Coaching vs execution

[antdrewjosh]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2015/12/game-rewind-steelers-vs-ravens-game-notes-2/

Just read thru this and watch some of the plays we discussed over and over. Coaching vs execution..

 

[slashsteel]

it is more coaching VS bad personnel decisions

They have been missing a lot with the draft and trying to replace it with free agent scrubs..

a combination that can deplete your talent level quickly

 

[Vader]

I didn't see anything about coaching on that site. It was all execution.

 

[Stoney]

So teams like New England, Arizona, and Seattle can find second and third stringers that can execute, but we can't find first stringers that can? Players come and go, the one thing that remains consistent is the coaching staff, so who do you blame for assembling a team that can't execute?

Do we have undersized, slow, and weak LBs banging down the door at Heinz? Or does our coaching staff go after these guys (and yes, you know MT tells Colbert what kind of players he's looking for and provides some names).

Who do you blame?

 

[MTC]

Its more so coaching if its a recurring pattern for 5 years. Tomlins system isnt bringing out the best of his players consistently. I get it that players are going to have bad days. But to consistently lose to low teams? Eh looking at you Cool Shades

 

[slashsteel]

So teams like New England, Arizona, and Seattle can find second and third stringers that can execute, but we can't find first stringers that can? Players come and go, the one thing that remains consistent is the coaching staff, so who do you blame for assembling a team that can't execute?

Do we have undersized, slow, and weak LBs banging down the door at Heinz? Or does our coaching staff go after these guys (and yes, you know MT tells Colbert what kind of players he's looking for and provides some names).

Who do you blame?

A coach is the last in line who you blame for green lighting bad decisions.

We all know Vick was Tomlin's idea, what a **** show that was.

And if I was a betting man, I would say Colbert lines them up, and Tommy Tom puts his own two cents in and gets the final nod.

Steelers were hitting on their first round picks then all of a sudden nothing?

no ******* way. That coach that makes some bone headed stupid decisions on the field, is following suit behind closed doors.

 

[Punxsutawney]

So teams like New England, Arizona, and Seattle can find second and third stringers that can execute, but we can't find first stringers that can? Players come and go, the one thing that remains consistent is the coaching staff, so who do you blame for assembling a team that can't execute?

Do we have undersized, slow, and weak LBs banging down the door at Heinz? Or does our coaching staff go after these guys (and yes, you know MT tells Colbert what kind of players he's looking for and provides some names).

Who do you blame?

Yep.

Different players, particularly in the secondary, but the same **** year after year. There's really only one constant.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well if Heath Miller misses his block on a play where James is brought down a yd short who would you blame.

On the 4th and 1 play if DeCastro and Wallace can't handle Jernigan causing Foster to trip on his pull and not be able to reach his block who fault is it?

Never mind the coaches

 

[Slash#10]

Has nothing to do with Big Ben on the road stat 2 TD's & 7 INT this season? It's player execution.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Has nothing to do with Big Ben on the road stat 2 TD's & 7 INT this season? It's player execution.

Then that's the coaches fault obviously Landry should start on road

 

[MTC]

A coach is the last in line who you blame for green lighting bad decisions.

We all know Vick was Tomlin's idea, what a **** show that was.

And if I was a betting man, I would say Colbert lines them up, and Tommy Tom puts his own two cents in and gets the final nod.

Steelers were hitting on their first round picks then all of a sudden nothing?

no ******* way. That coach that makes some bone headed stupid decisions on the field, is following suit behind closed doors.

No kidding how do you go from drafting guys like Ben, Heath, Polamalu, Hampton to guys like Jarvis, Mendenhall(was ok), etc. Colbert looked like a genius under Cowher. It's Tomlin. Everyone sees it. Why doesnt Tomlin take our complaining with a grain of salt and just man up and unleash hell for realsies

 

[Sarge]

I didn't see anything about coaching on that site. It was all execution.

That is his point. Coaching was fine. It was all execution.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So tell me what's wrong with the playcall if Heath Miller executes his block?

 

[Sarge]

So tell me what's wrong with the playcall if Heath Miller executes his block?

You aren't sucking me into this endless, ridiculous, circular argument. No sir. I was just helping Vader out.

 

[slashsteel]

No kidding how do you go from drafting guys like Ben, Heath, Polamalu, Hampton to guys like Jarvis, Mendenhall(was ok), etc. Colbert looked like a genius under Cowher. It's Tomlin. Everyone sees it. Why doesnt Tomlin take our complaining with a grain of salt and just man up and unleash hell for realsies

There is only one way to solve this problem. At one time I thought hell maybe he would learn from his mistakes become a better coach.

But he is cocky and seems to always point more toward the players, you know the same players he decided was the best for the Steelers.

Hell even the ownership might know the team will now win another under Tomlin.

But the fans keep buying and buying.

And Tomlin wins just enough ....


just enoughhhhh for the purchases to continue

(BTW I buy regardless if they W or L)

but I think it is why we are stuck with him..... for however long...who knows


as painful as it is


I think it is time for a drink.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You aren't sucking me into this endless, ridiculous, circular argument. No sir. I was just helping Vader out.

Exactly no answer. We can't or shouldn't expect Heath Miller to execute that block. It's easier to just say coaching. Got it. Even when it's right in front of someone face people would rather fall back on something that can't be proved.. the pic shows right there if Miller gets his man it's a first down.

 

[slashsteel]

Exactly no answer. We can't or shouldn't expect Heath Miller to execute that block. It's easier to just say coaching. Got it. Even when it's right in front of someone face people would rather fall back on something that can't be proved.. the pic shows right there if Miller gets his man it's a first down.

years of repetitive issues

and you still don't blame coaches who make the decisions good or bad huh?

yinz must be one of those fans that think Tommy Tom is going to pull a SB victory out of his *** despite making bone headed decisions on and off the field....

 

[antdrewjosh]

Heath Miller is a repetitive issue?

Ryan Shazier is a young 1st round pick what are they to do not play him. We've all seen him at his best 15 tackles against the 49ers no other player has that potential. He has to play better

 

[slashsteel]

Heath Miller is repetitive issue?

no thread to thread you focusing on the players over the coaching is interesting


I am curious what it would take yinz to want Tomlin gone.

 

[Slash#10]

No kidding how do you go from drafting guys like Ben, Heath, Polamalu, Hampton to guys like Jarvis, Mendenhall(was ok), etc. Colbert looked like a genius under Cowher. It's Tomlin. Everyone sees it. Why doesnt Tomlin take our complaining with a grain of salt and just man up and unleash hell for realsies

And Cowher only participated in one Superbowl with those "Hall of Fame" draft picks you mentioned. Tomlin has been to the dance twice. Those obsessed with comparing everything Cowher vs Tomlin never really just sit back and realize Cowher teams were no more successful than Tomlin's. Super Bowls won and lost are the same. Both are very similar in winning percentage in regular season, playoffs, and overall. Yes, Cowher's teams were smash mouth and tough defense. Tomlin's teams are air it out, no-huddle, light up the scoreboard. What I will give the notch to Cowher is that in his first 6 years Steelers were in the playoffs, but they all ended in losses.

It's really about the players and lack of execution. Think about those interceptions Ben threw in the 4th qrt of the 1st Bengals game and the Bronco game. What does that have to do with Tomlin. Nothing! It's about the players on the field poor performances. It can be missed blocking assignments, dropped passes, missed tackles, poor pass pressure, etc... You can bring in Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, and John Wooden all in one. If the players aren't playing consistently well than you're going to lose to bad teams.

We've watched this team win with Landry Jones and Mike Vick at QB, the coaches were the same. It's beyond time to put the pressure on the players starting with our $100 million QB

 

[antdrewjosh]

no thread to thread you focusing on the players over the coaching is interesting


I am curious what it would take yinz to want Tomlin gone.

Should we or should We not expect that block to be made.

You want me to go back. If O'donnell anticipates Foster being open instead of waiting until he turned all the way around the linebacker has no chance of making a play.. but **** it it was Cowher and Earnhardt fault. I'm consistent in my argument. Players play

 

[SteelerFan448]

If this is what you use to prove that it's coaching vs. execution, then you can NEVER blame a coach for anything the players fail to execute. Remember that there are two teams competing on the field and you aren't going to win every battle. One thing that stood out was Shazier. It is well known that he can't fight off a block to save his life and needs protected by his defensive line, yet the Steelers continue to trot out two defensive linemen with no nose tackle. I understand that personnel packages dictate this sometimes, but when teams continually gash you on the ground in the nickel package, maybe adjust. Maybe throw in a tough, physical player like Vince Williams to handle the run since your first-round pick can't do it.

 

[slashsteel]

And Cowher only participated in one Superbowl with those "Hall of Fame" draft picks you mentioned. Tomlin has been to the dance twice. Those obsessed with comparing everything Cowher vs Tomlin never really just sit back and realize Cowher teams were no more successful than Tomlin's. Super Bowls won and lost are the same. Both are very similar in winning percentage in regular season, playoffs, and overall. Yes, Cowher's teams were smash mouth and tough defense. Tomlin's teams are air it out, no-huddle, light up the scoreboard. What I will give the notch to Cowher is that in his first 6 years Steelers were in the playoffs, but they all ended in losses.

It's really about the players and lack of execution. Think about those interceptions Ben threw in the 4th qrt of the 1st Bengals game and the Bronco game. What does that have to do with Tomlin. Nothing! It's about the players on the field poor performances. It can be missed blocking assignments, dropped passes, missed tackles, poor pass pressure, etc... You can bring in Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, and John Wooden all in one. If the players aren't playing consistently well than you're going to lose to bad teams.

We've watched this team win with Landry Jones and Mike Vick at QB, the coaches were the same. It's beyond time to put the pressure on the players starting with our $100 million QB

Difference is Tomlin has a franchise QB and the expectations are high.


I am not one to compare the two, as I look at what they are doing and which way they are trending.

In Cowher's last year I was calling for him to leave as something wasn't right about him.

Fast forward to now I see Tomlin trending in the wrong direction.

I think he has regressed as a decision making coach, and I feel it is time for him to leave.

Year after year he has cemented that feeling for me....As they continue to under-perform as a team.

I am not sure many would say otherwise...

 

[slashsteel]

Should we or should We not expect that block to be made.

You want me to go back. If O'donnell anticipates Foster being open instead of waiting until he turned all the way around the linebacker has no chance of making a play.. but **** it it was Cowher and Earnhardt fault. I'm consistent in my argument. Players play

I asked yinz what it would take for you to want Tomlin gone... I am not focusing on individual plays.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I asked yinz what it would take for you to want Tomlin gone... I am not focusing on individual plays.

Why not? Isn't that where the game is won or lost