Coates vs Golson. Video shown.

[Vader]

Every DB on the Steelers got beat deep last year. Some more than once.

 

[Coach]

I saw him get beat deep in games, sometimes just being able to run fast is not enough, you need to know where to run. He was with the receiver when he made the catch but I still call that getting beat deep.

I do think that getting corners that were bigger and faster and covered better would have been a better choice but that player was not available. One other thing to keep in mind with the guys we did get, they were playing in college with the guys that everyone else wanted and intercepted more passes so there is that. It would be nice to look at one or two interceptions a game for a change. Bilicheat found out that wining the turnover game was a big contributor in overall wins. The steelers discovered a way to do it with in the rules, draft players that can intercept the ball.

One can hope. In many cases there are great college DB's that are just too marginal in the measureless / timed drills to duplicate similar results in the NFL.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

One can hope. In many cases there are great college DB's that are just too marginal in the measureless / timed drills to duplicate similar results in the NFL.

And in many cases there are great PROFESSIONAL players on offense and defense who did not have great measurables in shorts, but they are just great "football players". We tend to get a little to hung up on the measurables at times and forget about what the tape shows us.

 

[bermudasteel]

Steel,

It isn't fast for a corner either. If Golson was 6 feet tall, with longer arms, and a better vertical, he would be fine at 4.46

But when you are under 5'9", I think you need to me faster and be able to jump a bit higher.

For example Brice McCain was 5'9', 185 pounds. He is a shade taller than Golson, had a 3" edge on the vertical, and is about 9 pounds heavier. The main difference was McCain had world class 4.33 speed, same as Mike Wallace. No one is going to burn him deep

Golson to me just give too much up in terms of height, weight, leaping ability, and won't be able to match up vs the faster WR's in the NFL. As such he's not scheme versatile player. I think he's a nice slot corner or shot zone guy.

Personally I wish we kept McCain and used the draft pick on another player.

On another note, we really do not have much speed or height at the cornerback positon. We are suspect on sideline passes, jump balls, and red zone coverage vs. taller players, and only Blake has enough speed to be trusted deep in man. Designing a defensive system to mask these mis-matches and one that might have 1-2 rookies playing a lot will not be easy.

Tell me, what was Richard Sherman's 40 time???

 

[fogdoctor]

And in many cases there are great PROFESSIONAL players on offense and defense who did not have great measurables in shorts, but they are just great "football players". We tend to get a little to hung up on the measurables at times and forget about what the tape shows us.

Which great professionals had poor measurable elements in the post-Mike Mamula combine era?

I would say exactly the opposite: I would only look at the tape of college players that performed reasonably well at the combine to confirm that the performance on the field was consistent. I would even go as far as to say that, on average, if you just draft the bigger, stronger, faster players from the combine at any given position you will do better than watching tape, college stats, or feel.

 

[fogdoctor]

Tell me, what was Richard Sherman's 40 time???

Combine or pro day?

At 6'3" and 200 he ran a 4.5.

4.6 at the combine if I am not mistaken.

 

[Coach]

Tell me, what was Richard Sherman's 40 time???

He ran a 4.50 at at the combine and a 4.49 for his pro day. .03 slower than Golson if you will.

Only 1 of 64 starters at cornerback is under 5"9" tall. In addition Sherman was much taller, weights a lot more, jumped better, and hand longer arms. As such Sherman is an outside defender, red zone defense, and jump ball defender with the ability to play bump and run, man, or off man.

I think Golson has slightly better than average speed for the position, however he's well below average in terms of height, vertical leap, arm length, and weight. I like him as a slot guy, but think the Steelers reached a bit in round two as Goldon is limited on where he should be deployed.

pro day,
Richard Sherman, CB/FS, Stanford
Height: 6-3. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Combine 40 Time: 4.50.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.49.
Benchx225: 16. Vertical: 37.5. Arm: 32.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/proday2011march18.php#yOXQlbhx2QtUZH7g.99

 

[Coach]

And in many cases there are great PROFESSIONAL players on offense and defense who did not have great measurables in shorts, but they are just great "football players". We tend to get a little to hung up on the measurables at times and forget about what the tape shows us.

Yes and no. I would agree measures matter a lot for the cornerback positon. How many great " football players " these days are 176 pounds?

 

[SteelerAl]

I like him as a slot guy, but think the Steelers reached a bit in round two as Goldon is limited on where he should be deployed.

Here's one sentence that summarizes Coach's opinion. The good news is that we get to read another 3,000 posts from him on this subject that could all be boiled down into this one sentence.

 

[SteelerAl]

Yes and no. I would agree measures matter a lot for the cornerback positon. How many great " football players " these days are 176 pounds?

He's a second round pick - it's a win if he's a good nickel CB. We didn't spend the #2 overall pick on this guy...get some perspective.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Which great professionals had poor measurable elements in the post-Mike Mamula combine era?

I would say exactly the opposite: I would only look at the tape of college players that performed reasonably well at the combine to confirm that the performance on the field was consistent. I would even go as far as to say that, on average, if you just draft the bigger, stronger, faster players from the combine at any given position you will do better than watching tape, college stats, or feel.

I know there's a lot of hate for the guy, but Suggs did not have great measurables. He's been a great pro by any definition. Hines Ward did not have great measurables and he had a medical flag. I mean you can look up and down NFL rosters to see these guys.

Don't get it twisted, I wasn't saying measurables don't count. What I was saying is that they are only part of the equation. Maybe you misread the part where I said we tend to at times "forget what the tape shows us". That means, tape is important.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Yes and no. I would agree measures matter a lot for the cornerback positon. How many great " football players " these days are 176 pounds?

Soooooo, you think he's gonna stay at 176 Lbs for his entire career. OK.

In any event, it will be interesting to see if you are right or Carnell Lake, Tomlin and Colbert are. I'm sure you'll forgive me if I hope that it's them.

 

[Coach]

Soooooo, you think he's gonna stay at 176 Lbs for his entire career. OK.

In any event, it will be interesting to see if you are right or Carnell Lake, Tomlin and Colbert are. I'm sure you'll forgive me if I hope that it's them.

I hope i'm wrong. Yes I expect him to play close to his college weight. He can add weight, but it will slow him down if he adds too much.

Carnell Lake gushes about new players. He loved S. Thomas, and Cortez Allen. Neither developed. Any talk right now about rookie players is "coachspeak " hype. The below link states under Lake the DB's have not been great.

http://steelcurtainrising.com/2015/...ke-effect-tomlin-butler-lebeau-turnover.html/

 

[Coach]

He's a second round pick - it's a win if he's a good nickel CB. We didn't spend the #2 overall pick on this guy...get some perspective.

AL,

If you spend a 2nd round pick on anyone, he should not be #3rd on the depth chart. That is not a win. I have perspective.

The Steelers are not going to be active in terms of acquiring accomplished veteran free agents. It's all about the draft. When you spend 2nd and 3rd round picks on players who do not start unless an injury hits....Spense, Archer, Adams, Thomas ( Steelers gave up a 3rd to acquire him ), and Brown it catches up to you. We need more 2nd round picks like Bell or Gilbert. Guys who start and make a difference.

If Golosn is just a 3rd or 4th CB by his third season, the pick is a bad one for round two. I'll stand on that statement.

 

[ark steel]

Unless I screwed up the search, this is the list of CB's taken in the second round (after pick 50) since 2000. Sorted by AV (from profootballreference).

AV >=1
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[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Deon Grant
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2001
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-57
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]176
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]161
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]267
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]110
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]78
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Sheldon Brown
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2002
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-59
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]175
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]144
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]419
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]147
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]67
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Nick Collins
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-51
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]GNB
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]507
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]52
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Michael Lewis
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2002
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2010
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-58
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]128
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]108
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]167
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]51
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Tim Jennings
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]131
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]279
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]78
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]50
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Bernard Pollard
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-54
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]126
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]106
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]180
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]43
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Madieu Williams
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-56
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]119
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]102
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]149
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]42
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Josh Wilson
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-55
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]118
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]296
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]78
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]39
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Richard Marshall
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-58
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]124
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]405
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]38
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Sean Jones
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-59
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]107
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]192
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]37
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Andre Dyson
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2001
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-60
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]80
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]329
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]81
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]36
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Bryan Scott
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-55
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]143
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]176
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]36
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]13
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Sean Smith
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-61
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]95
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]186
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]75
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]36
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]14
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Eric Wright
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-53
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]92
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]81
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]314
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]36
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Shawntae Spencer
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-58
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]100
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]31
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]16
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Bryant McFadden
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]86
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]29
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]17
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Ronald Bartell
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-50
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]102
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]28
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Travis Fisher
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2002
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-64
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]90
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]260
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]28
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]19
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]William Moore
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-55
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]ATL
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]260
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]33
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]28
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Gary Baxter
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2001
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]94
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]22
[/TD]
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[TH="colspan: 4"]Misc
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[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]TD
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]PD
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Yrs
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]PB
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]AP1
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]AV
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Kelvin Hayden
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-60
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]101
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]256
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]22
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Terrence Kiel
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]SDG
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]21
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]23
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Jon McGraw
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2002
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-57
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]122
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]24
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]21
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]24
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Terrell Thomas
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2008
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-63
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NYG
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]221
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]20
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]25
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Michael Boulware
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-53
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]28
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]177
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]26
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Mike Doss
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2008
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-58
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]102
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]27
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Sherrod Martin
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-59
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]18
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]28
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Marcus Gilchrist
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-50
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]SDG
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]16
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]29
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Justin Miller
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-57
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]15
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]William Bartee
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2000
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-54
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]KAN
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]31
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Travares Tillman
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2000
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-58
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]29
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]14
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]32
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Gerald Alexander
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-61
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]93
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]11
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]33
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Sabby Piscitelli
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-64
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]144
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]11
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]34
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]D.J. Swearinger
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-57
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]HTX
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]32
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]35
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]David Amerson
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-51
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]WAS
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]31
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]36
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Tony Dixon
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2001
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-56
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]DAL
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]37
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Darrent Williams
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-56
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]DEN
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]27
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]145
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]9
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]38
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Javier Arenas
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2010
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-50
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]39
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Robert Alford
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-60
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]ATL
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]26
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Jaiquawn Jarrett
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-54
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]6
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead over_header"]
[TH="colspan: 7"][/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 2, align: center"]Games
[/TH]
[TH="class: bold_text, colspan: 4, align: center"]Def Interceptions
[/TH]
[TH="colspan: 4"]Misc
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: thead"]
[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk
[/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"][/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc, align: center"]From
[/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc, align: center"]To
[/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Draft
[/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm
[/TH]
[TH="class: sort_default_asc, align: center"]Lg
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]G
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]GS
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Int
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Yds
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]TD
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]PD
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Yrs
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]PB
[/TH]
[TH="class: show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]AP1
[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]AV
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]41
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Ike Charlton
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2000
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-52
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]5
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]42
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Patrick Lee
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2008
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-60
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: hl"]
[TD="align: right"]43
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Michael Stone
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2001
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-54
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]4
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]44
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Jacoby Shepherd
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2000
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]45
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Terrence Wheatley
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2008
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]1
[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

 

[Litos]

AL,

If you spend a 2nd round pick on anyone, he should not be #3rd on the depth chart. That is not a win. I have perspective.

The Steelers are not going to be active in terms of acquiring accomplished veteran free agents. It's all about the draft. When you spend 2nd and 3rd round picks on players who do not start unless an injury hits....Spense, Archer, Adams, Thomas ( Steelers gave up a 3rd to acquire him ), and Brown it catches up to you. We need more 2nd round picks like Bell or Gilbert. Guys who start and make a difference.

If Golosn is just a 3rd or 4th CB by his third season, the pick is a bad one for round two. I'll stand on that statement.

Unfortunately Gilbert kind of sucks

 

[Stryker]

Tell me, what was Richard Sherman's 40 time???

When you only have to defend for 4 seconds at a time, it doesn't matter what your 40 time is.

 

[Coach]

Unfortunately Gilbert kind of sucks

Gilbert is a bit of a mixed bag. You could say he's good enough to win with. Next to Adam's he doesn't suck

 

[fogdoctor]

I know there's a lot of hate for the guy, but Suggs did not have great measurables. He's been a great pro by any definition. Hines Ward did not have great measurables and he had a medical flag. I mean you can look up and down NFL rosters to see these guys.

Don't get it twisted, I wasn't saying measurables don't count. What I was saying is that they are only part of the equation. Maybe you misread the part where I said we tend to at times "forget what the tape shows us". That means, tape is important.

Suggs ran a 4.8 at 260lbs+ and 6'3". The rest of his measurables were average for the position. Enough to check the tape.

Ward ran a 4.5 or 4.6 at 200lbs. Not great but not terrible for a 3rd rounder.

I was only making the point that without physical skills the tape does not matter. It is more efficient to identify the players with elite physicals and then go to the tape.

 

[Coach]

Thanks for the chart Ark Steel. I remember liking Josh Wilson year back for us. Just one quick comment if I may.

Where is our boy, Ricardo Colclough? He was a hight second round pick that quickly became a bust. Just a hunch, his AV was 0 or less than 0.

 

[Wingman]

One other thing that would indicate Golson is a good signing as far as I am concerned, he turned down 1.35 million dollars to play baseball in Boston. Turning down money to stay out of Boston is huge and required him to choose his other sport. It was brought up that this kid likely has the determination and willingness to do what is needed to play a professional sport.

 

[ark steel]

Thanks for the chart Ark Steel. I remember liking Josh Wilson year back for us. Just one quick comment if I may.

Where is our boy, Ricardo Colclough? He was a hight second round pick that quickly became a bust. Just a hunch, his AV was 0 or less than 0.

Limited my search to those picked at 50 or later. Using all of the second round adds another 50 or so. Colclough shows up on the list with a whopping 2 AV. Only one shows with a 0 and he is Stanley Jean-Baptist.

This is the list it gives me of all DB's drafted by the Steelers in the first four rounds since 2000.

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[TH="class: ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Rk[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"][/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]From[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]To[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Draft[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting, align: left"]Tm[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip sort_default_asc, align: center"]Lg[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]G[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]GS[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]Yrs[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]PB[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip show_partial_when_sorting, align: center"]AP1[/TH]
[TH="class: tooltip, align: center"]AV[/TH]
[/TR]
</thead><tbody>[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Curtis Brown[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3-95[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Ricardo Colclough[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2004[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-38[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Shamarko Thomas[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2013[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4-111[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Cortez Allen[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4-128[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Anthony Smith[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2006[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3-83[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Hank Poteat[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3-77[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]112[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Keenan Lewis[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2009[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3-96[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: hl"]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Bryant McFadden[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2005[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2011[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2-62[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Chris Hope[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2002[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2012[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3-94[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]TOT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]163[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]113[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]53[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Ike Taylor[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]4-125[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]174[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]140[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]64[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Troy Polamalu[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2003[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2014[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1-16[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]PIT[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]NFL[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]158[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]142[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: highlight_text, align: right"]117[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

 

[bermudasteel]

Here's one sentence that summarizes Coach's opinion. The good news is that we get to read another 3,000 posts from him on this subject that could all be boiled down into this one sentence.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - to infinity and beyond - that's Coach's creed.

When you only have to defend for 4 seconds at a time, it doesn't matter what your 40 time is.

Agreed. And, me personally, I think our defense is going to surprise a lot of teams this year when it comes to the pass rush...

If, Coach Butler throws in his new wrinkles as we expect him to do, the men we have on defense will produce like the other teams that were under the tutelage of Coach LeBeau (ie.Cardinals & Jets). We shall see...

 

[ark steel]

If, Coach Butler throws in his new wrinkles as we expect him to do, the men we have on defense will produce like the other teams that were under the tutelage of Coach LeBeau (ie.Cardinals & Jets). We shall see...

I guess I am one of those who doesn't expect a Butler D to look signficantly different than a Lebeau D.