The response is also to Fedderone.
I'm a firm believer in the words of the bible.
You stated it. I’m asking a question about your point. Why is 90 people scamming (allegedly) billions of dollars more important than a handful of people scamming billions of dollars?
Turds come in ALL shapes, sizes, colors, occupations, letters, sexes, and titles.
TIME magazine.
The Boston Globe.
Wikipedia.
CBS.
Politifact.
FullFact.
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Your next attempt to deflect and spin will be what?
Wikipedia is confirming Trump said what he said, Tim.
Did any of the apostles get married? they are the direct humans of the word of God.
Having studied this from a secular perspective in college. Priests were not expected to be celibate until the Church realized they were becoming fiefdoms where they were setting up churches in a structure where they were being handed down from father to son like a feudal lord. The whole reason for requiring celibacy was to keep the church in control of its land and parishes. It was not biblical I nature but purely a political mechanism and the early Church used it's writing to make it seem canonical. The Roman Catholic Church was as much a political entity as it was a religious one. You can't study ancient and early Western and Eastern European history without mainly looking at the Roman and eventually the Byzantine Empire.
Yes, Peter, whom Jesus chose to build his church upon, and whom denied Jesus three times, was married.
define woman
They where married before they left their lives and carried Christs cross.
Are you under the impression they all got divorced once they followed Jesus?
And we know what politicians have written.
They died for their cause? Do you think they brought their families with them to do that.
I honestly haven’t given as much thought into holy people’s sex life before as now in this thread.
They can't die with a wife and children? Happens ALL the time, then and now, for religious reasons and natural causes.
I see you have a problem with the churches beliefs in a priests devotion to Christ that goes back thousands of years.
And many of the Church's leaders were and are politicians more than true clergy. The early organized Church was created by the Roman Empire as means to keep political control of a populous. That is why Christmas is when it is and many of the Easter traditions borrow from non-Christian Roman festivals and have absolutely nothing to do with actual Christianity. What was and wasn't included in the Bible itself when it was canonized was as much a debate about politics as it was faith. Why this book and not that book? I am a Christian but from having studied more and more on the formation and reformation of the Church I am not very satisfied with what organized religion does to the faith.
Celibacy wasn't brought into the picture as a formal Church construct until 304 AD and even then it wasn't a mandate. Not being allowed to marry and absolutely requiring celibacy wasn't completely formalized until as late as 1139 AD it was started with Pope Gregory VII in the 11th century.
It doesn’t matter to me as to when.
Yes about 300+ years then what had been at odds with the Empire was co-opted by Constantine and became the official Religion of the Empire. Eventually this led to a schism between the Eastern and Western branches and saw the formation of the Eastern Orthodox church. There have been many schisms along the way some politically and some religious such as the fight over the divinity of Christ.
Yes and a lot of the doctors of the church have studied this for hundreds of years.