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Can we all finally agree that Tomlin needs to be canned?

BTW comparing Tomlin to a GF or ex GF is disturbing, and in no way makes any football sense.
 
MTC said:
Maybe we just lack in leadership in general.
Ben has matured, and led somewhat.
Juju is growing into a leader by example.
I thought they'd rally behind Shazier.


Perhaps coaching is holding the team back.
If Tomlin doesn't go at least get rid of Butler.
The team doesn't really do outside hires. Which is what makes the Steelers the Steelers.

I get it; tradition and all.
But maybe it's time to start a new tradition and give the current roster and identity they can rally around and be proud of.
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Doesn't fit the narrative. Keep Tommy Tom at all costs.
 
MTC said:
Lol. Haven't went too deep in this thread.
Who's ex?
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Leb he says Tomlin was the once hot now boring GF.

Maybe there is a poster on the wall after all.
 
slashsteel said:
For some reason that is your view. Not sure where you pulled that view from. Wishful thinking? Prayers?
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Because he has won one regardless of whose players it was and gotten us to another. Empirical evidence says he can and many many other Coaches have never gotten there. It doesn't mean he will or that another coach wouldn't but he has proven he can.
 
Yeah let Tomlin go to another team I would be all in on that bet.

BTW this decade Tommy playoff record is below mediocre.

Coaches don't just get graded on regular season performances.

Just not how it works.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Because he has won one regardless of whose players it was and gotten us to another. Empirical evidence says he can and many many other Coaches have never gotten there. It doesn't mean he will or that another coach wouldn't but he has proven he can.
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Won what? 1 SB? At the beginning of his career?

lol Seriously man that isn't good enough.

This is a what you have done for me lately league.

Ask McCarthy how well that 1 SB worked out for him.
 
slashsteel said:
Leb he says Tomlin was the once hot now boring GF.

Maybe there is a poster on the wall after all.
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No Tomlin posters on the wall only old school stuff. Guys don't get me wrong i am frustrated I just have a different perspective on it and don't want to live my life being a glass half empty type. If he goes and we get a great Coach fine but I don't see it happening no matter how much we ***** on here so why get worked up over things we can't control and try to take a more positive healthy view.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
No Tomlin posters on the wall only old school stuff. Guys don't get me wrong i am frustrated I just have a different perspective on it and don't want to live my life being a glass half empty type. If he goes and we get a great Coach fine but I don't see it happening no matter how much we ***** on here so why get worked up over things we can't control and try to take a more positive healthy view.
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Positive was the first 5 years of fails. A decade later those positives are replaced by yearly results of underperfoming.

The leagues leading passer in a passing league won't be in the playoffs.

That is mind numbing.

And not good enough.
 
I agree that we are ALL PISSED.....
 
How many OC, DC, position coaches, and assistant coaches does this team need to go through before the top brass gets that there is one common denominator????
 
Steel Ballin said:
How many OC, DC, position coaches, and assistant coaches does this team need to go through before the top brass gets that there is one common denominator????
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Does Ben need to be gone before some fans realize shades isn't the answer?
 
slashsteel said:
I think some hold onto homer views of Tomlin continue despite the fact he has given nobody confidence that he can get this team back to a SB and win it.


There is no homer views of talent this team is talented enough.

They are in the top 10 of O and D statistically. But in game decision making is losing games.

This team isn't losing because of talent.

Scheme and coaching yes

talent no.
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You really think we are talented enough in defense up the middle? I don’t I think we are close but no not to the point where I am comfortable that even in the right call someone like Breeze won’t tear up this secondary. Coty did ok but we really really need a corner that can cover better. We also need a leader in the middle with better play awareness and speed.


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SteelerInLebanon said:
To a point so what. Would you then hold that against the next coach if he won right away?


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If he runs a different defensive scheme and or offensive scheme...then I would say he has changed. What exactly did Tomlin change when he took over the Steelers, pretty much nothing. We ran the same LeBeau zone blitz defense and the same offensive playbook. It's about more than just personnel.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I just want to know what you will or would say if the next Coach comes in here with Ben and totally lays an egg and destroys Ben's last couple years worse than you feel Tomlin is, would then you feel remorse for calling for Tomlin's head. I know it could go the other way and a new guy comes in wins a Superbowl with Tomlin's team, then goes 10 years without having a losing record but doesn't win another one without Tomlin's talent.

As frustrating as it can be the patience we have with coaches is one of the defining things for me with this franchise. Unlike Marvin in Cincy Mike has earned a least some respect. I honestly feel this defense has overachieved versus the talent we have a MLB and our #2 CB. I think we are also weak at Safety strictly from a leadership perspective not pure talent.

For me it comes down to wha we have i our Coach versus what we could get. I would have to blown away by the replacement to want to see him go. I don't want McCarthy or someone like him.
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What do you do for work ?
 
Boycott the last game, show them an empty stadium with FIRE TOMLIN protests outside.

Empty seats will get the Rooney's attention, DO IT!

Don't! accept this clown shitshow one more minute

BOYCOTT!


slashsteel said:
Wouldn't do anything. Money is already flowing in from the purchased tickets. And then you have the other monies they get.

Fans displeasure means nothing to their wallet.
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You aren't understanding what I'M SAYING, i DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MONEY


I want a BOYCOTT PROTEST outside on gameday, a PICKET LINE of 10,000 sign carrying FAN UNION of protesters burning their tickets ON CAMERA for the NATIONAL SPORTS MEDIA and have it all uploaded on SOCIAL MEDIA


FIRE TOMLIN

FIRE TOMLIN

FIRE TOMLIN


A media shitstorm to follow that the local press can't suppress
 
Steeler Pride said:
If he runs a different defensive scheme and or offensive scheme...then I would say he has changed. What exactly did Tomlin change when he took over the Steelers, pretty much nothing. We ran the same LeBeau zone blitz defense and the same offensive playbook. It's about more than just personnel.
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You're right. There is a huge difference between Cowher retiring and getting rid of Tomlin. Cowher won a SB a year before Tomlin took over. Tomlin then wins a SB with almost the exact same team. IF a coach were hired today they'd have to change the defense. Schematic and personnel. They aren't inheriting a SB caliber team. This team has won what? 3 Playoff games in 8 years? Totally different.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
You really think we are talented enough in defense up the middle? I don’t I think we are close but no not to the point where I am comfortable that even in the right call someone like Breeze won’t tear up this secondary. Coty did ok but we really really need a corner that can cover better. We also need a leader in the middle with better play awareness and speed.


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That is offseason decision making or the lack of it. Williams is a questionable starter at best. Bostic was a signing trying to fill a hole instead of upgrading a deficiency. Obviously pass coverage is a liability , but yet they keep trotting that same scheme out there. And the same players.

I would have kept Fort out there and replaced Williams with a S.

It begins as a talent fail (at the position), and because the coaches didn't adjust it when they saw it wasn't working? Shifts to them. Tomlin/Butler. They are to blame two fold, before and after the season started.

For as I go BTW when I mention D my references involve both coaches, Butler too. Because I am not sure who is the bigger culprit.

But the off season decision making and the in game decision making, point more toward Tomlin.
 
Tomlin backers are absent in this thread, and we know who they are.

This season is going to end on a sour note, and his incompetence is a reason why.
 
Tibs said:
I'm not going bezerk over Tomlin, or the idea the Steelers need to replace him.

I would like to see a fundamental change with the entire Defensive coaching staff, DC on down. This post-LeBeau hybrid defense needs to be chucked aside and a new DC brought in with free reigns to build a staff and implement a new system. Whatever we have with Butler has been so watered down since LeBeau left, the whole defensive scheme is running on fumes. In addition, serious upgrades are needed on D, which falls on Colbert. Lord knows they have the $$ with Bell's savings, sign 2-3 impact defenders under 30. The draft too needs to go heavy on D.

If indeed Ben is back with this high-powered O, it should be an all-hands-on-deck approach on rebuilding this once-proud Steelers defense.
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Would love to see us sign either edge rusher Frank Clark from Seattle or DB Roby from Denver...or both :)
 
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