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Butler: I’m coaching players for Super Bowl, not Pro Bowl

And it certainly appears we made a huge assumption error. Unless some type of magical **** happens this year you can count me in the clean house wagon. They need to be refreshed and brought back to the identity they've always been known for. Which was incredibly successful.
I agree completely. While there may be an excuse for the offense, there is no excuse for our defense to be as leaky as it has been over the last 5 years.
 
They need to be refreshed and brought back to the identity they've always been known for. Which was incredibly successful.

Even in the first 40 years of Steelerdom they were known as 'physical'. Sloppy, uncoordinated, unfocused, even (usually) poorly coached, but a bunch of brawlers. Noll turned the team into a well drilled machine. Maybe not always the very best man at a particular position, but well schooled and prepared. They knew their jobs and the did them. And they were physical. Cowher's teams were the same in terms of schooling - but give Noll the nod. Both were physical.

This bunch has wandered through 13 years without (early coordinators aside) development and coaching. As has been broadly noted, the team got by well on the Cowher holdovers, but the sun has set on all but Ben.

Yeah.. Clean house. Find another Chin and get the swagger back. People need to fear the middle of the Steeler defense, not picnic in it.
 
IMHO there was no greater coach than Noll. He took an organization that was a laughing stock and turned it into a dynasty. I'm not sure that's ever been done before. And he did it without cheating. He was a teacher and a true leader. It's a shame that Bilicheat has more SB wins than Noll. He isn't fit to tie Noll's shoes.
 
If you have a bunch of defensive players playing well enough to get to the Pro Bowl you have a good chance to get to the Super Bowl. Do the first and you have a chance for the second Butler, you genius.
 
Yeah, well 90% of Steeler fans felt that way at the time.

I'm in the 7% as I wanted DL gone but someone from outside the organization brought in. Keith isn't really the DC & tomlin won't admit to being it so I think both should go.




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Cowher paid a visit to the Burgh Friday...Rooney asked these three to step aside, take notes and watch how coaching is supposed to be done.

Fichtner looks like he wants to learn, Tomlin looks interested but at the same time resentful, Butler looks resentful and completely disinterested...he didn't even take note paper..
 
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I’m not going to try to make myself look good at the cost of the team and giving up yards and stuff like that. That’s the biggest thing that we’ve gotta do with the defense, I think.”

Who in the actual **** is doing THiS??? That is the biggest problem with the defense? That is what the man said!

Please see my earlier post on page 1




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Hindsight. DL's scheme was done, expired. It was time for a change as it is now.

The scheme was fine, the HC and GM stopped drafting players to fit it..

Not totally, DLB's defense was slipping his last few years with substantially the same players. Other teams were using the Pats****** blueprint of short passes to march right down the field. If the opponent had a good OL they would tear us up with 8 yard passes since DLB insisted on playing 10 yards off receivers. The D would work if we got to the QB fast but if we were not able to do that then it made for a long day. The DL clogged up the OL and LB's rushed but that left openings in the middle of the field which the QB could exploit if he had time. Since the D rarely played man coverage there were gaps in the middle. We still see this with the Shades/Butler defense where the opposing QB can throw passes straight down the middle for 10 yards and find an open receiver every goddamn ******* time.
 
Yeah, well 90% of Steeler fans felt that way at the time.

Most of us thought Butler would be DL part II, having all the acquired knowledge, but with added innovation.

It was kind of like watching the evening news without all the facts and making assumptions.
 
Most of us thought Butler would be DL part II, having all the acquired knowledge, but with added innovation.

It was kind of like watching the evening news without all the facts and making assumptions.

Honestly I can't tell what the hell is going on any more.
 
Honestly I can't tell what the hell is going on any more.

Well the Steeler aren't defending the run or pass very well, and aren't passing or running it very well.

The players still look lost on D when it matter the most, and can't move the ball down the field when it matters the most.

No coach is shining.

And Steelernation is still waiting to see some glimmer of hope, not that a win or a loss to the Bengals ****** *** team could really bring that.

So stock up on alcohol and everyone water down expectations as it is going to be a long year.

Oh and my Steelers tumbler I just fricken bought leaks /doesn't completely seal. Which is defensively appropriate.

That covers the what is going on for the week....


go Steelers !
 
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In the past when the STEELERS where in a similar or down situation, we'd be thinking this is a great tune up game. This day and age we are hoping not to be embarrassed and maybe eeeeek out a win.





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Not totally, DLB's defense was slipping his last few years with substantially the same players. Other teams were using the Pats****** blueprint of short passes to march right down the field. If the opponent had a good OL they would tear us up with 8 yard passes since DLB insisted on playing 10 yards off receivers. The D would work if we got to the QB fast but if we were not able to do that then it made for a long day. The DL clogged up the OL and LB's rushed but that left openings in the middle of the field which the QB could exploit if he had time. Since the D rarely played man coverage there were gaps in the middle. We still see this with the Shades/Butler defense where the opposing QB can throw passes straight down the middle for 10 yards and find an open receiver every goddamn ******* time.

Coach Lebeau was the scapegoat for Tombert's defensive drafting incompetence. His defenses were perenial top 5 when provided the talent to run it. Butlin's defenses have been mid to back of the pack since taking over and have regressed just about every year. DL's bend don't break philosophy worked a hell of a lot better than the shitshow they have now. There is no lead big enough for the current D to surrender. Let's say it was time for him to go; even Stevie Wonder could see that there was no way in hell Butler/Tomlin was going to be an improvement.
 
IMHO there was no greater coach than Noll. He took an organization that was a laughing stock and turned it into a dynasty. I'm not sure that's ever been done before. And he did it without cheating. He was a teacher and a true leader. It's a shame that Bilicheat has more SB wins than Noll. He isn't fit to tie Noll's shoes.

Noll is definitely in the conversation for the greatest coach ever.

To me it is between him, Walsh, Lombardi and Gibbs.

People always argue with me about Gibbs, but he won Superbowls with three different QBs. I'm fairly confident that will never be done again.
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this but nobody has defended NE's short passing game because it is based on illegal picks that the refs refuse to call. What is LeBeau to do? Or any coach? I'm not blasting Butler for losing to NE. He should be fired along with his buddy HC because of having a defense full of #1 round picks and being one of the worst defenses in the league. LeBeau was doing fine until Tomlin starting putting his 2 cents into the mix. He wanted smaller LBs and he wanted to move away from the 3 DL base for a 2 DL base. That's probably why DL left. Tomlin thought he was a genius DC and wanted to show it off. Now he has all this high drafted talent and can't do anything with it.
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed this but nobody has defended NE's short passing game because it is based on illegal picks that the refs refuse to call. What is LeBeau to do? Or any coach? I'm not blasting Butler for losing to NE. He should be fired along with his buddy HC because of having a defense full of #1 round picks and being one of the worst defenses in the league. LeBeau was doing fine until Tomlin starting putting his 2 cents into the mix. He wanted smaller LBs and he wanted to move away from the 3 DL base for a 2 DL base. That's probably why DL left. Tomlin thought he was a genius DC and wanted to show it off. Now he has all this high drafted talent and can't do anything with it.

Notice how the Patriots do not get picked apart by the short passes to the extent that other teams do.

Look at how big their LBs are, compared to most teams.

Everyone is going to the smaller, quicker LBs to combat the increase in short passing, except for Belichick who seems to understand physics better than basically every other coach in the league.

Bigger LBs occupy more space and are better able to impact the routes of receivers with the slightest push/shove in a league that is becoming increasingly timing/short passing dependent.

In addition, keeping bigger LBs helps their ability to match up in crucial 3rd/4th and short situations.

People can question Belichick's ethics all they want, but he knows what he's doing from a scheme standpoint.
 
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