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Bryant's upside in 2017?

What is a small sample? Bryant has played 20+ NFL games. His catch to TD ration is better than Brown's, correct? I think it is by a good margin.

I've posted the numbers in this thread, they are there to see. 2014, yes, a wide margin on a very small sample size vs browns catches. 2015, more catches and TD % plummets to less than have on about twice as many catches. TD% over brown, far from a wide margin.
 
And yes 21 games is a very small sample. AB is at 100 and has only been under 1000 yards once since he became an impact player. Bryant has never reached 1000 because he has been unavailable. Maybe we need to see that portion before annointing him anything.


This is a Bryant upside thread, not a diva worship thread for Brown thread saying Bryant can't catch 80 balls this season.

Bigger, faster, stronger, and better with the ball in his hand Bryant is in most cases over ANY steeler receiver. So what shouldn't he get more targets?
 
Normal people would expect 2015, rather than 2014 to be more indicative of Bryant's performance since, you know, it is more recent, has twice the number of catches, etc.

Since Coach can't understand the stats ive already posted, how about this: TD/Target-Rec/Target-YPC Brown 5.18%/70%/13.5 and 6.5%/54.3%/15.3

Brow has about 1.5% less of turning the catch into a TD and 16% more likely to actually catch the ball and not even 2 ypc less.

Marcus Wheaton had 13 less targets than Bryant, and 1 less TD. rates as above are 6.3%/55.7%/17ypc. Either very close or better than Bryant. I cant think of anyone here that would want to take away touches from AB/Bell to give to Wheaton.

I like Bryant, I do. His results in 2014 were very nice. that was 2 full seasons ago and he has been out of the game for a year. I just think you need to temper your expectations. In order to get Bryant 30 more catches, you are going to have to throw the ball to him almost 55 more times (unless his catch % is better).

The way you use numbers makes me laugh? What is Brown's catch percentage on the routes the Steelers have Bryant typically running?

That would be fair apples to apple comparison? I do not see you going there. Many NFL receivers can have inflated numbers with tons of screens and quick slants.

I'm not anti-Brown by any means, though I do think he's becoming a bit of a diva, and worry about his game after the age of 32 and it's built on quickness. I also wonder why without Ben, Brown turns into Clark Kent but with him he's Superman.
 
The way you use numbers makes me laugh? What is Brown's catch percentage on the routes the Steelers have Bryant typically running?

That would be fair apples to apple comparison? I do not see you going there. Many NFL receivers can have inflated numbers with tons of screens and quick slants.

I'm not anti-Brown by any means, though I do think he's becoming a bit of a diva, and worry about his game after the age of 32 and it's built on quickness. I also wonder why without Ben, Brown turns into Clark Kent but with him he's Superman.

LOL, the way *I* use numbers makes you laugh? You, clearly, have no understanding of stats or how to analyze them. Since that is my actual job, I would suggest, I know what I am talking about.

Sure, you could have Bryant run those same routes. If you want to go analyze each pass have at it. We only have the numbers we have.

The problem is, you may slide down into such small sample sizes, your results won't be credible. In addition, if you have Bryant running those short routes, will he have the same TD% as he does on the longer smaller percentage passes? Doesn't seem to be a logical conclusion to reach, but you might find some back up for it. There may be evidence that his catch % increases on those short routes, too, but, unlikely, to match those of Brown and you are throwing him more passes, with probably, still lower catch % and, for whatever reason, the kinds of passes he is less likely to score on.

The bigger the sample size, the more credible your results. Hence, looking at 2014 and only less than 30 catches for Bryant doesn't mean as much as looking at Bryant in 2015 with 50 catches. Presumably, in something like football where skills are learned, you would also weight 2015 more than you would 2014. How do you explain Bryant getting twice the catches in 2014 than 2015, but his TD% plummeting from 30%+ to below 20%?
 
and, BTW, I did mention the lower % passes that tend to go to MB.....

you still cant get away from the TD% drop when MB doubled his catches. More credible data, more credible results. A reasonable fellow might conclude that, in 2014, teams were less focused on MB and he was able to take more to the house than would, normally, be expected. In 2015, with more focus on him, he was less able to take them to the house.
 
This is a Bryant upside thread, not a diva worship thread for Brown thread saying Bryant can't catch 80 balls this season.

Bigger, faster, stronger, and better with the ball in his hand Bryant is in most cases over ANY steeler receiver. So what shouldn't he get more targets?

So why shouldn't he get more targets?....how about the really only reason that matters. ...coverage. .. Hopefully Ben throws to where the coverage dictates. AB also runs more than one or two routes. Bryant will draw coverage over the top which will give AB and the other guys even more space.
 
The way you use numbers makes me laugh? What is Brown's catch percentage on the routes the Steelers have Bryant typically running?

That would be fair apples to apple comparison? I do not see you going there. Many NFL receivers can have inflated numbers with tons of screens and quick slants.

I'm not anti-Brown by any means, though I do think he's becoming a bit of a diva, and worry about his game after the age of 32 and it's built on quickness. I also wonder why without Ben, Brown turns into Clark Kent but with him he's Superman.

Do you worry more about a excellent route runner in their 30's, or a WR whose game is built more on speed?

And let us not forget that clock ticks for everyone after 30.

AB knows how to separate, I think he lasts longer than that WR that isn't much of a route runner but has speed to burn.
 
I think we are getting a little too excited about a guys potential to "max out" his numbers, that we are overlooking the reality of him to do the "minimum" of staying off the weed.

I think there is a lot of potential there, but he needs to earn some trust back.


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Do you worry more about a excellent route runner in their 30's, or a WR whose game is built more on speed?

And let us not forget that clock ticks for everyone after 30.

AB knows how to separate, I think he lasts longer than that WR that isn't much of a route runner but has speed to burn.

Once AB loses his elite level quickness, his star will fade. While he is well schooled on how to get open, being very quick with top hands are what his game is built upon.

Once the quickness goes, he'll be a small player who struggles to get open.
 
Once AB loses his elite level quickness, his star will fade. While he is well schooled on how to get open, being very quick with top hands are what his game is built upon.

Once the quickness goes, he'll be a small player who struggles to get open.

and the sun is white and the grass is green

No player wouldn't experience a drop off if they lost their speed or quickness. I am not getting why you think AB is different from the common.
 
Once AB loses his elite level quickness, his star will fade. While he is well schooled on how to get open, being very quick with top hands are what his game is built upon.

Once the quickness goes, he'll be a small player who struggles to get open.



Father Time catches ALL players sooner or later. It's the work ethic that stays him off. Andre Risen, Heinz Ward, even the great Jerry rice delt with is and lost. It's that time between sunset and sun down that is the battle. AB will survive about like those prior to him, eventually giving in.





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Bryant is physically larger and faster than AB

AB is a better route runner with better hands than Bryant.

Bryant has to show me he worked on his hands and route running last year, to hit those numbers.
 
My experience is that quickness and precision outlasts speed. Hines Ward was never fast. My guess is AB if not injured will be among the best for the next 3-4 years provided he has someone to throw him the ball.
 
Bryant is physically larger and faster than AB

AB is a better route runner with better hands than Bryant.

Bryant has to show me he worked on his hands and route running last year, to hit those numbers.

I can't imagine anyone arguing with the bolded part.

For Bryant, even if his catch % increases on shorter passes that are more like what AB gets is he, really, going to show hands as good as AB's? We'd ALL like to see that, but is it likely? I don't think so. Also, it is easier to break a catch for a TD when it was a long ball and all you have to do is beat the guy that is right on you (unless you already burned by him) whereas, if you are catching the shorter routes, you have to be more than one guy and, generally, better tacklers.

As far as 15 TD's, since 2011

2011-Gronk, Johnson, Nelson
2012-None
2013-Graham
2014-Bryant, Dez
2015/2016-None
 
Brown had 2 drops vs 136 catches in 15 and 2 drops vs 106 catches last year. Those are insane drop to catch ratios.
 
Wait i just read a few pages back that Bryant was no Coates when it came to catching the ball



Bryant ain't NO Coates as he took a full year off, NOT just a 1/2.




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yinz know the wonderful thing about Tigger?

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coach, please forgive ark's ignorance. numbers are fanciful to his simpleton mind.
 
I watched Bryant make one handed catches this morning from the juggs machine while laying down on his back. Hands look damn good to me
 
I watched Bryant make one handed catches this morning from the juggs machine while laying down on his back. Hands look damn good to me

Yep. ..Jug machine vs in game action with defenders draped on him. Should be exactly the same thing. ..right?
 
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