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I'm going to look into this more. If this is true...holy ****.
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I'm going to look into this more. If this is true...holy ****.
except when they're not.“Exceedingly clear” accept the science…
These charts show that COVID-19 vaccines are doing their job
COVID-19 shots may not always prevent infections, but for now, they are keeping the vast majority of vaccinated people out of the hospital.www.sciencenews.org
KISS Frontman Gene Simmons Tests Positive For COVID, But Irvine Concert Still On
KISS frontman Gene Simmons has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing "mild" symptoms, the band announced Tuesday.
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IRVINE (CBSLA) — KISS frontman Gene Simmons has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing “mild” symptoms, the band announced Tuesday.
The band has postponed its next four tour dates but plans to return to the stage for its show on September 9 at FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine.
“While Paul Stanley recently tweeted that he has recovered from COVID, Gene Simmons has now tested positive and is experiencing mild symptoms,” the band said in a statement on its website. “The band and crew will remain at home and isolate for the next 10 days.”
According to the statement, the band should be able to resume their tour beginning with the show at the FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine.
The four postponed shows are in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin.
We are postponing the next four tour dates. All previously purchased tickets will be honored for the new dates once announced. More information will be emailed to ticketholders directly. pic.twitter.com/b28fmrhWIe
All previously purchased tickets will be honored for the new dates once announced. More information will be emailed to ticketholders directly, the band said.
Simmons, 72, is an outspoken supporter of COVID vaccines and vaccine mandates. The band previously has said all of its members and tour crew are fully vaccinated.
Because you as always miss the point of the discussion.
Vaccine effectiveness is in fact without argument undeniably waning.
I have said the vaccines help.
The point is the vaccines effectiveness is NOT what we were told it would be and their effectiveness IS dropping. Thus, I'm highlighting supporting evidence that says so because your religion tells you this isn't happening.
JFC!
Is the # of cases, hospitalizations, deaths on the rise among the vaccinated? YES
Is there evidence of, and is the scientific community telling us the vaccines' effectiveness is waning? YES
Are breakthrough infections now rising rapidly in the USA? YES
The articles I posted last night show, around the globe, around the country - those vaccinated are getting infected more now than before, getting more sick now than before, dying more now than before.
But forget trends, forget math, forget being intelligent enough to spot it. Medical Doctors and Scientists have told you - THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE VACCINES IS WANING and this is why you see a rise. Why do you need a booster? THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE VACCINES IS WANING
One more time in case you missed it:
Drop the mic. Case over. Be a denier all you like.
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President Biden: If you get the jab, you won't get Corona.
We were told early on, take the jab, stop the spread. The vaccinated are spreading Covid.
Context Flogged. When discussing the efficacy of the vaccines, one measurement is spread. The other is physically protecting you, the recipient, from the virus.
How do you measure spread? CASES. Dipshit. The waning vaccines are failing (utterly) in the transmission/spread department.
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If you listen to that, it doesn't "wipe out your immune system." It destroys natural antibodies to COVID. Supposedly. I'd like to see something scientific to back that up. I mean, if I found out it were true, it wouldn't surprise me in the least, but I'd like to see something other than some chick riding in her car with a sound that could be anything created by anyone as proof.
WV Governor Jim Justice:
‘We have seen a 26% increase in deaths of people who are fully vaccinated over the last 8 weeks’
Watch the video inside.
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‘We have seen a 26% increase in deaths of people who are fully vaccinated over the last 8 weeks’
Watch the video inside.
‘We have seen a 25% increase in deaths of people who are FULLY Vaccinated’…
West Virginia Governor Jim Justice ‘We have seen a 25% increase in deaths of people who are fully vaccinated over the last 8 weeks’
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Take this for what it is worth. I too was just looking for info on this. I have to run to a meeting. Maybe someone can actually look at the Q&A on the Red Cross website.
RED CROSS WEBSITE
Due to the decline in hospital demand and because the Red Cross and our industry partners have been able to build a sufficient supply of convalescent plasma to meet the foreseeable needs of COVID-19 patients the Red Cross stopped collecting convalescent plasma completely on June 14.
Notice how the Red Cross does NOT deny that the vaccine wipes out natural antibodies in those who have had the vaccine, but instead they tell you the claim is not “accurate” because they have stopped accepting plasma since enough plasma has already been collected and they don’t need anymore.
This is highly deceptive language which will deflect the truth from anyone not paying close attention to the parsing. The questions directly above this one in the Q and A tell you straight up that the plasma is different and …. WAIT FOR IT …. that only the plasma from the UNVACCINATED meets their requirements:
“One of the Red Cross requirements for plasma from routine blood and platelet donations that test positive for high-levels of antibodies to be used as convalescent plasma is that it must be from a donor that has not received a COVID-19 vaccine. This is to ensure that antibodies collected from donors have sufficient antibodies directly related to their immune response to a COVID-19 infection and not just the vaccine, as antibodies from an infection and antibodies from a vaccine are not the same.”
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Damn Trog. Is your *** sore yet from the whooping it is taking?
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So, a vaccinated 72 year-old (at risk demographic) outspoken vaccine supporter is experiencing mild Covid symptoms. Sounds like the vaccine is working.except when they're not.
KISS Frontman Gene Simmons Tests Positive For COVID, But Irvine Concert Still On
KISS frontman Gene Simmons has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing "mild" symptoms, the band announced Tuesday.
IRVINE (CBSLA) — KISS frontman Gene Simmons has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing “mild” symptoms, the band announced Tuesday.
The band has postponed its next four tour dates but plans to return to the stage for its show on September 9 at FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine.
“While Paul Stanley recently tweeted that he has recovered from COVID, Gene Simmons has now tested positive and is experiencing mild symptoms,” the band said in a statement on its website. “The band and crew will remain at home and isolate for the next 10 days.”
According to the statement, the band should be able to resume their tour beginning with the show at the FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine.
The four postponed shows are in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin.
We are postponing the next four tour dates. All previously purchased tickets will be honored for the new dates once announced. More information will be emailed to ticketholders directly. pic.twitter.com/b28fmrhWIe
All previously purchased tickets will be honored for the new dates once announced. More information will be emailed to ticketholders directly, the band said.
Simmons, 72, is an outspoken supporter of COVID vaccines and vaccine mandates. The band previously has said all of its members and tour crew are fully vaccinated.
Do you think he regrets getting vaccinated? What’s your point?
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No, health officials (which you are not) are advocating boosters because it’s waning. Regardless, there are still benefits of being vaccinated (which you are not).
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If the vaccine prevents serious illness, what’s the big problem with the virus being spread? The unvaccinated.
So you admit the vaccines' effectiveness are waning????????????????
No I'm not. I'm far better protected with Natural Immunity. Better protected than you. Less a danger than you.
So you are admitting it is a therapeutic and not a vaccine.
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So YOU lied? You’ve had Covid? Lets hope your natural immunity better than your twice infected kid’s natural immunity. Why on earth are you constantly getting tested? Me thinks you’ve lied about one or more things somewhere along the way…So you admit the vaccines' effectiveness are waning????????????????
No I'm not. I'm far better protected with Natural Immunity. Better protected than you. Less a danger than you.
he's vaccinated
as is the band
and the crew
yet 50% of the band has or has had Covid
we were told that this was not ever going to be possible.
now? oh, now you can still get the virus and it can still put you down.
yet you disagree.
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A therapeutic? Seriously?
If it was a therapeutic, why wouldn’t they give it to the unvaccinated ICU patients who beg for it instead of telling them it’s too late?
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We were told it was 90% effective at preventing serious illness. What’s the problem with Simmons having mild symptoms?
so you're dragging the corrupt potato you voted for?
BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
and you can now see why people have a serious distrust of the government? which leads to various wormholes and conspiracy theories?
or are you still an unrealistic *****?
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It is always disappointing when we realize that things change, that we don't know everything, and can't anticipate everything etc. Personally, I'm glad to be vaxxed. Everything I've seen indicates it was the correct decision, at least for me, and I've seen nothing that makes me regret my decision. My biggest disappointment was learning that the VAERS report regarding a Hulk transformation wasn't associated with the COVID vaccines, and was likely BS anyway.
Having said that, when I heard that the vaccines were 90+% effective at doing whatever it is that they do, I did believe that meant a perpetual 100%. My math teacher sucked, and that's only compounded by the fact I'm not very bright.
Having said that, when I heard that the vaccines were 90+% effective at doing whatever it is that they do, I did believe that meant a perpetual 100%. My math teacher sucked, and that's only compounded by the fact I'm not very bright.
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Once again, the higher the percentage of a population that is vaccinated, the higher the percentage of infections that will occur in the vaccinated. I know it sounds counterintuitive. There just aren't that many unvaccinated people left to infect, particularly in elderly populations that are both most likely to be vaccinated, and most likely to be hospitalized.What the hell?
Uptick in vaccinated COVID-19 patients at Sarasota Memorial prompting public concern
The hospital had 272 COVID-19 patients Tuesday, compared with 277 Monday and a record 291 on Sunday.www.heraldtribune.com
Sarasota Memorial Hospital is seeing an increase in the number of COVID-19 patients who are vaccinated, including those sick enough to land in the intensive care unit, prompting public concern and raising questions about the need for booster shots.
As of Monday, Sarasota Memorial had 47 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, including seven in the ICU and five on ventilators. At the start of last week the hospital had 28 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, with just one in the ICU on a ventilator.
Currently, 17% of Sarasota Memorial’s COVID-19 patients are vaccinated, up from 10% a week ago.
This is one way data gets twisted. The proper comparison would be the percentage of unvaccinated people who get hospitalized vs. the percentage of vaccinated people who get hospitalized. Not what percentage of hospitalized people are vaccinated. Again, if 100% of people were vaccinated,100% of hospitalizations would be in the vaccinated.
that's the point.
we have idiots like Heckle and Jeckle on this forum screaming to get the vax, that it will prevent you from getting serious complications. whereas previously they were fully on board with precisely what government officials - like POTUS Biden - were saying you cannot get the virus if you get the vax
at the same time we're being told all of this, we're seeing the virus mutate and become either better at what it does or worse.
while also being told that natural immunity is not any part of the equation, essentially irrelevant to any and all discussions regarding the NewChinaFlu.
the people telling us all this from the government perspective are all so intertwined that it's like peeling an onion covered ball of ****.
fact of the matter is that this "vaccine" should have never been touted as a vaccine. it should have - and should be - pushed as a preventive type of medicine. it's 100% not a vaccine. that's proven science that has settled.
case in point - this "vaccine" was expedited to the market after in what, a year? so within a year (or two, if we want to stretch the timeline), scientists were able to produce a vaccine that will prevent the spread, prevent people from getting the virus and is 100% healthy and a-ok.
meanwhile, Johnson & Johnson has been working for years on a working vaccine for HIV, which has failed in the its first efficacy phase, using the same mRNA basis as the KungFlu vax.
IMO - if you feel you are in any at-risk group of acquiring the virus, then get the shot so you do not suffer any of the severe symptoms. back in April, I got the shot so that I would not spread the virus to elderly family. Now, it seems the vax does nothing to prevent the spread. I'm not in any "at-risk" group since I work from home 3 days per week, and generally avoid large crowds anyway.
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Not true.
COVID-19 vaccines do not wipe out antibodies
CLAIM: The Red Cross says if you recovered from COVID-19 and had a vaccine, you cannot donate blood plasma because the vaccine wipes out natural antibodies. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
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CLAIM: The Red Cross says if you recovered from COVID-19 and had a vaccine, you cannot donate blood plasma because the vaccine wipes out natural antibodies.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Red Cross did not make that statement. The organization is accepting blood and plasma donations from people who have been vaccinated, but has discontinued an earlier initiative to collect convalescent plasma from recovered COVID-19 to treat those with the virus. Experts say COVID-19 vaccines do not wipe out natural antibodies from COVID-19, and instead boost antibodies.
THE FACTS: As of March 26, the Red Cross discontinued the dedicated collection of COVID-19 convalescent plasma due to declining demand from hospitals and a sufficient industry supply. Posts online are now misrepresenting the change and are spreading the false claim that the Red Cross is no longer taking any plasma donations from those who have had the COVID-19 virus and received a vaccine.
Social media users are sharing a February clip from KMOV-4, a CBS-affiliate news station in Missouri, where the anchor incorrectly says that because COVID-19 vaccines wipe out natural antibodies, the Red Cross is no longer accepting convalescent plasma from people who are vaccinated.
“If you have had covid and recovered you can donate plasma to help save lifes UNLESS YOU GET THE VACCINE after having recovered,” reads an inaccurate tweet that shared the video.
Posts with the video were widely shared across Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.
Red Cross spokeswoman Katie Wilkes told The Associated Press that the information included in the broadcast about the vaccine wiping out natural antibodies was inaccurate. She said the Red Cross had reached out to the news station to correct the information.
Wilkes also said that even though the dedicated convalescent plasma program was discontinued, vaccinated people are still able to participate in blood drives. “In most cases, you can donate blood, platelets and plasma after a COVID-19 vaccine as long as you’re feeling healthy and well,” she said.
KMOV-4 updated their story on May 27 after the AP contacted the station.
“Today News4 updated a story we reported in February,” a station spokesperson said in an email. “At that time, a representative of the American Red Cross said the organization’s policy was to discourage convalescent plasma donations from donors who previously had COVID-19 and were then vaccinated because of a then-belief about antibodies.”
Experts say the recent posts about antibodies get it all wrong. Dr. C. Buddy Creech, a Vanderbilt University vaccine expert, said there is no reason to suspect that COVID-19 vaccines would diminish antibodies. In fact, vaccines should amplify them.
Vaccines produce a more consistent immune response to the coronavirus, since mild infections lead to lower antibody levels than more severe infections, Creech explained.
“This is why those who have been infected still benefit from vaccination; that vaccine will then serve to boost the immune response that was made during the initial infection,” Creech said in an email.
Matthew Frieman, associate professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, agreed.
“If you were previously infected and then get vaccinated, the antibodies you produce are going to only be boosted for the Spike protein, the only viral protein in the vaccines,” Frieman said in an email.
In April, the Red Cross refuted earlier false claims that the organization would not accept plasma donations from people who have had the COVID-19 vaccine.
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It's not preventing serious illness in those vaccinated. Hit your back button read the news I'm sharing with you. Pull thine head from thine *** and open thine eyes.
40% of Hospitalized patients in PGH hospitals - VACCINATED
Jerusalem Hospital - 90% vaccinated patients.
What did I provide you with, a dozen links last night on the vaccinated not only spreading the virus but becoming seriously ill?
Now some more education for you, which you won't read. Pfizer's own data...THEIR TEST DATA...shows over time, the efficacy of their jabs falls quickly.
Peter Doshi:
The vaccine efficacy fell 25% in ONE MONTH in Israel. Israelis are primarily all given the Pfizer jab.
Hmmm....so the efficacy of the vax in Israel is now 11 points below FDA minimum standards for an approvable vax.
Doshi further explains that Delta variant is not the reason we are seeing a drop in efficacy of the Pfizer jabs:
@madinsomniac probably knows or is aware of this information:
Odd, that.