Coaching

[slashsteel]

Because from playing and coaching i know its been plenty of instances where i failed on a play or my teammates that i know we were was properly prepared for or when coaching i knew we had went over something a million times. Thats my reasoninng for not jumping on coaches. I know others may feel differently

you do know you could go over something a million times and still be wrong right?

as far as "properly" prepared that can ring true here and there, but it doesn't apply to trends.And it doesn't even lend to how many times you were correct with your teams assessments.

See right now you are twisting turning hoping to find something that can support the opinion you boxed in. Locked in on you sold it to yourself as true.

But every time you explain your stance it just gets stranger and stranger.

"because of playing and coaching"

I played too so ******* what

Doesn't give anyone some magical insight into reality.

Didn't for coach and it doesn't for you.

Bottom line the simplistic aspect of it all is.

Over the long term a coach needs to be able to adapt and adjust.

And win.

And not have any embarrassing losing trends.

Tomlin's only saving grace is he managed to not have any losing seasons.

But let that start to happen and you will see how quick "new money" can influence to get him run out of town one way or another.

 

[slashsteel]

So what's the point if having a head coach?

the winning coaches can thank their players that somehow they magically won whew

and the losing coaches, better cuss their players. Got them run out of town. No good ******** got a coach fired for no reason. SMH

 

[south dakota STEEL]

tomlin is a players coach, some players. he sits back and lets them run the team. IMO.

he's to afraid to make a decision, or to stupid. but it is what it is. Hoping the players can come together as a team and achieve on their own.

 

[antdrewjosh]

you do know you could go over something a million times and still be wrong right?

as far as "properly" prepared that can ring true here and there, but it doesn't apply to trends.And it doesn't even lend to how many times you were correct with your teams assessments.

See right now you are twisting turning hoping to find something that can support the opinion you boxed in. Locked in on you sold it to yourself as true.

But every time you explain your stance it just gets stranger and stranger.

"because of playing and coaching"

I played too so ******* what

Doesn't give anyone some magical insight into reality.

Didn't for coach and it doesn't for you.

Bottom line the simplistic aspect of it all is.

Over the long term a coach needs to be able to adapt and adjust.

And win.

And not have any embarrassing losing trends.

Tomlin's only saving grace is he managed to not have any losing seasons.

But let that start to happen and you will see how quick "new money" can influence to get him run out of town one way or another.

Ive never said my view is 100 % correct but is is mine. And it doesnt apply to all coaches you must win and Tomlin has done that. I dont agree with the offense philosophy at all. I would love to see more power formations. Knowing that i might not see the effect right away but as the game goes on. The difference is i dont call for the coaches heads becauee they choose to do things differently. They practice what they do all week go out and execute it. You must get results and for the most part we do. Even in his worst season with poor starts he has never lost his teams. And by playing and coaching i know just because you have prepared a team doesnt mean things go as planned. Sometimes you are out played. So when i see plays that could of worked but failed because of a drop here miss tackle there etc etc i dont jump on the coaching.

 

[slashsteel]

Ive never said my view is 100 % correct but is is mine. And it doesnt apply to all coaches you must win and Tomlin has done that. I dont agree with the offense philosophy at all. I would love to see more power formations. Knowing that i might not see the effect right away but as the game goes on. The difference is i dont call for the coaches heads becauee they choose to do things differently. They practice what they do all week go out and execute it. You must get results and for the most part we do. Even in his worst season with poor starts he has never lost his teams. And by playing and coaching i know just because you have prepared a team doesnt mean things go as planned. Sometimes you are out played. So when i see plays that could of worked but failed because of a drop here miss tackle there etc etc i dont jump on the coaching.

And sometimes you are outcoached.

Like the Steelers have trended against bottom feeding teams.

Made the one win Bears look like a SB contender. that is a 1 and 4 record, one win against yours truly.

Made the Jags look like a Juggernaut.

and so on and so on and so on

season after season after season

no not competitive losses, embarrassing ones

I am curious why you can't spot a trend, wouldn't fit your locked in coaching philosophy huh?

and if it is Haley trending down you replace him, and if it is the players you tweak them until they aren't trending down.

 

[antdrewjosh]

And sometimes you are outcoached.

Like the Steelers have trended against bottom feeding teams.

Made the one win Bears look like a SB contender. that is a 1 and 4 record, one win against yours truly.

Made the Jags look like a Juggernaut.

and so on and so on and so on

season after season after season

no not competitive losses, embarrassing ones

I am curious why you can't spot a trend, wouldn't fit your locked in coaching philosophy huh?

and if it is Haley trending down you replace him, and if it is the players you tweak them until they aren't trending down.

Cuz maybe i see the trend as that our QB hasnt played great in those games. So what great game plan was used that out coached us?? That we were so befuddled. Which game was this

 

[Litos]

Putting this out there as a separate thread as I read the below from Jesse yesterday and want to discuss coaching in one spot.

OFFENSE:

Jesse said the Jags were sitting on the Steelers crossing routes. He said they knew we were going to run them from scouting reports and they stopped the routes.

This is where coaching comes in. If they were stopping the routes, why the **** did Haley not switch things up? Why didn't Tomlin tell him to switch things up? Why the **** do we do the exact same things week in and week out with no adjustments? That **** is 100% coaching.

They knew what we wanted to do. Stopped it. And, we did nothing to counter their D. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do we suck so bad in the redzone with so much talent? I know Ben is partly to blame as is stupid penalties but 80% of the blame is on coaching. Ben gets the call and can change at the line to an alternate play - both come from Haley and the overall game theme and feel comes from Haley. This just makes no sense. We go with too much finesse in the redzone and it hasn't worked for years.

In Jax, we had 1st and goal from the 6 and did not run the ball once. A quick run up the gut (may not be Bell's forte, so use someone else) is what is needed on either 1st or 2nd down.

DEFENSE:

Why are we the only team to use 2 D linemen? Yes, you will get tired of me asking this. I have asked hundreds of times over the last 3 years because it does not work. "Sub-package" football, as our local sportscasters like to call it is total BS and the rest of the league is NOT doing it. If they do, they still keep a base front. You must. You still MUST win in the trenches to win NFL games. 2 D linemen can't do that.

In this game, we knew the Jags run power football and make you stop them. We knew Bortles sucks. We still used 2 D linemen. On a 3rd and 3, we had 6 DB's in the game. WTF! They ran for something like 10 for the easy first down.

Butler needs to stop this ****. If he won't Tomlin should. This **** does not work. If we can't stop the run against teams (so far this year) with below average passing attacks, what are we going to do when we start playing teams that can pass and run. KC has a decent passing attack and a great RB. I really can't see us keeping them under 30 and 40 points would not surprise me. I sure hope I am wrong on that but we know we can't stop the run against ****** passing teams.


I am typically not one to over-react on the fire Tomlin crap. And, I still don't think he is going anywhere. I love the stability at coaching the Steelers have had through the years and hope it continues. However, if we get spanked in KC this week because of the above items, Tomlin MUST do something. This season had so much promise and if we are sitting at 3-3 with some of our toughest games still to come, we are in trouble. My call would be to get rid of Haley. But, I have not been impressed with Butler either. On the D side, that could be just as much Tomlin getting too involved as it is on Butler.

What am I missing?

can't agree more with this post, was thinking of writing something similar

 

[slashsteel]

Cuz maybe i see the trend as that our QB hasnt played great in those games. So what great game plan was used that out coached us?? That we were so befuddled. Which game was this

so Ben is the trend now? why is your debates have it where someone has to go do some research for them to be right?

Again the coach is also responsible to tweak the QB if he is having negative leading to losses types of trends.

And it brings us right back to Tommy Tom.

 

[antdrewjosh]

so Ben is the trend now? why is your debates have it where someone has to go do some research for them to be right?

Again the coach is also responsible to tweak the QB if he is having negative leading to losses types of trends.

And it brings us right back to Tommy Tom.

Because at least try to back what you are saying. You are saying we were outcoached. I asked when. I say the players need to play better then try to provide proof i
of that(with gif breakdowns) with plays that we were left on the field. Not saying im totally correct but i at least try. You just say they were outcoached.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Because at least try to back what you are saying. You are saying we were outcoached. I asked when. I say the players need to play better then try to provide proof i
of that(with gif breakdowns) with plays that we were left on the field. Not saying im totally correct but i at least try. You just say they were outcoached.

If you set a player up to fail, and he does indeed fail, is it the players fault for not executing or is it the coaches fault for not putting a player in a position to succeed? If we asked Dri Archer to block Ray Lewis and Ben gets sacked by Ray, is that on Archer or the coach who asked Archer to pick up the block?

 

[bmoritz]

Come on Steeler Pride, Tomlin does nothing wrong. It's 100% on the players, Tomlin is perfect, it's the stupid players that can't see his genious.

 

[chipped ham]

If you set a player up to fail, and he does indeed fail, is it the players fault for not executing or is it the coaches fault for not putting a player in a position to succeed? If we asked Dri Archer to block Ray Lewis and Ben gets sacked by Ray, is that on Archer or the coach who asked Archer to pick up the block?

No, but you'd also hope that when you ask your 14 year, 2x Super Bowl Champion, HOF Quarterback to be the man that your gameplan is centered around, you hope that he doesn't throw 5 interceptions, or lay eggs against inferior opponents, and be unable to produce touchdowns. Truth is that Ben's play against supposedly "weaker" competition is as much to blame as is coaching. His play has been poor in many of those contests, sometimes being directly responsible for a loss as was this last Sunday.

 

[antdrewjosh]

If you set a player up to fail, and he does indeed fail, is it the players fault for not executing or is it the coaches fault for not putting a player in a position to succeed? If we asked Dri Archer to block Ray Lewis and Ben gets sacked by Ray, is that on Archer or the coach who asked Archer to pick up the block?

That would definitely be on the coach lol.

 

[Steeler Pride]

That would definitely be on the coach lol.

I know that was a far fetched example but it was mainly to prove a point. We have so much talent on our OL yet we continue to have stupid numbers of penalties, missed assignments..etc. After 5 weeks of the same mistakes repeatedly, what coach is asking the question of WHY? Why is DeCastro jumping offside so frequently, is it Ben's Cadence that has changed, is it mental focus, is it that he is worrying about having to pick up slack from someone else...why? It is my job as a coach to fix the problem, and if it doesn't get fixed it is MY FAULT. Why is Jesse James wiffing on blocks, is it a playbook issue as in he doesn't know his assignment based on the D formation, is it lack of focus, is it the play itself that is not designed properly...etc. Whatever the reason is, it is my responsibility as a coach to fix the problem. If guys continually cannot execute then who is asking the question of why? If they are confused, then simplify the offense/defense until guys understand their responsibilities on each play. If a guy continues to make the same mistakes repeatedly and I keep him in the lineup, that is on me. Ben has struggled in the RZ, is it the play calling, is he making the correct audibles, are the receivers running the right routes, are the plays that he can check to valid? When we continue to have the same redzone problems, the buck has to stop with the coach because it is a continual problem. You are paid to be a coach, a teacher, and a problem solver, if you cannot teach, solve a problem, or coach, what exactly are you getting paid to do.

 

[Stoney]

This thread is soooo racist.


Thats all I got.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

And sometimes you are outcoached.



I am curious why you can't spot a trend, wouldn't fit your locked in coaching philosophy huh?

and if it is Haley trending down you replace him, and if it is the players you tweak them until they aren't trending down.

Remember the rat turds replacing their OC at the beginning of the season and went on to win the SB?

 

[Coryea]

Remember the rat turds replacing their OC at the beginning of the season and went on to win the SB?

And suddenly Flacco looked like a top tier QB, this offense needs tweaked, there's no arguing that

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[Coach]

I think Colbert did a very good job assembling the team, especially for this year. There is a good mix of veterans and young talent with several impact rookies this year. Add in some of his late additions and this team had talent across the board and solid depth. The coaching staff needs to find a way to get these pieces working.

I agree Tomlin owes hos job to Colbert and Ben.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I know that was a far fetched example but it was mainly to prove a point. We have so much talent on our OL yet we continue to have stupid numbers of penalties, missed assignments..etc. After 5 weeks of the same mistakes repeatedly, what coach is asking the question of WHY? Why is DeCastro jumping offside so frequently, is it Ben's Cadence that has changed, is it mental focus, is it that he is worrying about having to pick up slack from someone else...why? It is my job as a coach to fix the problem, and if it doesn't get fixed it is MY FAULT. Why is Jesse James wiffing on blocks, is it a playbook issue as in he doesn't know his assignment based on the D formation, is it lack of focus, is it the play itself that is not designed properly...etc. Whatever the reason is, it is my responsibility as a coach to fix the problem. If guys continually cannot execute then who is asking the question of why? If they are confused, then simplify the offense/defense until guys understand their responsibilities on each play. If a guy continues to make the same mistakes repeatedly and I keep him in the lineup, that is on me. Ben has struggled in the RZ, is it the play calling, is he making the correct audibles, are the receivers running the right routes, are the plays that he can check to valid? When we continue to have the same redzone problems, the buck has to stop with the coach because it is a continual problem. You are paid to be a coach, a teacher, and a problem solver, if you cannot teach, solve a problem, or coach, what exactly are you getting paid to do.

EXTREMELY well said !!!!!!!!!





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[kev4heels]

Was James supposed to block on that play or get open? Can't tell by just watching that clip. He went straight into the endzone and was open. I guess he could have run the wrong route but don't know.

He has to be careful not to block too early. If the ball hasn't been thrown and he is caught blocking, it's a penalty.
Looks to me like he would have been fine blocking. I can't see any other possibility on that play. He is obviously not running a route.