares about the Democrats communist agenda for America.
Good thing my voters could care less about Twitter.
MTG: Twitter can't handle the 'truth' of COVID vaccine illnesses
by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist || August 10, 2021 10:09 AM
There they go again.
Twitter’s correctness police tossed Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene off the platform, again, this time for a full week.
It came in response to a tweet in which the sometimes controversial Republican questioned the effectiveness of coronavirus vaccines after reports that some who have received the shots have still become sick.
“There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks,” she wrote yesterday.
Marjorie Taylor Greene
@mtgreenee
The FDA should not approve the covid vaccines. There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks. Vaccine mandates & passports violate individual freedoms.
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee
The FDA should not approve the covid vaccines. There are too many reports of infection & spread of #COVID19 among vaccinated people. These vaccines are failing & do not reduce the spread of the virus & neither do masks. Vaccine mandates & passports violate individual freedoms.
That put Twitter in a huff, and the censors slapped a “Misleading” tag on it.
Greene told us that her suspension is for seven days.
We asked for her reaction, and she went off on what she described as the hypocrisy of Twitter, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Dr. Anthony Fauci. She said:
I have vaccinated family that are sick with COVID.
Studies are showing vaxxed people are still getting COVID and spreading COVID.
I’ve talked to people with scary side effects like myocarditis, blood clots, and miscarriages. And nearly 7,000 deaths are reported in VAERS on the CDC website. In my opinion, the FDA should not approve those vaccines until more research is done.
But Twitter suspended me for speaking the truth and tweeting what so many people are saying.
Why does Dr. Fauci only harshly criticize bikers at Sturgis riding in open air with no masks but is silent on Obama’s ‘sophisticated’ birthday party super-spreader event for Hollywood and Democrat elites? Why is it right and moral to allow tens of thousands of COVID positive ‘migrants’ into our country and ship them all over to every state in the taxpayer’s dime yet force our children to mask up for school?
But if MTG dare says the truth, Twitter suspends me because the truth is so offensive to the fragile hypocrites all over Twitter! I refuse to be silent about these important life-changing issues and the communist Chinese bioweapon COVID-19. After all, I’m an elected representative from GA14. I’m elected to represent the voice of my district.
Clearly, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t care about these people, and clearly ,Twitter only cares about the left’s radical narrative. They will allow porn on Twitter. They will allow posts about parents transitioning their children and changing their gender on Twitter. But Twitter won’t allow any real discussion of the truth from an elected congresswoman because Twitter only cares about the Democrats communist agenda for America.
Good thing my voters could care less about Twitter.
How many children 18 and under has COVID killed?
Dr. Bettag....it's MATH...we've been told.
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400 hundred times more than the vaccine.
349 total attributed to Chinese flu.
COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista
Between the beginning of January 2020 and August 4, 2021, of 606,389 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 179,114 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
www.statista.com
How many died "from" the Chinese flu compared to those who died "with" the Chinese flu? Nobody knows.
linky linky?
Wow, speaking about being *** wrong....holy **** Floggy.
Do you realize that 10 * 400 is 4,000?
Do you realize 5 * 400 is 2,000?
As Steeltime showed above, as I have pointed out 3,427 times...349 kids died from COVID, and I "believe" it is still commonly accepted that 100% of those had comorbidities.
PROVEABLE: 349 deaths
FLOGGY: Thousands of teens have died from COVID
What a colossal dumbass.
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This is from the VAERS database that Badcat shared back in mid july
| 16 | 16 | F | The day after vaccination, father states that child returned from track practice feeling tired. She went to lay down and he found her face down on her bed, unresponsive and cyanotic. | ||
| 16 | 16 | F | Patient was a 16yr female who received Pfizer vaccine 3/19/21 at vaccine clinic and presented with ongoing CPR to the ED 3/28/21 after cardiac arrest at home. Patient placed on ECMO and imaging revealed bilateral large pulmonary embolism as likely etiology of arrest. Risk factors included oral contraceptive use. Labs have since confirmed absence of Factor V leiden or prothrombin gene mutation. Patient declared dead by neurologic criteria 3/30/21. | ||
| 16 | 16 | M | Prodrome of headache and gastric upset over 2 days following second dose. Then felt fine. Found the following day dead in bed. Autopsy pending | ||
| 16 | 16 | F | ~4 weeks after the 2nd dose of Pfizer, patient presented to the hospital with chest pain; had pericardial effusion. Initially improved but then had decompensation, prolonged hospitalization. Diagnosed with hemophagocytic lymphohistocytosis (HLH) and ultimately died. | ||
| 17 | 17 | F | Patient reported difficulty breathing and chest pain; suffered cardiac arrest and death |
I've pulled the data from VAERS since a couple of times. The number of teens that died within 3 days of getting the jab is larger now. But I don't come share them here every day because you deniers all do be say every time anyone posts them - "none of them are proven" so I don't try.
Ya'll deny facts provided to you from real scientists, you're gonna use your ideology to dismiss the VAERS data. To which I say, yeah. How many of you know a 16 year old that dropped dead of a heart attack? I don't. I don't know anyone who does. Anywhere.
From Dr. Bettag previously:
Keep saying it's been one kid. Yer but a fool.
no one care bout no yt kid
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Sudden cardiac arrest is rare. It's rare in unvaccinated young people. It's rare in vaccinated young people.
Sudden Cardiac Arrest in Young People
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 2,000 young, seemingly healthy people under age 25 in the United States die each year of sudden cardiac arrest. These deaths leave behind a huge and devastating impact on families and communities. But there are ways to help...
www.healthychildren.org
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 2,000 young, seemingly healthy people under age 25 in the United States die each year of sudden cardiac arrest.
Blood clots are rare in unvaccinated young people. They are rare in vaccinated young people. Birth control pills increase the risk of getting them by three to four times.
Blood Clots Affect Many People
- VTE affects as many as 900,000 Americans each year.
- 3 in 10 people who have a blood clot will have another episode within 10 years.
- As many as 100,000 people die of blood clots each year.
- PE is a leading cause of death in a woman during pregnancy or just after having a baby.
- Sudden death – 1 of 4 people who have
a PE die without warning. - Blood clots are a leading cause of death in people with cancer after the cancer itself.
Why Girls Are Dying from The Pill — And Whether You Need to Be Worried
It depends.
according to the National Blood Clot Alliance, most pills increase the chances of developing a blood clot by three to four times, because of the high levels of estrogen and progestin hormones they contain. Sometimes, clots go away on their own, but if they don’t, they can cut off blood flow to arteries and prevent blood from getting to your heart, brain, and lungs — a dangerous, and potentially fatal, consequence.
But even so, only one in 1,000 women who are on the Pill each year will actually develop a clot.
Blood Clots in Children | Clotting Risks in Adolescence
Though more common in adults, blood clots also affect children. Learn about risk factors associated with inherited or acquired clotting disorders in kids.
www.ihtc.org
Although blood clots are more common in adults, they also can occur in children. The annual incidence figures are:
- 0.07 to 0.14 per 10,000 children
- 5.3 per 10,000 hospital admissions
- 24 per 10,000 neonatal intensive care unit admissions
A high risk of blood clots is associated with adolescence. Teenage girls have twice the rate of clots as teenage boys. This difference is related to the use of oral contraceptives and pregnancy. Even in the presence of inherited or acquired clotting risk factors, children are less likely than adults to develop clots because they generally have healthy blood vessels.
Sudden cardiac arrest is rare. It's rare in unvaccinated young people. It's rare in vaccinated young people.
Sudden Cardiac Arrest in Young People
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 2,000 young, seemingly healthy people under age 25 in the United States die each year of sudden cardiac arrest. These deaths leave behind a huge and devastating impact on families and communities. But there are ways to help...
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 2,000 young, seemingly healthy people under age 25 in the United States die each year of sudden cardiac arrest.
Blood clots are rare in unvaccinated young people. They are rare in vaccinated young people. Birth control pills increase the risk of getting them by three to four times.
Blood Clots Affect Many People
Blood Clots Can Be Deadly
- VTE affects as many as 900,000 Americans each year.
- 3 in 10 people who have a blood clot will have another episode within 10 years.
- As many as 100,000 people die of blood clots each year.
- PE is a leading cause of death in a woman during pregnancy or just after having a baby.
- Sudden death – 1 of 4 people who have
a PE die without warning.- Blood clots are a leading cause of death in people with cancer after the cancer itself.
Why Girls Are Dying from The Pill — And Whether You Need to Be Worried
It depends.www.teenvogue.com
according to the National Blood Clot Alliance, most pills increase the chances of developing a blood clot by three to four times, because of the high levels of estrogen and progestin hormones they contain. Sometimes, clots go away on their own, but if they don’t, they can cut off blood flow to arteries and prevent blood from getting to your heart, brain, and lungs — a dangerous, and potentially fatal, consequence.
But even so, only one in 1,000 women who are on the Pill each year will actually develop a clot.
Blood Clots in Children | Clotting Risks in Adolescence
Though more common in adults, blood clots also affect children. Learn about risk factors associated with inherited or acquired clotting disorders in kids.
Although blood clots are more common in adults, they also can occur in children. The annual incidence figures are:
Newborns and babies younger than one-year-old are at greatest risk for blood clots. Children in intensive care units—and those with cancers—are particularly at high risk.
- 0.07 to 0.14 per 10,000 children
- 5.3 per 10,000 hospital admissions
- 24 per 10,000 neonatal intensive care unit admissions
A high risk of blood clots is associated with adolescence. Teenage girls have twice the rate of clots as teenage boys. This difference is related to the use of oral contraceptives and pregnancy. Even in the presence of inherited or acquired clotting risk factors, children are less likely than adults to develop clots because they generally have healthy blood vessels.
Yep, everything is rare and a statistic. Dying of Covid is rare. Dying from the vaccines is rare. Dying from underage drinking is rare (5,000 a year 18 and under). In the end, we are all going to be some statistic, some very rare, some not so rare.
2,000 people dying each year under the age of 25 is ridiculously rare. Odd they use 25 and under. 18 and above is typically considered adulthood. The population of 18 and under in the US is 74.2Million. 42% of the world's population is 25 and under. From July of 2019, Statista says 103.3M Americans are 24 and under. 0.000019 in that category suffer heart attacks. If we could include the 25 year olds, the # would be even smaller. Just highlighting how rare it is, as the article points out.
By posting this data, are you saying you agree with Flog that ONE youth has died from the vaccines? That's why you posted this?
You admitted previously some % will and do die from the vaccines, that that is normal throughout history, which it is.
Here's what's happening. One side is saying everything reported to VAERS is a vaccine death. The other side is saying bullshit, none are.
The truth lies in between.
Here's what I know: None of us know the true #. We also know, factually, that the CDC has taken the deaths coincident numbers and changed them radically without explanation from 12K (way up from the 5K reported just 2 months ago) down to 6K up to 10K back to 12K.
Right now it stands at about 12K. Not all of them are vaccine related deaths. Some are. What %, we don't know.
We also know, VAERS is under-reported, it is voluntary and thus incidents are under-reported. Not all incidents are reported. We also know that incidents aren't just reported to VAERS, they are reported through CMS (Medicare/Medicaid) and other sites as well which are not reflected in VAERS data.
So the number is well beyond 12K. The travesty is we have such shoddy reporting on such an important issue.
I am not saying all VAERS death coincidents are vaccine deaths. I also am smart enough to know, not all of them are not. Some of these kids suffering cardiac arrest within 3 days of getting the vax are due to the vax. Some are not.
Again...what a shame we don't have more transparent reporting.
Enough with the debates!
Just go out and get it already!
It protects you, your family and everyone in the community!
It's been scientifically, mathematically, and statistically proven to make everyone safer!
The communities that got them are overwhelmingly safer!
The chances of side effects or accidents are so unbelievably small that it's completely absurd to not get one already!
Quit being selfish, quit arguing online and go purchase a FIREARM!
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Just go out and get it already!
It protects you, your family and everyone in the community!
It's been scientifically, mathematically, and statistically proven to make everyone safer!
The communities that got them are overwhelmingly safer!
The chances of side effects or accidents are so unbelievably small that it's completely absurd to not get one already!
Quit being selfish, quit arguing online and go purchase a FIREARM!
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I'm posting it to once again explain that VAERS data is not and never has been intended to be a reporting of cause and effect from vaccines. You stated that no one has ever seen a healthy 16 year old drop dead of a heart attack. That is factually incorrect.
I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of the CDC changing the numbers. But 12000 deaths among the 150+ million who have received a vaccine in the last 9 months is not an inordinate number of deaths in any group of that number of people. In fact an average of around 7700 people in this country die of something every single day. Statistically around half of them will have had a covid vaccine in the last 9 months. That doesn't mean the vaccine caused their deaths.
Each death reported to VAERS is studied and when there are patterns of adverse events or causes of death that exceed norms a warning is put out. That has happened with blood clots (last I heard I think 1 or 2 confirmed deaths) and it has happened with myocarditis (last I heard no confirmed deaths). Both of which seem to have happened at slightly elevated levels from normal occurrence so it's something to study and be concerned about, but still extremely rare.
The CDC is not lying to you or covering things up. Why would they tell you about the blood clots and myocarditis if they were? And if they were, what is their motivation? They want to make money for Pfizer at all costs, even if it means secretly killing lots and lots of young healthy people? Do you actually believe that?
I never have said all reported cases were. You seem to think 100% of what is reported there is in no way tied to the vaccines, the polar opposite.
Incorrect. What I specifically said was "How many of you know a 16 year old that dropped dead of a heart attack? I don't. I don't know anyone who does. Anywhere." Meaning, in my world, I know of none, nor do I know anyone who knows of one. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just that is utterly rare, as you point out.
It has been publicly reported, numerous times. I posted screen shots weeks ago. Tucker aired it on his segment. They follow it. One day it was 6K, then, the next it went to 12K, before dropping back to 6K, then being bumped back up to 10K, then to 12K...in days.
Yeah that's normal.
Nor does it mean they didn't.
Again, let me repeat...because this discussion is going into extremes. You "seem" to think I believe 100% of adverse reported events are truly tied to the vaccines. I do not. Likewise, you seem to be arguing that none of the events are vaccine related.
The answer lies in between.
I find that statement pretty bold. I mean, given the context of Government in general lying to Americans forever. Given the CDC's incredible waffling in the past 18 months alone, a lot of which had nothing to do with "learnings" and had a lot to do with politics (like letting the Teachers Union tell the CDC what its health policy should be), they have done nothing to leave Americans feeling trustworthy about them.
I'm not yet ready to say they are lying to us intentionally, but they have been dishonest with us week after week for the past year and a half.
I'm not in the camp, like others here, that say the CDC is trying to make pharma money. I hope Pharma makes billions because they save lives, so don't put me in that camp.
But I also recognize we live in the weirdest time in US History we have may "ever" seen. Induced fear from the Government and the media that doesn't measure up to the situation we are in. And I believe that sometimes when the train gets too far down the track, it's really tough to pull it back.
The CDC is under the impression they can eradicate COVID, they cannot (as the doctor's speech yesterday showed). There is still this perception that if 100% of the world were vaccinated, Covid goes away. And that push is intense. Yet, it's not going away. It is endemic. It will forever be with us, at least in our lifetimes and likely lifetimes to come.
Regardless, my post that you replied to has gone sideways. If you go back, you will see I posted that data because Flog and I have a continual debate going back and forth about the # of kids that have died due to the vaccines. That is why I posted that #. He says it's only one. I know that's not true. Do I think the number is enough to worry about? No, I do not. But Flog nitpicks and I'm standing ground.
You seem to be taking me posting that VAERS data as some indication that I think thousands of kids have died. That's not the context in which it was posted.
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Then stop quoting VAERS data in the context of discussions of how many people have died from vaccines, if you don't want it to be interpreted that way. It's irresponsible. Confirmed deaths cause by vaccines at this point are minute. Less than a handful out of millions. Most of that handful are from the Astra Zeneca and J&J vaccines. I believe I read about one Moderna, in a 60+ man who already had serious vascular issues.
VAERS reports of people who died after getting vaccines have absolutely nothing to do with confirmed deaths caused by vaccines. Nada. Bupkus. VAERS reports are an investigational tool, that's it. They aren't technically even statistics. They aren't scientific. They are voluntary, unconfirmed reports, that's it.
Obviously if you believe you're being lied to, than actual data isn't going to mean a thing to you. Nothing I can do about that.
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FWIW, probably not much...
www.reuters.com
Users are claiming that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention deleted reports of 6,000 deaths from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The CDC told Reuters the entry removal was due to foreign reports being combined with domestic reports.
Examples can be seen here and here .
The text in one post reads: “Does this surprise you?! Does it frustrate you?! Not only are deaths and adverse reactions already underreported, but then to have them DELETE the information is absolutely ridiculous and super disrespectful!!! Click below to read the full article!!”
Archives of the CDC page in question here show the increase and decrease in the number of deaths reported to VAERS.
An archived version of the page captured at 17:41 GMT on July 20 shows 6,079 reports of deaths (here).
The next capture was taken at 21:02 GMT on July 20 showing 12,313 reports of deaths (here).
The number reverted back to 6,079, as seen in a capture at 18:54 GMT on July 21 (here). It was then updated to 6,207 reports of death in a capture at 01:39 GMT on July 22 (here).
Curtis Gill, a CDC representative, told Reuters via email that the CDC is aware of an error which took place while data was being uploaded to the page.
“The error resulted in what appeared to be a large spike in the number of deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after COVID-19 vaccination,” Gill said. “It happened, accidentally, because of combining foreign and domestic reports, and has been corrected.”
When viewing VAERS data on its website, users can filter results by location, which includes U.S. states and territories, as well as an option labelled “foreign” and “unknown”. There are more than 110,000 results for adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines reported when selecting “foreign” and “unknown” as the location.
The advisory guide to the interpretation of VAERS data here explains: “VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance-system quality.” (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html)
The 6,207 number of reported deaths remains on the website as of publishing, making up 0.0018 percent among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine after more than 339 million doses were administered in the U.S. (here). These deaths, however, are not confirmed to be causal.
On the same page, the CDC says: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
Anyone can report events to VAERS ( vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html ) and a disclaimer on the CDC website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here ). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data do not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here ).
Reuters explored this lack of causality in other fact check articles visible here , here and here .
Fact Check-6,000 VAERS reports were deleted for being foreign entries, CDC says
Users are claiming that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention deleted reports of 6,000 deaths from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The CDC told Reuters the entry removal was due to foreign reports being combined with domestic reports.
www.reuters.com
Users are claiming that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention deleted reports of 6,000 deaths from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The CDC told Reuters the entry removal was due to foreign reports being combined with domestic reports.
Examples can be seen here and here .
The text in one post reads: “Does this surprise you?! Does it frustrate you?! Not only are deaths and adverse reactions already underreported, but then to have them DELETE the information is absolutely ridiculous and super disrespectful!!! Click below to read the full article!!”
Archives of the CDC page in question here show the increase and decrease in the number of deaths reported to VAERS.
An archived version of the page captured at 17:41 GMT on July 20 shows 6,079 reports of deaths (here).
The next capture was taken at 21:02 GMT on July 20 showing 12,313 reports of deaths (here).
The number reverted back to 6,079, as seen in a capture at 18:54 GMT on July 21 (here). It was then updated to 6,207 reports of death in a capture at 01:39 GMT on July 22 (here).
Curtis Gill, a CDC representative, told Reuters via email that the CDC is aware of an error which took place while data was being uploaded to the page.
“The error resulted in what appeared to be a large spike in the number of deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after COVID-19 vaccination,” Gill said. “It happened, accidentally, because of combining foreign and domestic reports, and has been corrected.”
When viewing VAERS data on its website, users can filter results by location, which includes U.S. states and territories, as well as an option labelled “foreign” and “unknown”. There are more than 110,000 results for adverse events following COVID-19 vaccines reported when selecting “foreign” and “unknown” as the location.
The advisory guide to the interpretation of VAERS data here explains: “VAERS occasionally receives case reports from US manufacturers that were reported to their foreign subsidiaries. Under FDA regulations, if a manufacturer is notified of a foreign case report that describes an event that is both serious and unexpected (in other words, it does not appear in the product labeling), they are required to submit it to VAERS. It is important to realize that these case reports are of variable data quality and completeness, due to the many differences in country reporting practices and surveillance-system quality.” (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html)
The 6,207 number of reported deaths remains on the website as of publishing, making up 0.0018 percent among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine after more than 339 million doses were administered in the U.S. (here). These deaths, however, are not confirmed to be causal.
On the same page, the CDC says: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
Anyone can report events to VAERS ( vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html ) and a disclaimer on the CDC website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here ). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data do not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here ).
Reuters explored this lack of causality in other fact check articles visible here , here and here .
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It's been another 25 or 50 pages so here is my rant....
You should get the vaccine. Your children 12+ should get the vaccine.
This is not an "opinion". There is a growing attitude around here that all opinions are of equal importance. That is bullshit.
If I am building a bridge and I have a civil engineer with 20 years experience in construction on one side of me and a random dude on the other, their "opinions" on how to build the bridge are NOT EQUAL.
Yet somehow all your opinions about the human body and drug interactions is AS EQUAL as doctors and immunologists? It's not.
I fully understand not trusting the government or politicians and what they say about this disease. But TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR before you go spouting off about ifs and buts and conspiracy theories.
Not one of you has QUOTED your family or personal doctor that agrees with you that you shouldn't get the shot. Not ******* one. These doctors (hopefully) know you for decades. You should TRUST them because their "opinion" of your health actually does mean a lot more than your "opinion".
If a doctor tells you "You are overweight", your "opinion" that your weight is fine because you feel okay that day is not the same.
Again, there is some growing sentiment among right-leaning folks that science, engineering and academia is just "opinion". It's not.
I fully understand and agree with the fact the left and main stream media has eroded our faith in "experts". First, they claim too many things are "science" when it isn't. We've talked numerous times about any degree ending in "Studies" isn't a real degree. And the left has made WAY TOO MANY things some sort of "expert field".
But that DOES NOT APPLY to the human body and your health. Doctors know best and their opinions are more important than yours. You ignore them at all our risks right now.
You should get the vaccine. Your children 12+ should get the vaccine.
This is not an "opinion". There is a growing attitude around here that all opinions are of equal importance. That is bullshit.
If I am building a bridge and I have a civil engineer with 20 years experience in construction on one side of me and a random dude on the other, their "opinions" on how to build the bridge are NOT EQUAL.
Yet somehow all your opinions about the human body and drug interactions is AS EQUAL as doctors and immunologists? It's not.
I fully understand not trusting the government or politicians and what they say about this disease. But TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR before you go spouting off about ifs and buts and conspiracy theories.
Not one of you has QUOTED your family or personal doctor that agrees with you that you shouldn't get the shot. Not ******* one. These doctors (hopefully) know you for decades. You should TRUST them because their "opinion" of your health actually does mean a lot more than your "opinion".
If a doctor tells you "You are overweight", your "opinion" that your weight is fine because you feel okay that day is not the same.
Again, there is some growing sentiment among right-leaning folks that science, engineering and academia is just "opinion". It's not.
I fully understand and agree with the fact the left and main stream media has eroded our faith in "experts". First, they claim too many things are "science" when it isn't. We've talked numerous times about any degree ending in "Studies" isn't a real degree. And the left has made WAY TOO MANY things some sort of "expert field".
But that DOES NOT APPLY to the human body and your health. Doctors know best and their opinions are more important than yours. You ignore them at all our risks right now.
Confirmation of being on the wrong side of an issue is when Tibs agrees with you.
Perhaps read what I've written as I've written it. I've never said all reported adverse events are deaths.
I have said that the adverse events reported for these vaccines is excessive.
I believe I have always acknowledged what you've countered with, that there is no causal link. But some % of them are true. As I said, the answer lies in between.
I don't know how many people have died from the vaccines. No one does. We should have better data.
So on the one hand, you will say that of all the suspect deaths listed/reported, there is no causal link and we don't know.
But then you state as fact the deaths caused by the vaccines is minute. That's a bit of a flip flop.
Nope, it means they are suspect in the potential cause of whatever the adverse event was. Until they are all investigated, we don't know either way.
Yep, and as I said previously, it's a shame we don't have better reporting on all of this. The system is voluntary. These adverse events aren't uniformly reported, nor are they only reported to one site...if reported at all.
So we really don't know the overall impact..
For the 3rd time, I don't believe I'm being lied to. I believe it has become a political organization and they did much damage to themselves in the past 18 months. It appears me and others who no longer trust them are in the majority. That does not mean I think they are lying. They are inconsistent, and driven by politics.
The CDC is no longer an organization people have much faith in, including the medical field itself. To paint me and others who trust little that comes from the CDC doesn't make us nuts...unless these people are nuts too.
So sorry...when you say "Don't you think they are investigating all the VAERS reports?" I don't know that I do fully believe that or not. Not sure what to believe. I know I and others just don't trust them.
Trust in CDC, FDA Took a Beating During Pandemic
Recent CDC guidance on COVID-19 has been widely misinterpreted and caused confusion, and the FDA decisions during the pandemic have been critiqued .
www.webmd.com
June 9, 2021 -- Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.
Doctors and nurses reported relatively lower trust in the CDC than WebMD readers. Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses and 45% of WebMD readers. The FDA didn’t fare much better: 37% of doctors, 27% of nurses, and 41% of WebMD readers said they trust the FDA in general.
In addition to a lack of trust, many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19. About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic, compared to 36% of WebMD readers. Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance, while 39% of WebMD readers did.