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College football 12/3/16

So just to be clear, schedule cupcakes out of conference and just get the wins. Oh and winning the conference championship? Don't worry about that either. Still nothing more than an opinionated poll picking teams with less voters.

Its a moot point anyways because the winner of Clemson OSU will just be the sacrificial lamb for Bama.
 
I think the committee got it right. I don't like OSU in there being a non champion but whatever. Maybe at #4. Losing to Pitt early is what cost Penn State. Even more than the Michigan game. PSU is a year or two ahead of schedule. Disappointed as I am, this is still a lot of fun.
 
jitter77 said:
To make it simple here we go. As of last week The Big Ten has the #2 team, the #5 team, the #6 team, and the #7 team. PSU won the conference. If you remove "Big Ten" and replace it with "SEC" would there be any argument about putting the conference winner in the playoff. The answer is no. I just dont see how the committee can leave PSU out.
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In this scenario, Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan would all get in if the had SEC on their jersey
 
They picked 4 teams and yet the Rose Bowl Penn State vs USC could feature the 2 best teams in the country right now.
 
Well, it's over an done with. Let's go, an win the ************* Rose Bowl. And be the #2 ranked team in the country. I'll be ok with with that.
 
str8liner said:
So just to be clear, schedule cupcakes out of conference and just get the wins. Oh and winning the conference championship? Don't worry about that either. Still nothing more than an opinionated poll picking teams with less voters.

Its a moot point anyways because the winner of Clemson OSU will just be the sacrificial lamb for Bama.
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That's what bothers me. Where is Washington's big win? They have none. The chairman pointed to Stanford, Utah and Wash State, then Colorado. The only team that might be something in there is Colorado and their QB got hurt in the game vs Wash. Michigan pounded Colorado.

I don't see how you compare that to Penn State's wins over Ohio State and Wisconsin. That Wisconsin win was one of the most impressive wins you'll ever see. Wisconsin was one of the top defenses in the nation. PSU is down by 21 points and they climb back to dominate the second half and win.

A few weeks ago, i was actually thinking it might be better if PSU got in the Rose instead of the playoff because i didn't think they had a shot to compete in the playoff. But now i think they could beat Bama. Why not? Penn State has improved so much in the last month. They have weapons everywhere.

Wisconsin effectively took away Penn State's best weapon, RB Saquon Barkley. They forced PSU to pass to win. Hell, even in the NFL most teams struggle when their Plan A is taken away. That's the whole Patriots philosophy. THey force teams to use Plan B and most can't.

Penn State adjusted and destroyed Wisconsin with their Plan B.

Not only did Wisc take away Barkley, but they tried to take away top WR Chris Godwin.

For those who don't watch PSU often, that WR Saed Blacknall who had the big game has not played that much all year. He's like Penn State's Sammie Coates. Some big plays, but inconsistent. This guy may have finally emerged.


On a side note, i wish the Steelers could play with even 25% of the heart that Penn State plays with.
 
Big Ben Rules said:
Well, it's over an done with. Let's go, an win the ************* Rose Bowl. And be the #2 ranked team in the country. I'll be ok with with that.
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Penn State will likely play the best team in the Pac 12, USC. The team that dominated Washington. USC's season was very similar to Penn State's. They are also coming off sanctions and have a young team. They both lost games early while figuring things out.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
As the chairman said, in one loss PSU wasn't competitive (UM) and the other loss was to an 8-4 team (Pitt). They made their resume, and have to live with it. By comparison, tOSU lost a competitive game, on the road, to the eventual conference champion. The chairman did say, had PSU not lost one of those games, it wouldn't have been a close decision. (Between PSU and Washington. tOSU would have still been in) So, that Pitt game that some of y'all wanted to excuse away ... well, the committee didn't feel that way.
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Who would have thought at the time, that dropped TD pass against Pitt, would ultimately cost PSU a shot at a National Championship.

If they play USC in the Rose Bowl that game might feature two teams that could most likely beat 3 of the 4 teams in the playoffs the way they are playing right now.
 
Washington getting in is a bad precedent... Rutgers, Idaho, and Portland St... that is who they challenged themselves with... Oklahoma, Penn St., and Michigan are all more deserving.
 
str8liner said:
Who would have thought at the time, that dropped TD pass against Pitt, would ultimately cost PSU a shot at a National Championship.

If they play USC in the Rose Bowl that game might feature two teams that could most likely beat 3 of the 4 teams in the playoffs the way they are playing right now.
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Next few years should see some epic battles in the B1G. Well, at least the Eastern Division. tOSU, PSU, ttun and maybe Mich. St. if they rebound. The Eastern Division could be a dogfight each year. The Western Division? Wisconsin and the rest. Whoever split these divisions up ... smh. Wisconsin has almost an open door to the Championship Game every year. Meanwhile you have at least 4 teams that could be slugging it out on the Eastern side.
 
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SteelBuckeye said:
We didn't have to make the argument ... the committee made it for us. Now, let's not forget that the PSU loss was AT Happy Valley and it wasn't a blowout loss. Needless to say, I agree with the committee's choice to place tOSU above PSU.

Now, let the whining begin.
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You only agree with it because Ohio State isn't the Big10 champ. If it were the other way around, you'd be whining.

I actually think this has more to do with pre-season expectations than it does the 2nd loss. If Ohio State had a second loss but still managed to win the Big 10, I think the committee would be overlooking it.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Next few years should see some epic battles in the B1G. Well, at least the Eastern Division. tOSU, PSU, ttun and maybe Mich. St. if they rebound. The Eastern Division could be a dogfight each year. The Western Division? Wisconsin and the rest. Whoever split these divisions up ... smh. Wisconsin has almost an open door to the Championship Game every year. Meanwhile you have at least 4 teams that could be slugging it out on the Eastern side.
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The problem is that you can't split OSU and Michigan up, or they won't play every year. UM and MSU also want to play every year. That is your problem. This is what happened in the B12 when they split OK and Nebraska. It killed one of College football's classic rivalries. OSU and Michigan will never let that happen. The thing to do would be to send PSU, Rutgers, and Maryland west, but OSU and Michigan wouldn't like that because one of the big selling points for expansion was that those 2 teams would be playing in DC and Metro NY every other year. Expand the playoff to 8 teams and you solve most of the problems. Five conference champs, plus 3 wild cards.
 
Troglodyte said:
You only agree with it because Ohio State isn't the Big10 champ. If it were the other way around, you'd be whining.

I actually think this has more to do with pre-season expectations than it does the 2nd loss. If Ohio State had a second loss but still managed to win the Big 10, I think the committee would be overlooking it.
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Yes this is my problem...Change PSU to tOSU or change PSU to Alabama and i would bet they would get in and no one would bat an eye. I don't really care one way or the other, but just don't think the system is right
 
SteelBuckeye said:
The chairman did say, had PSU not lost one of those games, it wouldn't have been a close decision. (Between PSU and Washington. tOSU would have still been in)
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Why didn't he just come out and say they were steadfastly biased in favor of Ohio State no matter what?
 
Troglodyte said:
You only agree with it because Ohio State isn't the Big10 champ. If it were the other way around, you'd be whining.

I actually think this has more to do with pre-season expectations than it does the 2nd loss. If Ohio State had a second loss but still managed to win the Big 10, I think the committee would be overlooking it.
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Well, let's be honest. If the situation were reversed, both fan bases would be making the exact opposite argument. The Penn St. folks would be saying 11-1 beats 11-2, and the OSU folks would be screaming head to head, conference champs.
 
steelermania said:
Well, let's be honest. If the situation were reversed, both fan bases would be making the exact opposite argument. The Penn St. folks would be saying 11-1 beats 11-2, and the OSU folks would be screaming head to head, conference champs.
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Given the comments, I think we have reason to believe the committee would have given Ohio State a pass had they had a second loss. I think part of the decision was based on what they thought four months ago.
 
Although I don't like it, I have to agree with the final 4.

And an asterisk is fitting if OSU wins the national championship...

2016 National Champions Ohio State Buckeyes*






*Lost to the Champs of their own conference.
 
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tapeANaspirin2it said:
That's what bothers me. Where is Washington's big win? They have none. The chairman pointed to Stanford, Utah and Wash State, then Colorado. The only team that might be something in there is Colorado and their QB got hurt in the game vs Wash. Michigan pounded Colorado.
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TV ratings. PSU gets in over Washington and nobody west of the Mississippi watches the semi-final games.
 
Troglodyte said:
You only agree with it because Ohio State isn't the Big10 champ. If it were the other way around, you'd be whining.

I actually think this has more to do with pre-season expectations than it does the 2nd loss. If Ohio State had a second loss but still managed to win the Big 10, I think the committee would be overlooking it.
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Ummm ... You don't know know me well enough to make that assertion. Now, if you are saying what YOU would do if you were in my shoes ... Anyway, as I stated a few days ago, I was fine with whatever the committee chose to do (while hoping tOSU made it). For the simple fact that very few of us Buckeye fans expected this team to be as competitive as it was this year due to the inordinate number of Freshman/Sophomores starting.
 
Troglodyte said:
Why didn't he just come out and say they were steadfastly biased in favor of Ohio State no matter what?
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He did when he said last week that as the committee viewed it, the choice between PSU and tOSU wasn't even a close one. Then he said this week that the choice for the 4th spot was between PSU and Wash. NOT tOSU. So, if any PSU fans are upset about the decision, they should be mad that Wash., with a definitely weaker schedule was awarded the 4th spot. Not that tOSU is in. The committee warned you that they would be in last week ... and the week before that.
 
PSU lost 2 games. End of story. And if we're going to whine about conference champions not winning the national championship, you shouldn't watch the NCAA basketball tournament.

BTW, I'm not a fan of any team in the discussion.
 
Michigan has no gripe. I don't have a team in the hunt, but I'm alright with it for the most part. The SOS thing is overrated. What a college team looks like late November is completely different than early October.
 
scstillerfan said:
And if we're going to whine about conference champions not winning the national championship, you shouldn't watch the NCAA basketball tournament..
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So the field of 68 (or whatever) excludes some conference champions? If not, I don't see your point.
 
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