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Bryant's upside in 2017?

Drink IRON City said:
Not putting words into anybody's mouth but I think coach was more along the lines of AB has to make more than one juke to gather distance where as Bryant makes one juke and he's to the house. No question on AB's elusiveness but with him doubled that means he has to make more people miss as opposed to Bryant, he only has one to make miss.



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I agree that this is the intent. Not sure it holds true.

2015 AB had 10 td's on 136 catches (7.35%) MB had 6 TD's on 50 catches (12%). 2016 AB has 12 TDs on 30 less catches (11.3%).

Assuming more catches on MB's part holds the exact 12%, do you take the ball away from one of the top 2 WR in the league for a 5% (or .7%) increase in the possibility of a TD?

In 2014 it was 10% for AB and 30.8% for MB (26 catches). MB's catches doubled in 2015 and his TD rate plummeted by more than 1/2. In the 2015 Post season, MB had twice the catches of AB (14 to 7), with 1 TD (7.14%). How credible is it that more touches brings the TD ratio back up over 12%?
 
Litos said:
I have to disagree, Brown is the team's most electric WR after the catch, ih his stats don't show differently is because he is the focus of the D and is always double covered, but don't tell me Bryant is more elusive than him
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Different guys. Bryant is faster, and harder to tackle, plus a real side line and red zone threat. More of a home run threat too. Brown is not better in this regards, nor is he a better blocker, or as much of a threat as a reverse run option.

Browns' game is quickness, hands and keeping his speed as he turns.

I see no reason why Bryant can't get more balls. Stallworth and Swann had different games for example. Wallace and Ward did just fine together was well.
 
Maybe we should throw in the lower percentage passes that tend to go Bryant's way. I don't know the breakdown of each pass, but his catch % in 2015 is significantly lower than AB. He didn't miss any passes in 2016, though.
 
Coach.....I think if Bryant is healthy and ready to go that there is a better chance AB get his 2000 yds than the 80-1600-15 that you think Bryant can/will get.
 
I dont care who gets better numbers on the team. Bryant is a physical specimen. AB is work, precision and unbelievable hands. Much like TO and Moss were way bigger matchup issues, Id still take Ward over both of them.
 
ark steel said:
I agree that this is the intent. Not sure it holds true.

2015 AB had 10 td's on 136 catches (7.35%) MB had 6 TD's on 50 catches (12%). 2016 AB has 12 TDs on 30 less catches (11.3%).

Assuming more catches on MB's part holds the exact 12%, do you take the ball away from one of the top 2 WR in the league for a 5% (or .7%) increase in the possibility of a TD?

In 2014 it was 10% for AB and 30.8% for MB (26 catches). MB's catches doubled in 2015 and his TD rate plummeted by more than 1/2. In the 2015 Post season, MB had twice the catches of AB (14 to 7), with 1 TD (7.14%). How credible is it that more touches brings the TD ratio back up over 12%?
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I would assume to go with the HOT hand at the time. TAKE what is given but the HOT hand would be it, otherwise it wouldn't be hot. AB will get his touches as will Bryant. It's the combination that will allow each to get their respective %s. With out one, the other drops in his respective %....Kapish.....?





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coach, the throws you want for Bryant are very boom or bust, they don't move chains. He has to learn the whole route tree if he is to get 80 to 100 catches
 
75 catches 1200 yards 13 tds most coming in 3-4 games. His season will be full of fantasy owners wishing they started him the week before. 3tds 140 yards one week, followed by one catch 29 yards!
 
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Well, Bryant can do more with the ball in his hands than Bell or AB as a receiver. Just look a the yards per catch, Red Zone % to TD's, and such. Bell is more of a safety value type of receiver, good to move the chains, but far from a threat to take it a long distance.

We go to Brown a bit too much, teams picked up on it, doubled or rolled coverage his way, which hurt the offense at times.

Bryant sure can get 80 catches. IMO, if he's clean and healthy, he needs more targets and his presence alone on the field makes us much harder to defend.

Litos said:
I have to disagree, Brown is the team's most electric WR after the catch, ih his stats don't show differently is because he is the focus of the D and is always double covered, but don't tell me Bryant is more elusive than him
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Bryant is faster, and harder to bring down period. Brown might have some more moves to get past the first man. Granted. Bryant has his share of moves too, but with the ball in their hands and space, Bryant is the better player.

Bryant has near Randy Moss like football speed to blow by defensive backs, and Terrell Owens like size. Actually he's bigger than Ownes.
 
Litos said:
coach, the throws you want for Bryant are very boom or bust, they don't move chains. He has to learn the whole route tree if he is to get 80 to 100 catches
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Where did I say that? Why can't Bryant catch a few bubble screens, or quick slants too? Bryant has fine hands. He's not Sammy Coates.

According to the data I read in 2015, the Steelers passed the ball 633 times, with Bryant being the target just 21% of the time. That number needs to go up. And if it does, so will the teams passing yardage, TD's, and big plays over 20 yards.
 
And we all know the steelers score about 7 more points with Bryant
 
I for one am EXCITED to have Bryant even in this discussion as opposed to last year's discussion. You I know the one about AB and MB's potential............................... Crickets.





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Coach said:
Where did I say that? Why can't Bryant catch a few bubble screens, or quick slants too? Bryant has fine hands. He's not Sammy Coates.

According to the data I read in 2015, the Steelers passed the ball 633 times, with Bryant being the target just 21% of the time. That number needs to go up. And if it does, so will the teams passing yardage, TD's, and big plays over 20 yards.
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don't you think it has something to do with his route running? I mean with all that speed and size why isn't he more open all the time? Maybe he needs to work in some aspects, let's remember he is very young and he can improve many aspects of his game

What i'm saying is that he isn't as polished as AB and that's why he isn't the top target, Yet.
 
Litos said:
don't you think it has something to do with his route running? I mean with all that speed and size why isn't he more open all the time? Maybe he needs to work in some aspects, let's remember he is very young and he can improve many aspects of his game

What i'm saying is that he isn't as polished as AB and that's why he isn't the top target, Yet.
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and when you increase his targets, you replace his catch % with AB's. I showed above where doubling his catches from his rookie year to the next did NOT double his TD's, etc. In fact, his TD ratio decreased significantly. Why would it go back up with more targets? We would hope it does, we just don't have any actual evidence that it happens that way.
 
Normal people would expect 2015, rather than 2014 to be more indicative of Bryant's performance since, you know, it is more recent, has twice the number of catches, etc.

Since Coach can't understand the stats ive already posted, how about this: TD/Target-Rec/Target-YPC Brown 5.18%/70%/13.5 and 6.5%/54.3%/15.3

Brow has about 1.5% less of turning the catch into a TD and 16% more likely to actually catch the ball and not even 2 ypc less.

Marcus Wheaton had 13 less targets than Bryant, and 1 less TD. rates as above are 6.3%/55.7%/17ypc. Either very close or better than Bryant. I cant think of anyone here that would want to take away touches from AB/Bell to give to Wheaton.

I like Bryant, I do. His results in 2014 were very nice. that was 2 full seasons ago and he has been out of the game for a year. I just think you need to temper your expectations. In order to get Bryant 30 more catches, you are going to have to throw the ball to him almost 55 more times (unless his catch % is better).
 
21STEELERS21 said:
Steelers have more depth at WR than in 2015. So AB and Bryants numbers should be kept down by Rogers, Shuster, etc...
getting their share.
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I agree. The point is to win games not get people numbers. Particularly AB who is already paid and Bryant who wont get another contract unless it highly favors tye team. You go where the coverage leads you. JuJu, Rogers and Ayers/whoever the 5th receiver is should get very favorable matchups.
 
Coach said:
Well, Bryant can do more with the ball in his hands than Bell or AB as a receiver. Just look a the yards per catch, Red Zone % to TD's, and such. Bell is more of a safety value type of receiver, good to move the chains, but far from a threat to take it a long distance.

We go to Brown a bit too much, teams picked up on it, doubled or rolled coverage his way, which hurt the offense at times.

Bryant sure can get 80 catches. IMO, if he's clean and healthy, he needs more targets and his presence alone on the field makes us much harder to defend.



Bryant is faster, and harder to bring down period. Brown might have some more moves to get past the first man. Granted. Bryant has his share of moves too, but with the ball in their hands and space, Bryant is the better player.

Bryant has near Randy Moss like football speed to blow by defensive backs, and Terrell Owens like size. Actually he's bigger than Ownes.
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You might want to go to the official website and watch the 13 minute highlight package of Browns touchdowns. Many if not most are more than 25 yards. Look Im excited to see what Bryant can do too. But some of these claims are a little skewed by small samples.
 
Exactly. And dont get me wrong. I firmly believe that Bryant, growth by the second year players and a sprinkle from Watt and Smith-Shuster/Conner might push this team to the finish line. I just dont really care where the production comes from. But Bryant over AB. C'mon.
 
SteelerSask said:
You might want to go to the official website and watch the 13 minute highlight package of Browns touchdowns. Many if not most are more than 25 yards. Look Im excited to see what Bryant can do too. But some of these claims are a little skewed by small samples.
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What is a small sample? Bryant has played 20+ NFL games. His catch to TD ration is better than Brown's, correct? I think it is by a good margin.
 
Coach said:
What is a small sample? Bryant has played 20+ NFL games. His catch to TD ration is better than Brown's, correct? I think it is by a good margin.
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Well here is the first part coach. A TD catch is another catch. I dont really give two ***** who ends up scoring the TD. That is fantasy football stats. If player A catches three balls on a drive, two of them on third down and player B catches a 12 yard TD on first down is B more important?
 
And yes 21 games is a very small sample. AB is at 100 and has only been under 1000 yards once since he became an impact player. Bryant has never reached 1000 because he has been unavailable. Maybe we need to see that portion before annointing him anything.
 
The only thing working against Bryant is his hands. The only person on the team with worse hand placement is Coates. I'm not too starry eyed to forget Bryant's drops, even when he was productive.
 
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