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coach's draft thoughts....all in one thread

If there's a player that checks all the boxes in terms of what you want in a first round pick (measurables, character, position of need, experience in a Power 5 conference etc.) and he represents good value on your board, you don't risk losing that player to pick up the 110th pick in the draft. It's not the Steelers way to spend millions of dollars and countless man hours identifying the best prospects for your team (and learning everything there is to know about those players) to just say "oh what the heck, we've got a bunch of guys rated about the same, let's move back to get an extra 4th round pick". Colbert only goes back when he is damn certain he'll get his man (like he did with Casey Hampton).

Again, we won lowB repuSs largely because we got round one right (Ben, Heath, Santonio, Faneca, Troy, Casey Hampton etc.). It's also why we run the pick up to the podium in under 30 seconds. I know that irritates people but it's hard to argue with the success...they trust the process and the process doesn't lump prospects together in a tier...the 15th guy on their board is ahead of the 16th guy and behind the 14th guy for a reason.
 
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I'm gonna put this here! I need some more rep I can't believe coach has 149 with his 6000+ posts
 
1st rd is over, WTF difference does it make NOW?

and couldn't this have been asked in the half dozen other draft threads?


oh, Coach *****, nevermind

Screw you. I bet the offer was made. Teams looking to trade up call, and since we were slotted a pick before Seattle, why risk us taking their player.
 
Colbert actually said, maybe to Wexell, that they received calls about moving down

BOOM, there you have it. I liked Watt #1 based on who was on the board. I'm just asking the board if they would have taken this offer.
 
Would you trade our 3rd and 5th to move up to pick ANY player in round two?

Would you trade our 3rd and 5th to move up to pick ANY player in round two?

I made this thread for two reasons, to get Spike's panties in a wad, and to talk some draft.

I'd do this and take CB Awuzie.
 
Screw you. I bet the offer was made. .

Screw you - ATL targeted someone - what makes you think he'd have been there at #30 to trade?


actually SEA got the 31st pick and a 3rd and a 7th...for moving down 5 spots


Falcons receive:
» 2017 first-round pick (No. 26): Takkarist McKinley, DE, UCLA

Seahawks receive:
» 2017 first-round pick (No. 31):
» 2017 third-round pick (No. 95):
» 2017 seventh-round pick (No. 249)
 
lmfao @ whoever put his **** all in one thread and titled it.


Yinz can't write some of this comedy.
 
let's say we DID take that offer and move down, out of the first round. and the draft unfolded exactly as it has.

pick 33 - who do you take?

I mean, in Coach's world, a team calls to offer a pick and we inquire whom they're taking, they - and the other teams behind us - will state exactly and specifically who they want.
Maybe our FO didn't want to take the risk that Watt would have lasted two more picks.
 
Would you trade our 3rd and 5th to move up to pick ANY player in round two?

I made this thread for two reasons, to get Spike's panties in a wad, and to talk some draft.

I'd do this and take CB Awuzie.

Might have considered to get Baker. Have you paid TMC yet?
 
Would you trade our 3rd and 5th to move up to pick ANY player in round two?

I made this thread for two reasons, to get Spike's panties in a wad, and to talk some draft.

I'd do this and take CB Awuzie.

When KC was on the clock, I was hoping they were going to make a move. There was no way he was going to slide through Dallas and GB.
 
let's say we DID take that offer and move down, out of the first round. and the draft unfolded exactly as it has.

pick 33 - who do you take?

I mean, in Coach's world, a team calls to offer a pick and we inquire whom they're taking, they - and the other teams behind us - will state exactly and specifically who they want.
Maybe our FO didn't want to take the risk that Watt would have lasted two more picks.

This is it right here. If there is a guy you want or if the talent gap on your board is steep between Watt and the next guy, just get your man. If they had three or four on the same level then make the trade.
 
Might have considered to get Baker. Have you paid TMC yet?

The bet offered was Baker would not go in round one. TMC who said he would take him or Awuzie in round one was mistaken.
 
Coach's draft


Who I would have taken, to be updated in a full review on Monday as I have a family event to attend today and won't be able to post much.

1 ) OLB Watt
2 ) CB Tankersley
3 ) CB Sutton
3B ) QB Peterman
 
The bet offered was Baker would not go in round one. TMC who said he would take him or Awuzie in round one was mistaken.

Actually, if you read the posts....TMC said Baker would be drafted BEFORE Melifonwu and you didn't. That was the bet he placed. TMC said he'd pick Baker over Melifonwu in Rd.1. No argument there. You intimated Melifonwu was a better player and would be picked before Baker, even in Rd 1 as you actually said he could be a 1. So the "bet" entails TMC was right and you were wrong.


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Coach's draft


Who I would have taken, to be updated in a full review on Monday as I have a family event to attend today and won't be able to post much.

1 ) OLB Watt
2 ) CB Tankersley
3 ) CB Sutton
3B ) QB Peterman

.......You were harping all week to grab Davis Webb in the 2nd......now you say you would pick Peterson in the 3rd.

Picking a CB in the 2nd that was picked 3 slots after your 3rd round selection.....yeah, that's really cerebral.


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My annual draft review and who I would have picked.

Here is my annual who I would have selected for the Steelers draft.

While I can't accept trades as Colbert said he was offered per beat Writer Jim Wexell, I do have the ability to see how the draft fell.

I do not intend to use it, and you'll see I'm picking a player in round three that went in round five.

I encourage others to play along. In three years we'll know who drafted better than Colbert who has the edge based on medical reports, interviews, and character references fans typically not obtain from the media.

Rules: You can only pick a player on our turn to select and you can only pick players who were on the board when it comes time for us to pick,

I will grade for Value in the round, NFL upside, and what type of player I think he will become. I will also say who I would have chosen.


Round one OLB TJ Watt. Watt was in many of my mock drafts for round one, and it's no secret the Steelers need a pass rusher to replace Harrison, and pair with Dupree.

Watt had an excellent combine, ranking first or second in his group on various tests, his production vs. the run or pass was excellent and he's only 22 years old. He has the type of long frame suited for additional muscle development, and you have to love his character, work ethic, and NFL bloodlines. All the boxes, except 2 or more years of starting experience are meet.

On film Watt shows strong hands to disengage, the type of motor to get second effort type of sacks, a high football IQ as to where the ball is, and how to get there, and good, but not great closing speed to the quarterback. He's a plus type of run defender and has the agility and speed to drop back in coverage, though he should only be adequate in this department.

Battle tested in the big ten, last season ( 14 games ) Watt had 63 tackles, 15.5 tackles for losses, 11 sacks, 1 interception ( returned for a TD ) 4 passes defended, 2 forced fumbles, and 1 fumble recovery.

That's a lot of splash plays to help a defense get off the field. Watt can start as a rookie, tutored by James Harrison, and play in multiple odd or even fronts for the Steelers.

Grade for value in the round A-

Grade for Need A+

What Type of player I think he'll be in the NFL B+

Who would I have drafted? SAME PLAYER!


Round two. WR Juju Smith-Schuster. Going into the draft WR was not a primary need, and no one we pick is going to be better than Brown, or when he's playing better than Bryant. Rogers proved to be a solid slot receiver, and behind him, Ayers flashed some ability as a rookie. These two young players should improve a bit. We also have a disappointing, but still full of potential Coates. And we've got Justin Hunter, a 2nd round bust, who might be better with a change of scenery. The Steelers selected Juju Smith-Schuster.

Schuster is best described as a large physical receiver with good hands, a strong work ethic, a passion for the game, and yes he did well at USC. In his last two seasons Smith - Schuster had 159 catches, 20 touchdowns in his past two NFL seasons, with a respectable 14.5 yards per catch in his college career.

Smith-Schuster has some Hines Ward in him, as he;s a tough and durable type of runner, however, his speed 4.54, and quickness are average.

When you consider the Steelers red zone blues, and sometimes the inability for the other Steelers to get open when Bryant is out of the lineup, this pick makes a lot of sense. My main critique is not the player himself, but the need the team has for coverage players. The true unknown here is Bryant's drug status and motivation to put football before his recreational ways. The Steelers have the best read on that, and history shows they pick WR's very well.

Grade for Value in the round A

*Grade for need. C if Bryant is ready to play, otherwise B

What type player do I think he will be in the NFL? B

Who I would have selected! If I could I would have trade up to get CB Awuize picked two spots ahead of us. A 5th or 6th round pick might have been enough to obtain him, but going on the board I picking CB Cordera Tankersley. The man has ideal height, length, and speed. 9 interceptions in his past two season and 20 passes defended, with 4.40 speed, 6'1" in height, 32" arms and 200 pounds. Yes, he has some flag issues, and isn;t the best run supporting guy. My reply so what, he's the type you can leave alone on the outside with some playmaking and shut down ability. A primary need in the NFL today.


Round three. CB Cameron Sutton. I like Sutton, and he was a player I liked in rounds 3 or 4. However, in the NFL he's going to be a slot type of corner or a zone type of player as his size and arm length could be issues for the outside in a base defensive set with 4 or 5 DB's. The kid has quick feet and can mirror. Rarely penalized, yet productive with 37 passes defended, and 7 interceptions in his career. I read he only gave up 3 touchdowns in 44 games played, which is impressive for any QB. He's also a fine punt return man. So there's a need and a lot to like, however he might be one of those great college players that's only okay in the NFL as he's not a strong tackler, and you have to be careful who you match him as he's not fast 4.52 40, and he's a little weak in the tackling department.

Grade for Value in the round B

Grade for Need A

What type of player do I think he will be in the NFL B-

Who I would have selected, the same player!



Round 3B. RB James Conner. I admire Conner as a man. You want people like him on your football team. But I think he's playing style is dying out a bit in the NFL. He;s a battering ram type, with ideal traits for 3rd or 4th and short, or near the goal line, but simply not fast or elusive enough to feature as a running back as he's not suited for outside running or pass catching. Essentially an in-between the tackles type of runner. I do think he went to the right team though, as he's a hometown boy, and we; ve got an OL suited for power football. Still, I think we reached and he's a backup only type who might do well if he starts a few games, but that's it. I think Conner is a reach for round three.

Grade for value in the round C

Grade for need C+

What type of player do I think he will be in the NFL. As a role player
A, as a starting back C

Who I would have selected QB Nathan Peterman. Peterman was very productive on fairly decent, but far from powerhouse Pitt Panther team. I think he's close to NFL ready and would have shined more in college if he had a better team around him. You have to like his arm, TD to INT ratio ( 47 TD to 15 INT in the past 26 games ). He's also mobile in the pocket with no major injury issues. With Ben perhaps playing just one or two more seasons a plan B better than Landry Jones is clearly needed. While I realize most QB's do not pan out, I do think he'll play much better than Josh Dobbs if pressed into action early after sitting on the bench his rookie year.


Round four, QB Josh Dobbs. While I applaud the Steelers for taking a QB in the mid rounds, I do not think Dobbs is the answer. On the plus side, he's very smart and a decent runner. But okay, what type of QB is he? His accuracy, footwork and ball placement need a lot of work, and after 4 years of college ball where he played in 37 games, you'd figure these parts of his game would be better. Dobbs I think will struggle to move the chains in the NFL, and is mistake prone. For example, he threw nine interceptions on just 104 attempts beyond 10 yards this season. That's horrible. NFL DB's will feast on this. He's also on the thin side, with options outside of the NFL for a career path.

Value in the round C+

Value for need B

What type of NFL player do I think he will be C-, a 3rd string type, who might start and have too many up and downs to prevent an NFL team for looking for better.

Who would I have selected? ILB Anthony Walker. A very productive, fast, and height character type. A bit undersized, but durable and has the ability I think to stay on the field in nickel situations. Could be good on special teams too.


Round five, CB Brian Allen. On paper, Allen looks pretty good, but I think he's a work in progress type of corner, who if he could tackle would be better off as a free safety. As a corner, outside of a red zone or jump ball type, or deep zone man, I think he'll struggle in man coverage big time. He just does not have the quickness, and speed and his tackling is very weak. Allen allowed 21.7 yards per completion in 2016. Yikes. But he can pick the ball off. So you can deploy him on 3rd and long with 6 or 7 DB's on the field. My best guess is he does not dress early for NFL games and need a lot of work. Perhaps even as a practice squad player

Grade for Need A

Grade for Value in the round C+

What type of NFL player do I think he'll be? C-, likely off the team in 4-5 years or sooner.

Who would I have selected? S Xavier Woods. Woods also produced well in 2015 (56 tackles, 7.5 for loss, three INT, three PBU) and 2016 (89 tackles, 6.5 for loss, five INT, 6 PBU) all-conference campaign. You wish he was a little taller and faster, but the guy can hit and would make a fine 3rd safety, with a chance to start at SS.


Round six. LONG SNAPPER, Colin Holba.

Most drafts have 0 long snappers drafted, so you have to ask yourself why? Okay, Warren is 36, but this only means the best long snappers rookie free agents, which is usually ALL of them will try to be in our camp. I think it's likely we could get Hobla as a rookie free agent, but we spent a 6th round pick on him. He only been a snapper for 2 years in college and is slow as a coverage man with just two career tackles on punt returns. I read he's a very smart man, and in this case, he's also very lucky. Just don't give him #63 please...no worries the Steelers un-officialy retired Dirt's number

Grade for need D

Grade for Value in the round F

What Type of NFL player do I think he will be? A garden variety type of long snapper, not big enough to play OL in a pinch.

Who I would have selected ILB Elijah Lee. A very fall and fast Inside linebacker, who I think will be a special teams ace, and add value in the nickel. Lee is athletic and has the untapped upside to fill with the frame to add 10 pounds. I think he could be a steal here.


Round 7.

OLB Keion Adams is a decent small college program pass rusher, who wins with quickness, but he's not very long, or strong and looks undersized. I never heard of him, our 6th round pick, to be honest.

Grade for Need B

Grade for Value in the round C

What type of NFL player do I think he will be? Likely cut in year 1 or 2.

Who would I have selected? TE Anthony Auclair, a Candian prospect, who's tall with some speed. Obviously, he's going to need some coaching, but from a physical standpoint there is some upside here. The Steelers did not draft a tight end, but we could have used one.



So there you have it. I welcome others to join in and say who they would have drafted, as I will archive this time vault and open it up in 2020!
 
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I disagree about Conner. I think it is fair to say that at least temporarily (or maybe permenantly) the fullback is obsolete. Same way T-Formation was dropped. But there is a reason why Beast mode was so beastly. The ****** tacklers are getting so small that a big guy rumbling though the linebackers and secondary leaving fallen arm tackles in his wake.
 
I disagree about Conner. I think it is fair to say that at least temporarily (or maybe permenantly) the fullback is obsolete. Same way T-Formation was dropped. But there is a reason why Beast mode was so beastly. The ****** tacklers are getting so small that a big guy rumbling though the linebackers and secondary leaving fallen arm tackles in his wake.

I think Conner can help finish a game when we have the lead and run the clock. I think he's a good short yardage back. A guy who can give Bell breathers. And a great guy to have in the locker room.

The NFL has changed and there are no feature backs like him anymore. Give Conner a FB, and blocking TE, and a run heavy NFL, and he'd be better off.

That was then, this is now.

I see him as a he's a north / south type of guy, too slow to beat most LB's or most DE's on the outside, and does not have many moves. Hands look just all right, but not the guy to feature on down three. I can't see him on kick coverage either.

I'd like the pick a lot more if he was taken in say round 5 or 6.
 
Conner has a chance to be good on special teams. He was a beast at defensive end.
 
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