Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

I'm not sure why it is so hard for you to grasp the simplest of points. If we had 10Million cases and only 10 people died from it, it is not a pandemic.

If cases rise by 400% but deaths only increase 3%...why the panic?

Look at the IFR data from June 1 alone. The death RATE is dropping. People may be getting it but fewer people are dying from it due to vaccines, natural immunity, better treatments and a weaker variant.

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The infection rate is an absolute. It doesn't matter the # of cases, large or small. How many got it, how many died from it.

When you say + means cases are rising, you're saying until there isn't one more case of COVID on the planet, you're gonna be scared shitless and suggest we all be locked down. Hello....we KNOW this about you.

The virus is endemic. It's never leaving. We get it to the point it's like the flu, we move on. It's damn near about there.

If deaths begin to rise proportionally, then we all have a reason to be concerned.

And...we lose as many people in 10 days as we lost on 9/11...in...a...couple...hours? What an amazing stretch to glorify something. You take a catastrophic event that happened in hours then say it's just like what's happening...nationwide...to 331Million people...over...10...days. HOLY ******* ROFL.

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You believe that someone who got COVID on July 1 may still be in the hospital after a month, from that infection 30 days ago? How many Flogged? Link??

You fancy yourself wise. We all know you are not. Were you aware...the average time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.

People who have had COVID in the first two weeks of July, by and large...the vast majority...are recovered. Only a scant few %s of people who got the virus in the first week and likely the 2nd week of July are still battling it.

What don't you get about facts?

What don’t you understand about math?

18.5 DAYS. That proves my point that you comparing the 7 day average deaths as a percent of the 7 day average new cases doesn’t make sense. Your numerator isn’t in your denominator. Another made up nonsensical statistic.

And no, people that die today of Covid, on average, were diagnosed on July 12-13 (31 minus 18.5), the SECOND WEEK OF JULY.

 

[Troglodyte]

So wait a DAMNED minute.

Tiblio and Floggio been done told us....99% of those people dyings and going by ampilampses to da hospital be UNVACCINATED.....

Said dat **** like **** be fact.

We done told them dat data don't do match up wid whatz we seez in udder countries.

Now 75% of those people that caught COVID in the MASSIVE COVID outbreak in MA were...VACCINATED???

Damn I'd be embarrassed.

Slinging facts when...well...they ain't.

Vaccinated with Covid isn’t the same as unvaccinated hospitalized or dead, Tim. Conflate much? You’re getting desperate with your arguments again. How many kids died from the vaccine? How’s the “already achieved herd immunity” thing going?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

For over a year, Trump convinced his supporters (you folks) that Covid was a hoax, that the scientists & doctors were incompetent and not to be trusted, and that masks were political virtue signaling.

This is why we are where we're at. It's not that complicated or mysterious.

For 8 months now we've seen the evolution of the vaccines. It's really been a world-wide TEST. Like watching rats in a cage.

The story has changed so much. And data of late is not good. Not good at all.

• More adverse events than all vaccines combined for decades
• Causing grave heart conditions in people, especially our male youth
• The # of deaths seems to be being covered up. Quite odd.
• Now, this notion of breakthrough cases being rare is...well the doctors and researchers that said this should be fired. Certainly never quoted or trusted again.

What appears to be the situation is that natural immunity is winning the day.

The vaccines keep you from getting gravely sick. Good. But at the cost of still spreading it to granny.

I'll gladly wait for my Novavax while watching this experiment continue.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

18.5 DAYS. That proves my point that you comparing the 7 day average deaths as a percent of the 7 day average new cases doesn’t make sense. Your numerator isn’t in your denominator. Another made up nonsensical statistic.

WHERE ARE THE DEATHS FLOGGY? You've been arguing cases are rising for weeks. It takes on average 18.5 days for them to succumb. Many more should have given the numbers in July.

They...have...not.

Cases are up hundreds of percents. Deaths are up a fraction.

Because...it's not as deadly a strain, COVID is no longer very deadly at all, natural immunity, vaccinations.

And no, people that die today of Covid, on average, were diagnosed on July 12-13 (31 minus 18.5), the SECOND WEEK OF JULY.

Could you ever read? I said, "by and large" the people who had COVID in the first two weeks of July are over it. Does the phrase by and large mean anything to you? You redefine ignorant.

Why don't you focus today on taking your vaccinated self and get tested? Seems like ya'll are becoming super spreaders.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Vaccinated with Covid isn’t the same as unvaccinated hospitalized or dead, Tim. Conflate much? You’re getting desperate with your arguments again. How many kids died from the vaccine? How’s the “already achieved herd immunity” thing going?

The point Flog is ya'll do be spreading it. Ya'll do be tell us if you get the vax, you be protected.

Where we are: Hysterically watching all of you walk this backward, inch by inch, foot by foot....

• The vax will protect you from catching covid.
• The vax may protect you from catching covid
• If you have the vax, you won't spread covid
• Breakthrough cases are incredibly rare
• But if you do get covid after have the jab, your viral load will be really low
• Some people with the vax are catching covid but it's really very rare
• OK...more people with the jab are catching and spreading COVID
• Umm...wait...75% of those in the Massachusetts outbreak had the vax!
• 40% of those infected in Israel were vaccinated
• Tests show the viral load the vaccinated are carrying is equal to those unvaccinated

Seems to me, what we've learned this week....those of you all who have had the vax should NOT be visiting Granny until you've had a PCR test because you're spreaders.

They aren't finding this data out about the naturally immune...I don't think.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Some TREMENDOUS news on Novavax. Written, even, by The Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way. Some of those people who have been wary of getting the mRNA vaccines may find Novavax more appealing.

The Novavax vaccine also has a substantially lower rate of side effects than the authorized mRNA vaccines. Last week’s data showed that about 40 percent of people who receive Novavax report fatigue after the second dose, as compared with 65 percent for Moderna and more than 55 percent for Pfizer. Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance. The CDC reported on Monday that, according to a survey conducted in the spring, only about half of adults under the age of 40 have gotten the vaccine or definitely intend to do so, and that, among the rest, 56 percent say they are concerned about side effects. Lower rates of adverse events are likely to be a bigger issue still for parents, when considering vaccination for their children.

But here’s what we know today, based on information that we have right now: Among several wonderful options, the more old-school vaccine from Novavax combines ease of manufacture with high efficacy and lower side effects. For the moment, it’s the best COVID-19 vaccine we have.

 

[madinsomniac]

NBC reporting that out of the 38 states that will release data, over 125,000 cases of covid among vaccinated people and over 1400 confirmable deaths from those people …

Pa among the states that refuses to release full data…

bear in mind that vaccinated case are probably several times higher since in most situations people aren’t getting tested after exposure with it unless they have severe symptoms… many medical facilities were instantly ruling it out if you were vaccinated until recently…

Its really hard to pin down good numbers for this siince they didn’t do thorough testing on the two mrnas and j&j

the best i can tell is j&j is probably around the 70% effectiveness it showed with the b and c variants, the other two never did any studies i can find on that…

On a sad related note one of my best friends who had heart surgery a couple months back and who had got pfizer after the j&j blood clotting fiasco just toldme his heart swelled a centimeter and may need another procedure… this may be surgery related but it also might be vaccine related.. they don’t know yet

with all the smoke about that side effect with pfizer and them being a pretty shady company to start out, I really cannot believe the cdc let it stay active while they formally investigate it….

especially since it seems to get worse as the patient is younger…

 

[madinsomniac]

Some TREMENDOUS news on Novavax. Written, even, by The Atlantic:

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way. Some of those people who have been wary of getting the mRNA vaccines may find Novavax more appealing.

The Novavax vaccine also has a substantially lower rate of side effects than the authorized mRNA vaccines. Last week’s data showed that about 40 percent of people who receive Novavax report fatigue after the second dose, as compared with 65 percent for Moderna and more than 55 percent for Pfizer. Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance. The CDC reported on Monday that, according to a survey conducted in the spring, only about half of adults under the age of 40 have gotten the vaccine or definitely intend to do so, and that, among the rest, 56 percent say they are concerned about side effects. Lower rates of adverse events are likely to be a bigger issue still for parents, when considering vaccination for their children.

But here’s what we know today, based on information that we have right now: Among several wonderful options, the more old-school vaccine from Novavax combines ease of manufacture with high efficacy and lower side effects. For the moment, it’s the best COVID-19 vaccine we have.

Yes ive had my eye on this…its easily the most safe theoretical process. Its also the process thats going to have the most data backing its safety…

rumors are though that they won’t offer it in the us and are going to ship it all overseas… if that happens then you know everyone is in the current vaccines’ back pocket…

 

[Vader]

The Novavax vaccine is a traditional vaccine that doesn't use mRNA. It's a standard protein protocol vaccine. Just BTW Novavax uses insect cells (moth) which allows your body to make antibodies and doesn't use your own muscle cells to make spike proteins from mRNA instructions.

I have no issues with this vaccine. Still testing to be done and it does take longer to produce than the mRNA vaccines. So my thinking is that somewhere before the end of the year we should start seeing it available to the public.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

For over a year, Trump convinced his supporters (you folks) that Covid was a hoax, that the scientists & doctors were incompetent and not to be trusted, and that masks were political virtue signaling.

This is why we are where we're at. It's not that complicated or mysterious.

He did not EVER say Covid was hoax. NEVER. He is right about masks 100%. Many doctors are incompetent which is why they carry huge insurance policies.
Biden on the other hand flat out lied recently when he stated you can't get Covid if you get the vaccine.

Just got off the phone with my 78 year old mother who now has Covid(presumably as she hasn't been tested yet) but had her vaccination pokes 3 months ago. According to your savior Joe that can't happen. Who the **** is the big liar now? She is in bed and has been since tuesday with a fever no appetite and a runny nose. She feels like **** but considering she has COPD and smokes she is doing pretty well, hopefully the damn vaccine did something. So for all the ******* real lies being told by this administration shut the **** up about Trump and worry about the goddamn idiot in charge now!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The Novavax vaccine is a traditional vaccine that doesn't use mRNA. It's a standard protein protocol vaccine. Just BTW Novavax uses insect cells (moth) which allows your body to make antibodies and doesn't use your own muscle cells to make spike proteins from mRNA instructions.

I have no issues with this vaccine. Still testing to be done and it does take longer to produce than the mRNA vaccines. So my thinking is that somewhere before the end of the year we should start seeing it available to the public.

They are coming out sooner than you think.

Novavax COVID-19 vaccine 90.4% effective in clinical trial, company says

Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial.

www.foxnews.com

The company said that following approval, it remains "on track to reach manufacturing capacity of 100 million doses per month by the end of the third quarter and 150 million doses per month by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021."

 

[Tibs]

Just got off the phone with my 78 year old mother who now has Covid.

WIshing your mom the best, hope she gets better soon.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Some TREMENDOUS news on Novavax. Written, even, by The Atlantic:

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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way. Some of those people who have been wary of getting the mRNA vaccines may find Novavax more appealing.

The Novavax vaccine also has a substantially lower rate of side effects than the authorized mRNA vaccines. Last week’s data showed that about 40 percent of people who receive Novavax report fatigue after the second dose, as compared with 65 percent for Moderna and more than 55 percent for Pfizer. Based on the results of Novavax’s first efficacy trial in the U.K., side effects (including but not limited to fatigue) aren’t just less frequent; they’re milder too. That’s a very big deal for people on hourly wages, who already bear a disproportionate risk of getting COVID-19, and who have been less likely to get vaccinated in part because of the risk of losing days of work to post-vaccine fever, pain, or malaise. Side effects are a big barrier for COVID-vaccine acceptance. The CDC reported on Monday that, according to a survey conducted in the spring, only about half of adults under the age of 40 have gotten the vaccine or definitely intend to do so, and that, among the rest, 56 percent say they are concerned about side effects. Lower rates of adverse events are likely to be a bigger issue still for parents, when considering vaccination for their children.

But here’s what we know today, based on information that we have right now: Among several wonderful options, the more old-school vaccine from Novavax combines ease of manufacture with high efficacy and lower side effects. For the moment, it’s the best COVID-19 vaccine we have.

That ****** needs out bf I’m required to get mine.

 

[Sarge]

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

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Who was that directed at

 

[Stainless]

The stupid ***** ?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

The stupid ***** ?

I read it wrong. The top was 2020 and the bottom was current. Whatever. Who is he / she anyways

 

[Stainless]

I can’t say that I understood it either. I didn’t notice the dates and I’m not familiar with the person.

 

[madinsomniac]

So its still right wing propaganda sheets fodder and has yet to be corroborated by anyone i trust, but European sources are saying that the contract for pfizer had a clause that demanded that pfizer had to be exempt from any laws that could criminally prosecute them in regards to the vaccine before it could be offered in their countries…

 

[Badcat]

Well ****. Looks like I’m about to be forced to get the poke. Company is mandating it.

Where do you live? In Pennsylvania you have a right to refuse based on Religious grounds. There are other states which have these laws in place. My Son just opted out of the mandatory vaccine mandate by his school, and it was approved by the University today.

 

[Vader]

They are coming out sooner than you think.

Novavax COVID-19 vaccine 90.4% effective in clinical trial, company says

Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial.

www.foxnews.com

The company said that following approval, it remains "on track to reach manufacturing capacity of 100 million doses per month by the end of the third quarter and 150 million doses per month by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021."

I hope you are right. That article is from June 14th. I just know protein based vaccines take longer to produce. I haven't seen anything from the company for awhile... which leads me to believe it may take a bit longer. I still think it will happen before the end of the year. Hopefully by the end of the 3rd qtr.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I hope you are right. That article is from June 14th. I just know protein based vaccines take longer to produce. I haven't seen anything from the company for awhile... which leads me to believe it may take a bit longer. I still think it will happen before the end of the year. Hopefully by the end of the 3rd qtr.

I hope I am too.

Articles I'm reading are saying the majority of it is going overseas. Maddening.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Where do you live? In Pennsylvania you have a right to refuse based on Religious grounds. There are other states which have these laws in place. My Son just opted out of the mandatory vaccine mandate by his school, and it was approved by the University today.

Pa. But wouldn’t I have to get some proof?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I was actually going to go down the medical route. I have chrons and with the inflammation issue with these MnRAs I feel it could kick start that. Not sure my doc would sign it however

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Wow, seriously, this **** needs to end. Virginia. Specifically, Northern VA, a bastion of liberal idiocy. George Mason University is mandating all students and professors be vaccinated before returing.

Law professor previously had COVID, has natural immunity, says I'm not getting it. So they won't let him return. So he is suing.

Time is showing natural immunity to be more powerful than the vax. Yet this push...this never-ending push...continues. It is beginning to appear more and more nefarious. Why are we mandating people who have natural immunity get the vax?

I pray he wins his suit.

George Mason University goes mandatory… Law professor threatens to sue…

Law Professor Todd Zywicki with Laura Ingraham on Thursday (LifeSiteNews) — A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the ins…

citizenfreepress.com

A George Mason University (GMU) law professor who has recovered from COVID-19 is threatening to sue the institution for requiring him to take a COVID-19 vaccine despite his natural immunity.

GMU is requiring all students to be fully vaccinated by August 1 before returning to campus, and all faculty to have received at least one dose by August 15 and be fully vaccinated by October 1, except for individuals with an “approved medical or religious exemption.”

The Epoch Times reports that the New Civil Liberties Alliance is representing Todd Zywicki, a professor at GMU’s Scalia Law School who has already contracted and recovered from Covid, against what it calls a “flawed reopening policy” that “tramples on the civil liberties of students, faculty, and employees alike.”

“For Professor Zywicki, who has recovered from COVID-19 and acquired robust natural immunity, it is not only medically unnecessary to undergo a vaccination procedure at the current time, but doing so also would create a risk of harm to him,” the NCLA explained in a July 21 letter warning of potential litigation. “Although the Policy may be well-intentioned, GMU has breached its constitutional and ethical obligations by interfering with health decisions that should reside with individuals and their medical providers.”

“George Mason is forcing me to choose between serving my students on one hand and undergoing an unnecessary and potentially risky medical procedure on the other,” Zywicki himself said. “Multiple clinical studies have shown that natural immunity provides at least as much protection against reinfection as the most effective vaccines.”

While it is not yet known whether natural immunity lasts an entire lifetime, multiple studies have found the presence of antibodies in patients’ systems up to a year after infection, as well as indications that natural immunity may be more effective than vaccinated immunity.

“There is more data on natural immunity than there is on vaccinated immunity, because natural immunity has been around longer,” says Dr. Marty Makary, professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who believes natural COVID immunity will “probably” be life-long. “We are not seeing reinfections, and when they do happen, they’re rare. Their symptoms are mild or are asymptomatic.”