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Covid Vaccine

They advertise because it's profitable, imagine that. With the advent of the internet hypochondriacs can google symptoms, check the TV ads then badger their physicians to prescribe it. At one time, 40-50 years ago, being a drug rep was an honorable profession, filled with people knowing their products. It quickly morphed into short skirts and little other than a smiling face. The providers in my facility dreaded them coming into the building.
Shorts skirts should not matter to MDs who's credo is "first do no harm" and who believe informed consent matters.

What percentage of MDs read package inserts for drugs they are professionally trained to prescribe?
 
It's got to be an unfortunate situation to be a hypochondriac in the States these days with every other commercial pushing one drug or another.. Do other countries push drugs like we do?
only New Zealand allows pharma ads on the TeeVee.
 
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Real question.

If your job was not a consideration, and you had to choose one of these two for a lifelong friend, which would it be:

Covid shot
Or
An evening using cocaine
Well, I could probably use the cocaine to lure some chics, so....
 
only New Zealand allows pharma ads on the TeeVee.
That's weird. My wife and I went there on our honeymoon years ago and the country was extremely conservative. I remember reading about a case where a kid fell off a boardwalk and got hurt. The parents sued the city, township or whatever for not having appropriate fencing. The township found the parents guilty of child abuse for not keeping their kid out of danger. That's my kind of justice. Don't be a dumbass and you'll be alright. Act the fool, get hurt, you're an idiot and deserve to get hurt. Too stupid to keep an eye on your kid? Sorry kid, you're parents are idiots and you're on the short end of the stick. Darwin is a hell of a judge.
 
Shorts skirts should not matter to MDs who's credo is "first do no harm" and who believe informed consent matters.

What percentage of MDs read package inserts for drugs they are professionally trained to prescribe?
Well, if you read the package insert for an aspirin tablet, you'd likely never take one. Risks/benefits.
 
Well, if you read the package insert for an aspirin tablet, you'd likely never take one. Risks/benefits.
That's the point. Aren't MDs educated for years to do this in order to provide information and advice that leads to informed consent for their patients?

To explain the benefits in terms of risk, don't you need to understand those risks, and isn't every doctor's ethos "first do no harm"?
 
That's the point. Aren't MDs educated for years to do this in order to provide information and advice that leads to informed consent for their patients?

To explain the benefits in terms of risk, don't you need to understand those risks, and isn't every doctor's ethos "first do no harm"?
Absolutely, and I will give you credit for this.
It's been a while, but the amount of pharmacology and pharmacognosy taught is/was limited to a single semester in medical school.

As far as this mRNA product goes, anyone with reasonable cognitive abilities would conclude that it's use should be limited to a specific patient population. I doubt, but other than anecdotal examples have no idea, that many physicians are still actively encouraging that all of their patients receive this shot. Other than Dr Flogstain of course.
 
Well, if you read the package insert for an aspirin tablet, you'd likely never take one. Risks/benefits.
Not for pregnant women. High fever during pregnancy, especially early pregnancy, is very dangerous for the fetus. By refusing acetaminophen, they risk their baby having spina bifida, heart defects, facial deformities and other birth defects.
 
Not for pregnant women. High fever during pregnancy, especially early pregnancy, is very dangerous for the fetus. By refusing acetaminophen, they risk their baby having spina bifida, heart defects, facial deformities and other birth defects.
Well, you got me again, however my response was an adult conversation that I was having with Confluence. Context is kind of important.

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There's an old saying in medicine of start low, go slow.
The appropriate use of both aspirin and acetaminophen in pregnancy can be documented based on the condition being treated.
To make the discussion of this political just for scoring points is kind of insane. In this case, Trump is wrong, Tylenol has its place, but he is correct in a sense that NSAID's if abused will have adverse effects on the kidneys, acetaminophen, the liver. Pick your poison. Again, risk/benefit, medicine is not an exact science.
 
There's an old saying in medicine of start low, go slow.
The appropriate use of both aspirin and acetaminophen in pregnancy can be documented based on the condition being treated.
To make the discussion of this political just for scoring points is kind of insane. In this case, Trump is wrong, Tylenol has its place, but he is correct in a sense that NSAID's if abused will have adverse effects on the kidneys, acetaminophen, the liver. Pick your poison. Again, risk/benefit, medicine is not an exact science.
Since there has been long experience with Tylenol, there should be ample adverse events reporting and historical data.

Why would HHS make this policy change without concomitant data? If the label needs changed, then it was done. If RFK jumped the gun, the manufacturer, the AMA and others can demonstrate the errors.

Maybe something else causes autism?

FWIW, cannabis has a better safety profile than Tylenol. Have a look at the kidney damage from Tylenol, especially in conjunction with alcohol use.
 
Trump also said "We understood a lot more than a lot of people who studied it," when speaking about autism." I can't even figure out what he was trying to say here
Preaching to the choir the same as the left does. However, autism has exploded over the last 30 years and saying that it's because it's being diagnosed at a better rate only goes so far in explaining the numbers. Environmental possibilities, maybe, processed foods, could be, but it still doesn't explain the numbers. Not laying blame on the vaccines, but if not, then what?
 
Since there has been long experience with Tylenol, there should be ample adverse events reporting and historical data.

Why would HHS make this policy change without concomitant data? If the label needs changed, then it was done. If RFK jumped the gun, the manufacturer, the AMA and others can demonstrate the errors.

Maybe something else causes autism?

FWIW, cannabis has a better safety profile than Tylenol. Have a look at the kidney damage from Tylenol, especially in conjunction with alcohol use.
Tylenol is metabolized hepatically, but I get your skepticism in questioning authority.
 
Preaching to the choir the same as the left does. However, autism has exploded over the last 30 years and saying that it's because it's being diagnosed at a better rate only goes so far in explaining the numbers. Environmental possibilities, maybe, processed foods, could be, but it still doesn't explain the numbers. Not laying blame on the vaccines, but if not, then what?
Autism has exploded and theoretically prenatal care is better. They said the scope / criteria of being autistic has changed which accounts for some. Tylenol has been around about 70 yrs so I doubt it has anything to do with it. I'd lean more into processed foods, maybe air quality, maybe it's just a genetic evolution for whatever reason. I just think it's dangerous for Trump and RFK to spout something as fact that has been studied and basically debunked for decades. If he knows more than people who study this stuff where is trump getting his info from.
 
Well, you got me again, however my response was an adult conversation that I was having with Confluence. Context is kind of important.

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Uh, RFK and Trump are (supposedly) trying to prevent autism due to acetaminophen taken during pregnancy.

Remember when the protest was the Covid vaccine? You haven’t had a legitimate point in nearly five years, now you’re grasping for any point.
 
Trump also said "We understood a lot more than a lot of people who studied it," when speaking about autism." I can't even figure out what he was trying to say here
Don’t try. He trying to promote his cults nonsensical ideology. I doubt Trump believes anything he said. Nobody here was talking about the dangers of acetaminophen. It will soon be gospel.
 
Autism has exploded and theoretically prenatal care is better. They said the scope / criteria of being autistic has changed which accounts for some. Tylenol has been around about 70 yrs so I doubt it has anything to do with it. I'd lean more into processed foods, maybe air quality, maybe it's just a genetic evolution for whatever reason. I just think it's dangerous for Trump and RFK to spout something as fact that has been studied and basically debunked for decades. If he knows more than people who study this stuff where is trump getting his info from.
The diagnosis of autism has exploded.
 
Tylenol is metabolized hepatically, but I get your skepticism in questioning authority.
Yep, got the wrong painkiller. Ibuprofen is more damaging to kidneys, while Acetaminophen is more related to significant liver injury (most liver transplants) especially with alcohol use.
 
Preaching to the choir the same as the left does. However, autism has exploded over the last 30 years and saying that it's because it's being diagnosed at a better rate only goes so far in explaining the numbers. Environmental possibilities, maybe, processed foods, could be, but it still doesn't explain the numbers. Not laying blame on the vaccines, but if not, then what?
All I know is that I just turned 65 and autism wasn't a thing when I was young. To the best of my recollection I got two vaccines back in the 60's, polio and chicken pox.
Kids today get about 70 starting when they're infants.
 
All I know is that I just turned 65 and autism wasn't a thing when I was young. To the best of my recollection I got two vaccines back in the 60's, polio and chicken pox.
Kids today get about 70 starting when they're infants.
There was an autistic kid in my small Catholic elementary school. I don't think he was called "autistic", everyone just considered him mentally retarded (which was an acceptable term back then). But in hindsight he was definitely severely autistic. Not to mention, there are a bazillion kids in my kids' generation that are being diagnosed as autistic...totally functional, even high achieving, just a little quirky or socially awkward. Everyone who's not a social butterfly is "on the spectrum" now.

If Tylenol increases the risk even marginally, and it appears some studies show that it may, as a pregnant woman I'd like to know that. Many women take it not just for fevers but random aches and pains that they would gladly just deal with if they knew Tylenol might harm their baby in any way. It certainly isn't some groundbreaking thing, lots of things might increase the risk of autism. But I'd want to know nonetheless. The largest risk factor for autism is genetics. It's likely a combination of genetic and environmental factors.

The rest of his gobbledygook on vaccines, I just laughed out loud at. Even RFK sounds like a genius on them next to Trump on this issue, although he's completely wrong. Where is the actual science? There is literally no research that shows spreading out vaccines makes any difference in adverse events. There is no research linking vaccines to autism, despite it being widely and broadly studied. It's probably the single most studied potential cause of autism and no legitimate study has ever shown a link. Yet he and RFK continue to push this nonsense. "All that liquid"...it's a few milliliters at a time at most. . The man will just talk out of his *** with no shame. It's embarrassing, especially on this issue.

The Amish thing is BS, there is autism in the Amish, I lived in Lancaster I can tell you a large chunk of Amish families you run across have a disabled kid, they probably aren't diagnosed as autistic because they tend to rely on home remedies and don't go to doctors as much. Certainly not for being "on the spectrum".

They never talk about the reason so many vaccines are given to babies. It's not some conspiracy to kill them, it's because many vaccine preventable illnesses are riskier for babies than they are for older children and adults.

90% of babies exposed to HepB will develop chronic HepB. a lifelong medical condition that they can then spread to other people. HepB tests on pregnant women have up to a 10% false negative rate. That is why the vaccine is routinely given at birth. Numerous childhood illnesses have a higher risk of death in babies than in older kids. This isn't a joke. Babies will become seriously ill and die because of this misinformation campaign. I guess that's what it's going to take for this dumb anti-vax movement to end, which is sad.
 
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