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Covid Vaccine

You just continue to ignore logic and reason and post reams of debunked anti-vax blather. It’s a typical anti-vax tactic. Aluminum is ingested by every person every single day. The amount of aluminum in a vaccine is infinitesimal. Aluminum in vaccines has been extensively studied (here’s one with over a million participants) and not linked to any disorders. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40658954/
Here is the link to actual study:

Can you point out the comparison to unvaxed kids? They compared all the vaxed kids to the population.....which is amongst the most highly vaxxed in the world.....so their large cohort matched the population cohort.....this shows nothing of value.

If their is a statistical relevancy, please point it out.
 
You literally do not understand safety studies. You argue against relative safety of vaccines, when that is the only, contrived, method used to ever approve one. Your flawed understanding is the basis for your wilfully blind acceptance of your doctor's understanding of the profit driven marketing material they regurgitated for you.
Lol. Dude, I understand them completely, just not willing to get that far in the weeds with you. I’ll post a legit study and you’ll post some cherry picked, truth distorting Peter McCullough video while he’s on tv hawking quackery supplements. You’ll claim that NIH and CDC are conspiring with big pharma to harm children for money. Round and round we go…
 
That’s a lot of words but unfortunately most of it is false. All vaccines have safety studies, they are readily available from a multitude of sources, of course you will just say the sources are lying. Do you have kids? I was given a sheet of paper with every vaccine my kids ever received that outlined the risks and benefits. If I ever had any questions my physician, a person with years of medical training and experience, answered them.Your kids’ (if you have them) physician should have been doing rhe same.
Yes, its a vaccine record, part of modern medical records.
The problem is you guys take VAERS reports as safety data, they are not as has been discussed here ad nauseum.
Who is "you guys"? And how have you concluded that I or these "guys" have conflated VAERS, which underreports adverse events, with safety data that does not exist?
The idea that vaccine safety hasn’t been studied is ludicrous.
Again, please show even one vaccine with the gold standard double blinded placebo safety test. As your search becomes futile, you may begin to understand why RFK had to fire all those folks that had approved drugs for kids without these normal drug approval studies.
In the case of the covid vaccine when it’s emergency use because of the pandemic, the studying was rushed, I’ll agree with you there. The virus itself was new and waning immunity wasn’t understood. Studies after the fact conclude the vaccine is largely safe except in rare cases, though I’ll agree with you it’s not nearly as effective as originally believed.
Glad you have come around from your original stance at the beginning of this thread. Recall the original pFizer study you linked....did you know they moved the study endpoints? More than 50 times....ask yourself why this could be possible......and why they stopped the placebo group. Pay attention to the dramatic effects in the group of women in the study who became pregnant.
It’s not completely ineffective though. There are many studies showing lower hospitalization and death rates in vaccinated cohorts. I’m not going to waste my time googling them for you just to have you discredit the sources, but you know they’re out there and you can find them.
We can just agree to disagree on this point

Now you’ll just ask me again and again for a “ranking of vaccines by safety” which doesn’t exist because it’s irrelevant. You picked apart my analogies while the point of them flew right over your head. We don’t compare the relative safety of individual medical treatments to each other because they are individual treatments.
All vaccine safety studies, to date have been relative. Its also how they show efficacy too, which is retarded.
Every vaccine has a different risk/benefit profile. What is compared is the risks of getting each vaccine vs. the risks of not getting it. In today’s world where we’ve eliminated a variety of diseases because of vaccination it’s super easy for people to believe there are minimal risks of not getting vaccines. The risks are that ever greater numbers of people believe this and eliminated diseases resurge.
Thats just wrong. Modern cleanliness, simpler triage and other outcomes from advancing medical treatments pst WWII, better nutrition, etc. are all contributing reasons. Scurvy, which does not have a vaccine, shows a similar downward curve to measles, for instance. You conflate the correlation with causation, accepting it blindly for vaccines because you seem to be emotionally invested.
Why not just ask the vax makers to demonstrate the historical safety and efficacy as compared to unvaxed kids. Kinda simple, isn't it?

And again, doctors would make a lot more money treating kids hospitalized with pneumonia or encephalitis from measles so if they are purely profit motivated why would they want to push an inexpensive vaccine instead of the big pile of money they could make treating illnesses?
 
Classic example of how vaccine misinformation purveyors use bogus studies.


I can say definitively that the study by Henry Ford Health researchers has serious design problems that keep it from revealing much about whether vaccines affect children’s long-term health. In fact, a spokesperson at Henry Ford Health told journalists seeking comment on the study that it “was not published because it did not meet the rigorous scientific standards we demand as a premier medical research institution.”


The study’s weaknesses illustrate several key principles of biostatistics.

Study participants and conclusions​

The researchers examined the medical records of about 18,500 children born between 2000 and 2016 within the Henry Ford Health network. According to the records, roughly 16,500 children had received at least one vaccine and about 2,000 were completely unvaccinated.

The authors compared the two groups on a wide set of outcomes. These included conditions that affect the immune system, such as asthma, allergies and autoimmune disorders. They also included neurodevelopmental outcomes such as attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, autism and speech and seizure disorders, as well as learning, intellectual, behavioral and motor disabilities.


Many diagnoses of common childhood conditions like asthma and ADHD occur after children start school. Ariel Skelley/DigitalVision via Getty Images

Their headline result was that vaccinated children had 2.5 times the rate of “any selected chronic disease,” with 3 to 6 times higher rates for some specific conditions. They did not find that vaccinated children had higher rates of autism.

The study’s summary states it found that “vaccine exposure in children was associated with increased risk of developing a chronic health disorder.” That wording is strong, but it is not well supported given the weaknesses of the paper.

Timeline logic​

To study long-term diseases in children, it’s crucial to track their health until the ages when these problems usually show up. Many conditions in the study, like asthma, ADHD, learning problems and behavior issues, are mostly diagnosed after age 5, once kids are in school. If kids are not followed that long, many cases will be missed.

However, that’s what happened here, especially for children in the unvaccinated group.

About 25% of unvaccinated children in the study were tracked until they were less than 6 months old, 50% until they were less than 15 months old, and only 25% were tracked past age 3. That’s too short to catch most of these conditions. Vaccinated kids, however, were followed much longer, with 75% followed past 15 months of age, 50% past 2.7 years of age and 25% past 5.7 years of age.

The longer timeline gave the vaccinated kids many more chances to have diagnoses recorded in their Henry Ford medical records compared with the nonvaccinated group. The study includes no explanation for this difference.

When one group is watched longer and into the ages when problems are usually found, they will almost always look sicker on paper, even if the real risks are the same. In statistics, this is called surveillance bias.

The primary methods used in the paper were not sufficient to adjust for this surveillance bias. The authors tried new analyses using only kids followed beyond age 1, 3 or 5. But vaccinated kids were still tracked longer, with more reaching the ages when diagnoses are made, so those efforts did not fix this bias.

More opportunities to be diagnosed​

Not all cases of chronic disease are written down in the Henry Ford records. Kids who go to a Henry Ford doctor more often get more checkups, more tests and more chances for their diseases to be found and recorded in the Henry Ford system. Increased doctor visits has been shown to increase the chance of diagnosing chronic conditions, including autism, ADHD, asthma, developmental disorders and learning disabilities.

If people in one group see doctors more often than people in another, those people may look like they have higher disease rates even if their true health is the same across both groups. In statistics, this is called detection bias.

In the Henry Ford system, vaccinated kids averaged about seven visits per year, while unvaccinated kids had only about two. That gave the vaccinated kids many more chances to be diagnosed. The authors tried leaving out kids with zero visits, but this did not fix the detection bias, since vaccinated kids still had far more visits.

Another issue is that the study doesn’t show which kids actually used Henry Ford for their main care. Many babies are seen at the hospital for birth and early visits, but then go elsewhere for routine care. If that happens, later diagnoses would not appear in the Henry Ford records. The short follow-up for many children suggests a lot may have left the system after infancy, hiding diagnoses made outside Henry Ford.

Apples and oranges​

Big differences between the groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated children can make it hard to know if vaccines really caused any differences in chronic disease. This is because of a statistical concept called confounding.

The two groups were not alike from birth. They differed in characteristics like sex, race, birth weight, being born early and the mother experiencing birth complications – all factors linked to later effects on health. The study made some adjustments for these, but left out many other important risks, such as:

• Whether families live in urban, suburban or rural areas.

• Family income, health insurance and resources.

• Environmental exposures such as air and water pollution, which were concerns in Detroit at that time.


Many factors can affect how often a child visits a health care provider.
These factors can affect both the chance of getting vaccinated and the chance of having health problems. They also change how often families visit Henry Ford clinics, which affects what shows up in the records.

When too many measured and unmeasured differences line up, as they do here, the study is unable to fully separate cause from effect.

Bottom line​

The Henry Ford data could be helpful if the study followed both groups of kids to the same ages and took into account differences in health care use and background risks.

But as written, the study’s main comparisons are tilted. The follow-up time was short and uneven, kids had unequal chances for diagnosis, and the two groups were very different in ways that matter. The methods used did not adequately fix these problems. Because of this, the differences reported in the study do not show that vaccines cause chronic disease.

Good science asks tough questions and uses methods strong enough to answer them. This study falls short, and it is being presented as stronger evidence than its design really allows.
So the Danish study is ok for you because you like it's conclusion, but you reject this study because you believe differently.

Are you aware of the comments by the author of the study on why he buried it?

The surveillance bias in the study requires clarication as stated above. Given the notoriety and publicity, I am sure that will be forthcoming.

Since these are all serious health afflictions, the issue of more visits making more diagnoses seems silly.
 
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So the Danish study is ok for you because you like it's conclusion, but you reject this study because you believe differently.

Are you aware of the comments by the author of the study on why he buried it?
Medical professionals rejected this study, not me. Did you actually read any of the reasons the study is invalid?
 
You go first. Did you read the Danish study you cited?

And I added my comment above. The timeline issue matters.

Did you listen to the words of the study author about why he buried it?
 
You go first. Did you read the Danish study you cited?

And I added my comment above. The timeline issue matters.

Did you listen to the words of the study author about why he buried it?
Yes, I did read it, if you did you’ll see that there was an (albeit small) unvaccinated cohort (because the vast majority of kids are vaccinated). Did you read it? They also concurrently ran the data without the unvaccinated cohort because unvaccinated kids can share a lot of confounding factors (poverty, lack of medical care in general etc.) explanation here: https://vaccinateyourfamily.org/explaining-the-danish-study-on-aluminum-in-vaccines/
 
There are also ethical reasons why some studies are unblinded and non-placebo controlled. Obviously you don’t let a bunch of kids contract a fatal or disabling illness once there’s evidence that the vaccinated cohort is being protected.
 
Over here, just watching Conflu trying to win an argument with a woman.

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