Covid Vaccine

[oneforthebus]

Not sure why I bother, when folks like Tim Steelersfan will only swat it away and start spewing a litany of bullshit alternative facts. But maybe, just maybe, it'll save his life and help protect his family members. So here it goes:

People should still get vaccinated even if they’ve already had COVID-19, health agencies and medical experts say

According to medical experts and health agencies, people should get vaccinated regardless of whether they have previously been infected with COVID-19 because it remains unclear how strong or long-lasting the protection from natural antibodies is. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19, according to the CDC.

You know what else is unclear? How strong or long lasting the protection from the vaccine is. Show me some data that the previously infected are getting infected or hospitalized at a higher rate than those who are only vaccinated. I'll accept that as fact when I see it. And I'm not anti-vax as you know.

This kind of half-truth muddling of the supposed science is why there is so little trust in the CDC. It seems they're always certain about bad news and restrictive measures but always uncertain when it comes to anything that might make life a little easier on some people. It's no wonder people are skeptical. I blame this muddled messaging for the lack of trust in the vaccines. Honesty and transparency was the way to go and they are failing miserably at it.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

We've actually changed the definition of vaccine for COVID 19.

From the CDC:

VACCINE: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

IMMUNITY: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

COVID 19 Vaccine: The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated where community transmission of the virus is widespread. Vaccinated people could potentially still become infected and spread the virus to others.

Doesn't sound much like a vaccine at all.

It all depends on how you define “is”

 

[madinsomniac]

Things have officially turned 180. Dems used to be totally against The Man having any influence in their lives. Now they can't get enough. Guess that makes me a hippie now.

Its a phenomenon we are discussing in my circle…. When i grew up, conservatives were the rigid, judgmental, authoritarian prudes. They wanted to censor what offended them, demanded you think their way, and invented cancel culture back in the day…. Liberals have assimilated every aspect of that as most of the conservatives became more open and accepting….

I think a lot has to do with the political parties flip flopping on things to stay polarized while most people are sheep to those parties….

its very weird though

 

[IndySteel]

It all depends on how you define “is”

 

[Troglodyte]

Things have officially turned 180. Dems used to be totally against The Man having any influence in their lives. Now they can't get enough. Guess that makes me a hippie now.

I’m sure there are “vaccines cause autism, xyz disease…” liberals who are now also refusing the Covid vaccine. I think they’re a combination of misinformed, naive and/or nuts too.

 

[Tibs]

Doesn't sound much like a vaccine at all.

Regardless of semantics, the simple fact is an overwhelming majority of Covid related hospitalization, severe illness and death come from unvaccinated patients. Does that reveal anything? That at the minimum, the vaccine is good for *something,* that is will likely keep you or a loved one from dying alone on a hospital bed. Even if you catch Covid the vaccine can very well save your life.

 

[oneforthebus]

We've actually changed the definition of vaccine for COVID 19.

From the CDC:

VACCINE: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

IMMUNITY: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

COVID 19 Vaccine: The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated where community transmission of the virus is widespread. Vaccinated people could potentially still become infected and spread the virus to others.

Doesn't sound much like a vaccine at all.

No vaccine is 100% effective. Obviously, the more contagious and widespread an infectious disease is, the more breakthrough infections you're going to have. It's too bad the CDC can't get this simple message out....vaccination prevents most infections and almost all hospitalizations and deaths.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You would neither understand or appreciate any details the MEDICAL DOCTORS at the CDC provided you.

Well....for once you make a valid point and make my argument. The CDC provided zero details in that tweet. None. Not one.

If you read the reply I made to Tiblio, you'd see I said just that. The CDC, a lying liars organization, supported absolutely nothing they said with any data/links/studies at all.

Case closed.

 

[LeXX75]

No vaccine is 100% effective. Obviously, the more contagious and widespread an infectious disease is, the more breakthrough infections you're going to have. It's too bad the CDC can't get this simple message out....vaccination prevents most infections and almost all hospitalizations and deaths.

They change their story all the time...Kung Fucci changes his story all the time...Pres Xiden says get the shot and you are safe...safe...safe...thats why the simple message isnt so simple

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Here you go, Tim. This is your perspective and insight from just three weeks ago. Maybe forward this to the folks at the CDC, I’m sure they’d be impressed.

Yep, and at the time, cases weren't rising.

You simply don't get context or timing. In that moment, you were preaching fear, death, doom, and destruction. As always, I take present data and say "no, this is where we are."

Like today. We are still at about 1/3 the daily deaths average we were at 60 days ago.

All the cases in the world is meaningless if people aren't dying. When deaths go up to four or five hundred a day, then we need to show concern. Just a few years ago, we were losing over 400 a day to the flu.

 

[oneforthebus]

They change their story all the time...Kung Fucci changes his story all the time...Pres Xiden says get the shot and you are safe...safe...safe...thats why the simple message isnt so simple

In fairness, part of this is because it's a new virus and scientific knowledge evolves. It just seems the "science" coming out of the CDC is always weighted towards whatever is most burdensome and restrictive when it should be the opposite.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

https://babylonbee.com/news/man-dis...-so-democrats-wont-care-that-hes-unvaccinated

So the peoplez can see. LMAO

 

[Tibs]

Pure insanity. Delta variant driving Florida numbers to previous peak levels. The venerable Dr. Tim Steelersfan from the SN board says? Nothing to worry about.

Florida virus cases soar, hospitals near last summer's peak

Hospital admissions of coronavirus patients continue to soar in Florida with at least two areas in the state surpassing the previous peaks of last summer's surge, prompting calls by local officials for the governor to declare an emergency. A large hospital system in Jacksonville said its...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Pure insanity. Delta variant driving Florida numbers to previous peak levels. The venerable Dr. Tim Steelersfan from the SN board says? Nothing to worry about.

Florida virus cases soar, hospitals near last summer's peak

Hospital admissions of coronavirus patients continue to soar in Florida with at least two areas in the state surpassing the previous peaks of last summer's surge, prompting calls by local officials for the governor to declare an emergency. A large hospital system in Jacksonville said its...

news.yahoo.com

How many people are dying Tibs?

We will wait.

 

[Tibs]

How many people are dying Tibs?

We will wait.

I know you will wait, until deaths are soaring again. That's the problem.

 

[Sarge]

No vaccine is 100% effective. Obviously, the more contagious and widespread an infectious disease is, the more breakthrough infections you're going to have. It's too bad the CDC can't get this simple message out....vaccination prevents most infections and almost all hospitalizations and deaths.

Well, then maybe the CDC should change their definition.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I’m sure there are “vaccines cause autism, xyz disease…” liberals who are now also refusing the Covid vaccine. I think they’re a combination of misinformed, naive and/or nuts too.

It's easy to be misinformed when the narrative changes on almost a daily basis. Can you honestly blame people for being skeptical?

On a personal note, I'm done playing the game, life is too short and growing ever shorter with each passing day. I no longer have to worry about getting up to work everyday, so this virus will no longer dictate my life. If businesses begin requiring masks again, I just won't participate in the goods or services they offer, and I'll be just fine with that.

I've done the vaccine, the only mask I'll ever wear from this point forward will be when running the table saw.

Live your life, because 70 comes up on you before you know it.

 

[Sarge]

Regardless of semantics, the simple fact is an overwhelming majority of Covid related hospitalization, severe illness and death come from unvaccinated patients. Does that reveal anything? That at the minimum, the vaccine is good for *something,* that is will likely keep you or a loved one from dying alone on a hospital bed. Even if you catch Covid the vaccine can very well save your life.

And then again, it might not. In Israel, infections of vaccinated people are outpacing unvaccinated people nearly 4-1. Will we see that here? Who knows? If we do, will the government be honest enough to tell the American people the truth? I doubt it.

 

[Sarge]

Regardless of semantics, the simple fact is an overwhelming majority of Covid related hospitalization, severe illness and death come from unvaccinated patients. Does that reveal anything? That at the minimum, the vaccine is good for *something,* that is will likely keep you or a loved one from dying alone on a hospital bed. Even if you catch Covid the vaccine can very well save your life.

And I am vaccinated, by the way, so you don't have to try and sell me on that ****. We're starting to see evidence that these vaccines just might not be the end all be all everyone says they are. That's worrying.

 

[Confluence]

We've actually changed the definition of vaccine for COVID 19.

From the CDC:

VACCINE: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

IMMUNITY: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

COVID 19 Vaccine: The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated where community transmission of the virus is widespread. Vaccinated people could potentially still become infected and spread the virus to others.

Doesn't sound much like a vaccine at all.

As said before:

It's the flu vaccine, bro.

 

[JMM]

I’m sure there are “vaccines cause autism, xyz disease…” liberals who are now also refusing the Covid vaccine. I think they’re a combination of misinformed, naive and/or nuts too.

Maybe they are just doing what the feel is right for their circumstance. We should all be free to make that decision, at least that's the way I look at it. Other results may vary.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I know you will wait, until deaths are soaring again. That's the problem.

You unintelligent fool. You're a trolling parrot, nothing more. Unable to critically think or interpret and come to sound reason.

The following are 7 day averages. Here is where we were:

Date

7-day case average

7 day death average

IFR

2/1/01​

145,605

3,159

0.0217

2/15/01​	87,845	2,687	0.0306
3/1/01​	67,464	2,037	0.0302

Here is where we are:

7/1/01​	13,527	269	0.0199
7/15/01​	29,354	287	0.0098
7/29/01​	70,073	317	0.0045

Now I know I need to explain this to you again. IFR is the infection fatality rate, a number always higher than true mortality because it does NOT include asymptomatic/assumed cases. But it's fine for making a comparison.

Fewer people are dying because of Rona.

How much so?

Feb 1 to March 1 was an IFR of 0.2602 in total.
The month of July in total was an IFR of 0.0077

A 70.6% drop in the Infection Fatality Rate.

Dr. Tim, out.

PS...will this change? Who knows. But right now and the trends over recent months show a declining IFR. Vax + natural immunity + lesser variant + better treatments = less fatal.

 

[JMM]

Its a phenomenon we are discussing in my circle…. When i grew up, conservatives were the rigid, judgmental, authoritarian prudes. They wanted to censor what offended them, demanded you think their way, and invented cancel culture back in the day…. Liberals have assimilated every aspect of that as most of the conservatives became more open and accepting….

I think a lot has to do with the political parties flip flopping on things to stay polarized while most people are sheep to those parties….

its very weird though

Fight the power,,

 

[Badcat]

I’m sure there are “vaccines cause autism, xyz disease…” liberals who are now also refusing the Covid vaccine. I think they’re a combination of misinformed, naive and/or nuts too.

I love how you paint educated and informed people as "naïve", "misinformed", and "Nuts" for not getting an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine. I mean, if you're so informed then please tell me, with absolute certainty, That the Vaccine will not cause any lasting side effects, or even death, and will keep me out of the hospital if re-infected with the Covid?

The answer is that you CAN NOT

So, I'm going to continue to do research and wait for a non-mRNA vaccine that is fully approved by the FDA that will actually do what I outlined above. And when you turn into a mongoloid who bleeds from your dick and develops toilet seat licking disorder I don't wanna hear about how Faux Faucci is to blame. It's all on you, you ******* lemming.

 

[Superman]

A DISCUSSION

"ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: …

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

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