Coates vs Golson. Video shown.

[Coach]

Watch the below clips. Golson is #21. Check the film at 52 seconds in to 1.09.

Play #1 Coates rips Golson beating him with speed, size, and leaping ability. Note Golson gave Coates a huge cushion and still got burned for a score.

Play #2 The other play was a jump ball. 6'1" vs under 5''8 3/4 "

 

[FordFairLane]

Nice clip at about 1:40 of Golson knocking away a deep pass to Coates.

 

[clinton]

Nice clip at about 1:40 of Golson knocking away a deep pass to Coates.

i like the very last thing on that video.

 

[insaniti]

Golson didn't get burned on play #1, he was playing outside technique with safety help in the middle of the field. The safety bit HARD on that pump fake. Not everything is as cut and dry as it seems. Second play you will get from time to time when you have a big receiver high pointing the ball, even still, it takes a great catch from Coates to reel in the catch. As the scouting report says, he plays bigger than his size and he can get UP for a little man.

 

[CoolieMan]

Nice clip at about 1:40 of Golson knocking away a deep pass to Coates.

that doesn't fit coach's purpose....it was posted in the Golson thread also

 

[Shane Falco]

He's wirery

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

The first play, the Safety was beat, not Golson. It looks pretty clear that it was a cover 3. Coates faked an out and Golson went for that move as he should have because the outside is his responsibility when he has safety help inside. Golson sees Prewitt blow the coverage so he keeps running after it in bad position. It's kind of strange because Prewitt is 6'2 which means he can automatically cover any WR because he's so tall.

On play 2, Golson contested the catch. Yes, he will lose jump balls against tall WRs. Good thing that if he plays slot for the steelers, he will rarely be responsible for a deep third that would put him in that position.

 

[jitter77]

Yeah I think the first one is actually a bonus for Golson. Looked like he expected or there was supposed to be deep help. He showed great makeup speed and still made a good play on the ball, just a split second late. On the second play meh those things happen. You could find tape of any NFL CB and say "look how bad he sucks on such and such play." I do not really trust the Steelers eval of CBs, but from what I have seen Golson at least has some potential.

 

[bermudasteel]

The first play, the Safety was beat, not Golson. It looks pretty clear that it was a cover 3. Coates faked an out and Golson went for that move as he should have because the outside is his responsibility when he has safety help inside. Golson sees Prewitt blow the coverage so he keeps running after it in bad position. It's kind of strange because Prewitt is 6'2 which means he can automatically cover any WR because he's so tall.

On play 2, Golson contested the catch. Yes, he will lose jump balls against tall WRs. Good thing that if he plays slot for the steelers, he will rarely be responsible for a deep third that would put him in that position.

Great response to this bull donkey assessment of, now, two teammates...

 

[Stryker]

Sammy Coats' video on youtube, there is a play where Golson correctly jumps the short route, hits him in the hands, bounces over him, and Sammy makes the catch. If Golson held on, it was a pick 6.

 

[Coach]

Here's my main worry with Golson. He's not only short, he has short arms under 30", and isn't fast, and isn't a good leaper. Football can be a game of inches. 3 of his 4 touchdowns against last season were vs bigger receivers in 13 games played.

If your a short DB, you need to make up for it! Take Brice McCain for example. He's 5.9, but had world class speed ( 4.33 same as Mike Wallace ), and he leaped much better. So you could trust him McCain deep with normal sized speed receivers.

While Golson's ball skills and ability to make QB's pay with poor passes is undeniable, I think he's suspect to speed receivers AND larger receivers. I also think he's a bit light ( 176 pounds ) and might have tackling issues vs bigger players. As such you have to be careful where you deploy him.

I like Golson in the slot or as a cover guy in an umbrella type short zone type of defense. I do not like him on the outside as a starter in man coverage, bump and run, or cover 3. I think he's a target in the red zone too vs tall WR's or TE's, where he will be giving up 8+" in some cases. We'll see how the pick pans out.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If your a short DB, you need to make up for it!...

While Golson's ball skills and ability to make QB's pay with poor passes is undeniable, I think he's suspect to speed receivers AND larger receivers. I also think he's a bit light ( 176 pounds ) and might have tackling issues vs bigger players.

Yet all the video evidence posted in response to your post shows otherwise (at least at the collegiate level).

You don't like the pick. We get it. Screaming louder and more often doesn't change a thing.

 

[Wingman]

Here's my main worry with Golson. He's not only short, he has short arms under 30", and isn't fast, and isn't a good leaper. Football can be a game of inches. 3 of his 4 touchdowns against last season were vs bigger receivers in 13 games played.

If your a short DB, you need to make up for it! Take Brice McCain for example. He's 5.9, but had world class speed ( 4.33 same as Mike Wallace ), and he leaped much better. So you could trust him McCain deep with normal sized speed receivers.

While Golson's ball skills and ability to make QB's pay with poor passes is undeniable, I think he's suspect to speed receivers AND larger receivers. I also think he's a bit light ( 176 pounds ) and might have tackling issues vs bigger players. As such you have to be careful where you deploy him.

I like Golson in the slot or as a cover guy in an umbrella type short zone type of defense. I do not like him on the outside as a starter in man coverage, bump and run, or cover 3. I think he's a target in the red zone too vs tall WR's or TE's, where he will be giving up 8+" in some cases. We'll see how the pick pans out.

Just for one point 4.46 in the 40 is what I would call fast as he is fast enough to keep up with most wide outs, I suspect many of the other players that are only taller are slower than 4.46 in the 40. In fact many of the guys taken ahead of this kid were around the same speed some not as fast if I remember correctly. This kid intercepts lots of passes and is second in passes intercepted so he obviously can track and break on the ball and catch the damn thing. These other guys that are faster and taller did not intercept as many passes when it should have been easier for them with their superior abilities. I would say he is likely better at tracking the ball than they are and because of that might just have fewer penalties as he will be playing the ball, and if he is where the ball is it does not matter if the wide out is faster or taller he will be in position to defend the pass or tackle the catch.

 

[Stryker]

Coach, I understand his measurables don't point to the best Vertical jump, however, he does attack and high point the football. Leaping ability means nothing if you can't read the play, time your jump, and high point the football. On film, he shows he can do that, outjumping and out timing much bigger receivers, not only to make the play, but to take the ball away. He is small, but he's very aggressive, both playing the football, and in hitting. He plays much bigger than his size indicates.

It will be interesting to see if he can continue it in the NFL against much better athletes.

 

[insaniti]

Golson didn't get burned on play #1, he was playing outside technique with safety help in the middle of the field. The safety bit HARD on that pump fake. Not everything is as cut and dry as it seems. Second play you will get from time to time when you have a big receiver high pointing the ball, even still, it takes a great catch from Coates to reel in the catch. As the scouting report says, he plays bigger than his size and he can get UP for a little man.

The first play, the Safety was beat, not Golson. It looks pretty clear that it was a cover 3. Coates faked an out and Golson went for that move as he should have because the outside is his responsibility when he has safety help inside. Golson sees Prewitt blow the coverage so he keeps running after it in bad position. It's kind of strange because Prewitt is 6'2 which means he can automatically cover any WR because he's so tall.

On play 2, Golson contested the catch. Yes, he will lose jump balls against tall WRs. Good thing that if he plays slot for the steelers, he will rarely be responsible for a deep third that would put him in that position.

Great response to this bull donkey assessment of, now, two teammates...

hmmm might be an echo in here lol

 

[ZACKB]

How the hell was Coates there in rd 3? The browns should have snagged him.

 

[SteelerAl]

Play #2 The other play was a jump ball. 6'1" vs under 5''8 3/4 "

Notice how precise Coach is being. Could have just said "under 5'9"". While football may be a "game of inches", differences in height of 1/4 inch or even a 1/2 inch make no difference whatsoever. This is reminiscent of him saying things like "I know that guy ran a 4.42 but on tape he looks much more like a 4.49 guy to me."

 

[Coach]

Notice how precise Coach is being. Could have just said "under 5'9"". While football may be a "game of inches", differences in height of 1/4 inch or even a 1/2 inch make no difference whatsoever. This is reminiscent of him saying things like "I know that guy ran a 4.42 but on tape he looks much more like a 4.49 guy to me."

Ha ha. It's not just being under 5'9" AL. I'm judging all measurements. Golson is light ( 176 pounds ), not a good vertical leaper, has short arms ( under 30 inches ), and is not fast enough to balance out his lack of measurements.

Quick fact. Out of 64 starting NFL CB's, only one is under 5'9" tall. This says height matters. Don't get me wrong, there have been some excellent shorter corners...but those guys had blazing speed and could jump. Example Darrell Green. Golson is not that fast.

Talent at positions can change over time. Right now the NFL is loaded with FAST receivers and TALL receivers with rules that tilt toward the receiver's way in almost all cases. Our guy will not match up with either type. I also think he will be a bit injury prone in the NFL because he's light and plays aggressively.

Again, I see good slot or short zone / umbrella type of corner here, not a starter outside the hash marks. If Golson was picked in rounds 4 or 5 I'd like the pick. Don't worry I'll eat some humble pie if I'm wrong. If I'm right, and this is a below average 2nd round pick, we all lose as fans.

 

[FSF]

I think everyone knows that Golston isn't going to be the next Mel Blount or Rod Woodson or even Ike Taylor.

We may even find that he fits a specific role -- Personally I think its realistic to see him playing vs. the slot most of the time but in today's NFL, that is not a small need.

Give the guy a chance, he may be a heckava playmaker for us.

 

[SteelerAl]

I think everyone knows that Golston isn't going to be the next Mel Blount or Rod Woodson or even Ike Taylor.

We may even find that he fits a specific role -- Personally I think its realistic to see him playing vs. the slot most of the time but in today's NFL, that is not a small need.

Give the guy a chance, he may be a heckava playmaker for us.

Steeler fans would love for the team to draft a nose tackle (who will be on the field 35% of the time) in round 1, but hate the idea of taking a CB in round 2 who might only be on the field 65% of the time. I guess we just love the fat guys.

Look at some of the shorter CBs who have been paid over the past couple years (Brandon Flowers) or drafted high (Jason Verrett went in round 1 last year)...

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Ha ha. It's not just being under 5'9" AL. I'm judging all measurements. Golson is light ( 176 pounds ), not a good vertical leaper, has short arms ( under 30 inches ), and is not fast enough to balance out his lack of measurements.

Quick fact. Out of 64 starting NFL CB's, only one is under 5'9" tall. This says height matters. Don't get me wrong, there have been some excellent shorter corners...but those guys had blazing speed and could jump. Example Darrell Green. Golson is not that fast.

Talent at positions can change over time. Right now the NFL is loaded with FAST receivers and TALL receivers with rules that tilt toward the receiver's way in almost all cases. Our guy will not match up with either type. I also think he will be a bit injury prone in the NFL because he's light and plays aggressively.

Again, I see good slot or short zone / umbrella type of corner here, not a starter outside the hash marks. If Golson was picked in rounds 4 or 5 I'd like the pick. Don't worry I'll eat some humble pie if I'm wrong. If I'm right, and this is a below average 2nd round pick, we all lose as fans.

laughable to call Golson slow. It's also misleading to constantly refer to "starting" CBs. What you mean are the 2 outside CBs. Golson likely was not drafted to play outside. You may as well criticize Coates for being too smal to play TE.

Why are people acting like every NFL offense hs all 6 ft 5 WRs running go routes every play? In the NFL I've been watching the last few years, the relaxed rules have made it very easy for small WRs ovr the middle. There are lots of small, quick slot WRs carving up the league. You think QBs are completing 65% of their passes because they throw downfield every play?

 

[insaniti]

Ha ha. It's not just being under 5'9" AL. I'm judging all measurements. Golson is light ( 176 pounds ), not a good vertical leaper, has short arms ( under 30 inches ), and is not fast enough to balance out his lack of measurements.

Quick fact. Out of 64 starting NFL CB's, only one is under 5'9" tall. This says height matters. Don't get me wrong, there have been some excellent shorter corners...but those guys had blazing speed and could jump. Example Darrell Green. Golson is not that fast.

Talent at positions can change over time. Right now the NFL is loaded with FAST receivers and TALL receivers with rules that tilt toward the receiver's way in almost all cases. Our guy will not match up with either type. I also think he will be a bit injury prone in the NFL because he's light and plays aggressively.

Again, I see good slot or short zone / umbrella type of corner here, not a starter outside the hash marks. If Golson was picked in rounds 4 or 5 I'd like the pick. Don't worry I'll eat some humble pie if I'm wrong. If I'm right, and this is a below average 2nd round pick, we all lose as fans.

Since when is 4.4 speed slow or shows a lack of speed? Can you name the number of WR's in the league that are faster than 4.4? Hines Ward was never all that fast but he constantly got open. It's not always about what someone ran in shorts on a track...but a "coach" should already know this. Same thing can be said for his "lack" of leaping ability. Watch that tape that you posted again, on the #2 play you reference, watch where Golson is compared to Coates and tell me he' not a good leaper...You also keep pointing out that all you see is a zone coverage/slot type CB, what do you think we drafted him for? Despite the fact that everyone has given up on him, Cortez is being counted on. The coaching staff and FO expect him to bounce back and take the started CB spot opposite Gay.

laughable to call Golson slow. It's also misleading to constantly refer to "starting" CBs. What you mean are the 2 outside CBs. Golson likely was not drafted to play outside. You may as well criticize Coates for being too smal to play TE.

Why are people acting like every NFL offense hs all 6 ft 5 WRs running go routes every play? In the NFL I've been watching the last few years, the relaxed rules have made it very easy for small WRs ovr the middle. There are lots of small, quick slot WRs carving up the league. You think QBs are completing 65% of their passes because they throw downfield every play?

I think everyone needs to take a look at the top 10 WR's in the league last year. Antonio Brown - 5'10", Emmanuel Sanders - 5'10", TY Hilton - 5'9", Odell Beckham Jr - 5'11", Randall Cobb - 5-10", Golden Tate - 5'11", Julian Edelman (who had his way against Seattles big CB's) 5'10". Like Tape has said, not all teams have 6'5" WR running wild, most have WR like the ones listed above leading their teams.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Since when is 4.4 speed slow or shows a lack of speed? Can you name the number of WR's in the league that are faster than 4.4? Hines Ward was never all that fast but he constantly got open. It's not always about what someone ran in shorts on a track...but a "coach" should already know this. Same thing can be said for his "lack" of leaping ability. Watch that tape that you posted again, on the #2 play you reference, watch where Golson is compared to Coates and tell me he' not a good leaper...You also keep pointing out that all you see is a zone coverage/slot type CB, what do you think we drafted him for? Despite the fact that everyone has given up on him, Cortez is being counted on. The coaching staff and FO expect him to bounce back and take the started CB spot opposite Gay.




I think everyone needs to take a look at the top 10 WR's in the league last year. Antonio Brown - 5'10", Emmanuel Sanders - 5'10", TY Hilton - 5'9", Odell Beckham Jr - 5'11", Randall Cobb - 5-10", Golden Tate - 5'11", Julian Edelman (who had his way against Seattles big CB's) 5'10". Like Tape has said, not all teams have 6'5" WR running wild, most have WR like the ones listed above leading their teams.

There you go spouting facts instead of opinion. Don't you know that we are supposed to all jump on the "Golson is too small and 'Durpee' is too dumb" bandwagon?
JHC ... I mean can't we even get a chance to SEE what these guys are or are not in camp (or at least OTAs) before trying to degrade them?

 

[wig]

The Steelers have been trotting out the same "mold" of cornerback for years and frankly that mold isn't getting it done anymore. The game is changing. Perhaps our corners need to change too.

It's a weird thought, I know. I love Coach and I wouldn't have Steeler Nation without him. But I do remember that Troy Polamalu had entirely too big a head. He was also a bit short. That was masked by his ENORMOUS noggin.

 

[Stryker]

The Steelers have been trotting out the same "mold" of cornerback for years and frankly that mold isn't getting it done anymore. The game is changing. Perhaps our corners need to change too.

It's a weird thought, I know. I love Coach and I wouldn't have Steeler Nation without him. But I do remember that Troy Polamalu had entirely too big a head. He was also a bit short. That was masked by his ENORMOUS noggin.

Pola's head wasn't big, it's just his hair that makes his head seem enormous!!!