Coates vs Golson. Video shown.

[keslerclan]

Looking at 'the glass half-full' when evaluating Golson, he probably has the best cover skills of any CB in this draft AND IF he were 3-4" taller he would have been discussed as a sure-fire first round pick.

This being said, He will get overpowered and out-sized on some balls. He simply isn't big enough to 'win' constantly against guys who are 6" taller and 40# heavier...and he will face some of these guys.

The thing to like about a guy like Golson is he is almost always in the hip pocket of who he is covering. He is either mirroring or puts himself in a better position than the receiver. When he does allow a reception, he uses his hands well to try to force the ball loose.

This will matter in the NFL where QBs are better in their reads and are usually afforded better protection. Why? Because only a few QBs will have the 'chops' to throw into small windows and usually these Qbs will throw to the 'open' WR as opposed to taking chances with the ball. Woodson and Deion used to have to feign the open-ness of the WR to bait the QB to throw their way. If this little guy can stay on his man, he simply won't get thrown at until 'red-zone' time. He will still get his fair share IF he can continue to get his head around before the ball gets there. That was the problem with Cortez. He was often glued to his man but had ZERO ball awareness and allowed catches. This kid has some awareness that is hard to teach.

He will still get beat on occasion and that is acceptable for a team that started someone else's Outcast JAG last year for most of the season. IMO

 

[Steel Ballin]

Not that impressed with either pick.....one's a smurf...the other a poor man's Mike Wallace who may be able to block....DHB 2.0.

 

[GRBman]

How the hell was Coates there in rd 3? The browns should have snagged him.

Um... Browns

 

[Wingman]

Actually, it sort of puts to rest the bad hands of Coats as he made some great contested catches in that clip. No matter how much tape you show Golson still had 10 interceptions last year, maybe we should watch all ten of them as well. Seeing both of these guys on tape makes me think we did real well with the draft. The cowboys got the corner I thought would be the best prospect in the first round in Byron Jones. To take him we would have passed on Alvin and then had Owa diggyzuwa (sp) and I am not sure the steelers considered that a viable option, and then Coats would have still been available for us. Trade ups in my opinion are almost always a reach as your are trading two or three players for one. The times they are not is if you are trading players that won't likely make your team anyway. This years draft looks like at this point they could all make the team as A we have several holes and B we also have some sub standard talent that might get the chop.

This could actually be one of the best drafts by Tombert as far as improving the team.

 

[Litos]

Not that impressed with either pick.....one's a smurf...the other a poor man's Mike Wallace who may be able to block....DHB 2.0.

he would help a lot in the bunch formation with his blocking ability, beside his speed which makes him always a deep threat. The kid is definitly an asset.
I don't know what were you expecting with the 87th overall pick but it looks pretty good

 

[GRBman]

I watch a LOT of SEC football and Sammie Coates is an absolute beast...Kid just makes some great plays and in that Auburn attack there was a lot of pressure on the WR's because they didn't throw all that much. That's primarily a running attack, so when they throw it, the WR's have to be ready. Yes, he dropped a few balls...they are only highlighted because that about the only thing you can find on the kid...

BIG, fast, great ball skills, blocks, adjusts...

 

[SteelerAl]

There you go spouting facts instead of opinion. Don't you know that we are supposed to all jump on the "Golson is too small and 'Durpee' is too dumb" bandwagon?
JHC ... I mean can't we even get a chance to SEE what these guys are or are not in camp (or at least OTAs) before trying to degrade them?

A "real" Steelers draft will never compare to the "fantasy" drafts that certain posters play around with, you know the ones where guys trade down and end up with 5 second round picks and 3 thirds...

 

[SteelerAl]

I watch a LOT of SEC football and Sammie Coates is an absolute beast...Kid just makes some great plays and in that Auburn attack there was a lot of pressure on the WR's because they didn't throw all that much. That's primarily a running attack, so when they throw it, the WR's have to be ready. Yes, he dropped a few balls...they are only highlighted because that about the only thing you can find on the kid...

BIG, fast, great ball skills, blocks, adjusts...

I think he's a ******* steal that the Steelers had rated pretty highly (mid-2nd round grade). And if there's one thing they know, it's WRs. All these guys who are "not impressed" right now are going to be hanging on his jock by August. As a society we are becoming far to obsessed with counting things and we fail to see the forest for the trees...and because somebody counted the balls that Coates dropped everybody missed the big picture: that he is a physical freak who made a lot of tough catches and that the Auburn system (and QB) are a big contributor to those drops.

 

[Coach]

Ha ha. It's not just being under 5'9" AL. I'm judging all measurements. Golson is light ( 176 pounds ), not a good vertical leaper, has short arms ( under 30 inches ), and is not fast enough to balance out his lack of measurements.

Quick fact. Out of 64 starting NFL CB's, only one is under 5'9" tall. This says height matters. Don't get me wrong, there have been some excellent shorter corners...but those guys had blazing speed and could jump. Example Darrell Green. Golson is not that fast.

Talent at positions can change over time. Right now the NFL is loaded with FAST receivers and TALL receivers with rules that tilt toward the receiver's way in almost all cases. Our guy will not match up with either type. I also think he will be a bit injury prone in the NFL because he's light and plays aggressively.

Again, I see good slot or short zone / umbrella type of corner here, not a starter outside the hash marks. If Golson was picked in rounds 4 or 5 I'd like the pick. Don't worry I'll eat some humble pie if I'm wrong. If I'm right, and this is a below average 2nd round pick, we all lose as fans. - Coach

insanit Since when is 4.4 speed slow or shows a lack of speed? Can you name the number of WR's in the league that are faster than 4.4? Hines Ward was never all that fast but he constantly got open. It's not always about what someone ran in shorts on a track...but a "coach" should already know this. Same thing can be said for his "lack" of leaping ability. Watch that tape that you posted again, on the #2 play you reference, watch where Golson is compared to Coates and tell me he' not a good leaper...You also keep pointing out that all you see is a zone coverage/slot type CB, what do you think we drafted him for? Despite the fact that everyone has given up on him, Cortez is being counted on. The coaching staff and FO expect him to bounce back and take the started CB spot opposite Gay.

1 ) Golson was closer to 4.5 than 4.4. He rans a 4.46 This to me is just above average speed for an NFL cornerback. They do not run in pads and a helmet. Some guys carry equipment weight well, others do not. I think the low weight types ( Golson 176 ) are likely to lose more on their 40 yard dash times in pads than say those who are 230 pounds. Never saw a study on this. Just saying. How many WR's are faster than 4.46. Likely ever team has at least one fast receiver

2 ) Hines Ward was a physical player. His game as not based on speed.

3 ) Golson's vertical leap is cut and dry. He might time his jumps well, but he's still short with short arms. IMO NFL receivers will have an edge on him.

 

[SteelerAl]

1 ) Golson was closer to 4.5 than 4.4. He rans a 4.46 This to me is just above average speed for an NFL cornerback.

Holy ****, Coach. I was making fun of you for **** like this and you just come right back at it. Do you really think there is a difference between 4.42 and 4.46 that makes a difference on a football field? What do you think the margin of error is on these times? Do you think a guy who runs a 4.46 can't come back and run a 4.39 or a 4.53 the next day? A hour later?

I guess Antonio Brown blows chunks because he never ran a fast 40...

 

[Slash#10]

Actually, it sort of puts to rest the bad hands of Coats as he made some great contested catches in that clip. No matter how much tape you show Golson still had 10 interceptions last year, maybe we should watch all ten of them as well. Seeing both of these guys on tape makes me think we did real well with the draft. The cowboys got the corner I thought would be the best prospect in the first round in Byron Jones. To take him we would have passed on Alvin and then had Owa diggyzuwa (sp) and I am not sure the steelers considered that a viable option, and then Coats would have still been available for us. Trade ups in my opinion are almost always a reach as your are trading two or three players for one. The times they are not is if you are trading players that won't likely make your team anyway. This years draft looks like at this point they could all make the team as A we have several holes and B we also have some sub standard talent that might get the chop.

This could actually be one of the best drafts by Tombert as far as improving the team.

Another steeler blogger has posted clips of all ten interceptions. I think the best one was against Alabama.

 

[Slash#10]

Love the Coates pick, but I'm not expecting to see this kid on the field this season. Much like how we didn't see Bryant, but this situation is different because we had a #3 role to fill last season. Now that the Steelers are solid at 1 through 3, he'll bounce btwn 4, 5, & 6, Even if he sees the field, he might get 10 throws toward him all year.

As a fan you want to see if this kid, if given the opportunities, can be a rookie sensation. Can he prove enough ability that the Steelers won't be handcuffed to Wheaton when he becomes a FA? Considering that he played in a run oriented offense, I'm curious to see what he can do in the now pass happy explosive offense.

 

[Vader]

The Steelers have been trotting out the same "mold" of cornerback for years and frankly that mold isn't getting it done anymore. The game is changing. Perhaps our corners need to change too.

It's a weird thought, I know. I love Coach and I wouldn't have Steeler Nation without him. But I do remember that Troy Polamalu had entirely too big a head. He was also a bit short. That was masked by his ENORMOUS noggin.

You've mentioned this before and I asked you what "mold" are talking about? They drafted both smaller and taller WRS over the years. So how is Golson any different than Gay who was drafted almost a decade ago? They've drafted shorter CBs and taller CBs for years. Where's this "mold"?

 

[insaniti]

Ha ha. It's not just being under 5'9" AL. I'm judging all measurements. Golson is light ( 176 pounds ), not a good vertical leaper, has short arms ( under 30 inches ), and is not fast enough to balance out his lack of measurements.

Quick fact. Out of 64 starting NFL CB's, only one is under 5'9" tall. This says height matters. Don't get me wrong, there have been some excellent shorter corners...but those guys had blazing speed and could jump. Example Darrell Green. Golson is not that fast.

Talent at positions can change over time. Right now the NFL is loaded with FAST receivers and TALL receivers with rules that tilt toward the receiver's way in almost all cases. Our guy will not match up with either type. I also think he will be a bit injury prone in the NFL because he's light and plays aggressively.

Again, I see good slot or short zone / umbrella type of corner here, not a starter outside the hash marks. If Golson was picked in rounds 4 or 5 I'd like the pick. Don't worry I'll eat some humble pie if I'm wrong. If I'm right, and this is a below average 2nd round pick, we all lose as fans. - Coach



1 ) Golson was closer to 4.5 than 4.4. He rans a 4.46 This to me is just above average speed for an NFL cornerback. They do not run in pads and a helmet. Some guys carry equipment weight well, others do not. I think the low weight types ( Golson 176 ) are likely to lose more on their 40 yard dash times in pads than say those who are 230 pounds. Never saw a study on this. Just saying. How many WR's are faster than 4.46. Likely ever team has at least one fast receiver

2 ) Hines Ward was a physical player. His game as not based on speed.

3 ) Golson's vertical leap is cut and dry. He might time his jumps well, but he's still short with short arms. IMO NFL receivers will have an edge on him.

Closer to 4.5? Closer to 4.5 would be 4.8 or 4.9. For the record, Antonio Brown ran a 4.47, he seems to carry his pads quite well. You keep throwing up his weight and arm length, and when you mention leaping ability, you never seem to put a number there...Also there's a HUGE difference between a vertical leap (jumping straight up from a stand still), and leaping. I'm 5'10", put me directly under a basketball hoop and I can barely touch the rim. Give me a running start and I can dunk it with one hand. That's a difference of at least 6", so I'm not concerned over a vertical number (which is pretty good at 33.5") when he won't be standing still making his jumps too often. Timing has more to do with how successful he'll be anyway. For example, Mike Wallace had a 40" vertical, did you ever see him attack the ball at the high point and bring it down over someone? He never goes up for the ball.

 

[SteelerAl]

The key is putting the measurable into perspective. They have a purpose but when you put them at the top of the pyramid and start thinking there's a difference between 4.42 and 4.47 or that 3/8ths of an inch in height makes a difference, then you become really clueless. There are tons of guys on the planet with ideal measurables (6'3" tall and can run 4.4 flat) who can't carry Antonio Brown's jock strap.

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

One thing to consider about the fact he ran a 4.46. Same guy who is 240 lbs runs a 4.5. Now if both were to run that 40 say 4 plays in a row can the bigger guy really keep that same speed up or will he be more likely to slow down more. Same can be said about jumping it's not the stats you have when rested but the stats you have after playing 3.5 quarters after 8 straight plays.
The reason they drafted him was not because of the pure numbers but the tape and what he did on the field consistently. Well at least that's what I got from the post draft interview posted at steelers.com. But hey what the **** do they know!!

 

[SteelBuckeye]

One thing to consider about the fact he ran a 4.6. Same guy who is 240 lbs runs a 4.5. Now if both were to run that 40 say 4 plays in a row can the bigger guy really keep that same speed up or will he be more likely to slow down more. Same can be said about jumping it's not the stats you have when rested but the stats you have after playing 3.5 quarters after 8 straight plays. The reason they drafted him was not bucause of the pure numbers but the tape and what he did on the field consistently. Well at least that's what I got from the post draft interview posted at steelers.com. But hey what the **** do they know!!

Everything you say is valid except the forty time. Golson ran a 4.46. Which is not slow.

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Fixed it. Big buckeye fan myself yeah missed the 4

 

[Trecampbell]

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Love the Coates pick, but I'm not expecting to see this kid on the field this season. Much like how we didn't see Bryant, but this situation is different because we had a #3 role to fill last season. Now that the Steelers are solid at 1 through 3, he'll bounce btwn 4, 5, & 6, Even if he sees the field, he might get 10 throws toward him all year.

As a fan you want to see if this kid, if given the opportunities, can be a rookie sensation. Can he prove enough ability that the Steelers won't be handcuffed to Wheaton when he becomes a FA? Considering that he played in a run oriented offense, I'm curious to see what he can do in the now pass happy explosive offense.

Hard to say that Bryant didn't see the field much. From week 8 on he was a key contributor to our offense. Hell, he had as many TD's (8) as Calvin Johnson or Brandon Marshall. 26 catches 550 yards and 8 TD's is massive production from a rookie. Top 10 WR numbers? Absolutely not, but when our #3 receiver puts up top 20 WR TD receptions you jump for joy. Just think of where we would have been without him. I'm also of the opinion that Wheaton is on an even shorter leash this year so barring a breakout year from him, Coates will probably have more of an opportunity earlier in the year than Bryant did last year. If Coates is limited in his rookie year that means the light suddenly goes on for Wheaton which is a win win for us because we can certainly use the depth.

 

[steel dino]

My favorite pick of the draft!

This kid can flat out play corner, has great ball skills, and does not shy away from contact at all..Just what the doctor ordered for the home team!

He will become a fan favorite quickly.

 

[Wingman]

After watching the video I am real impressed with Coates as a wide out. I am also pleased we got Golson as a corner. He looks at least as good on that tape as what we have now in many respects and he is a rookie. I actually think the guys may have pulled off a very good draft this year as far as selecting guys that make the team and are better than some guys we have at present. The draft was not full of superstars but had a lot of what may become solid players in positions that were needed by the steelers.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Deion Sanders says Golson reminds him of Aaron Glenn

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2015/5/6/8561087/deion-sanders-senquez-golson-reminds-me-of-aaron-glenn

Let's put it this way: If Senquez Golson has Aaron Glenn's career, I think Steeler Fans would be VERY happy with this pick.

14 years, 41 career interceptions, 3 pro bowls.

Not bad for a guy who was 5-9 185.

Note: The above quote is not Sanders'. It is the opinion of the fan writing the piece. But, I agree with it.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SteelBuckeye again.

Nice comparison SteelBuckeye. I forgot about Aaron Glenn and I live in NJ. yes I would take a Glenn like career

 

[Coach]

Everything you say is valid except the forty time. Golson ran a 4.46. Which is not slow.

Steel,

It isn't fast for a corner either. If Golson was 6 feet tall, with longer arms, and a better vertical, he would be fine at 4.46

But when you are under 5'9", I think you need to me faster and be able to jump a bit higher.

For example Brice McCain was 5'9', 185 pounds. He is a shade taller than Golson, had a 3" edge on the vertical, and is about 9 pounds heavier. The main difference was McCain had world class 4.33 speed, same as Mike Wallace. No one is going to burn him deep

Golson to me just give too much up in terms of height, weight, leaping ability, and won't be able to match up vs the faster WR's in the NFL. As such he's not scheme versatile player. I think he's a nice slot corner or shot zone guy.

Personally I wish we kept McCain and used the draft pick on another player.

On another note, we really do not have much speed or height at the cornerback positon. We are suspect on sideline passes, jump balls, and red zone coverage vs. taller players, and only Blake has enough speed to be trusted deep in man. Designing a defensive system to mask these mis-matches and one that might have 1-2 rookies playing a lot will not be easy.

 

[Wingman]

Steel,

It isn't fast for a corner either. If Golson was 6 feet tall, with longer arms, and a better vertical, he would be fine at 4.46

But when you are under 5'9", I think you need to me faster and be able to jump a bit higher.

For example Brice McCain was 5'9', 185 pounds. He is a shade taller than Golson, had a 3" edge on the vertical, and is about 9 pounds heavier. The main difference was McCain had world class 4.33 speed, same as Mike Wallace. No one is going to burn him deep

Golson to me just give too much up in terms of height, weight, leaping ability, and won;' be able to match up vs the faster WR's in the NFL. As such he's not scheme versatile player. I think he's a nice slot corner or shot zone guy.

Personally I wish we kept McCain and used the draft pick on another player.

I saw him get beat deep in games, sometimes just being able to run fast is not enough, you need to know where to run. He was with the receiver when he made the catch but I still call that getting beat deep.

I do think that getting corners that were bigger and faster and covered better would have been a better choice but that player was not available. One other thing to keep in mind with the guys we did get, they were playing in college with the guys that everyone else wanted and intercepted more passes so there is that. It would be nice to look at one or two interceptions a game for a change. Bilicheat found out that wining the turnover game was a big contributor in overall wins. The steelers discovered a way to do it with in the rules, draft players that can intercept the ball.