Bryant- really?

[Hollywood Bags]

First, let me say this is possibly the stupidest goddamn thread I've ever seen.

And that's saying quite a lot for this place!

 

[t-man]

First, let me say this is possibly the stupidest goddamn thread I've ever seen. I know some of us have an attention-whoring quota, as well as one for Dri Archer threads, but this one is even weak by our standards.

Bryant is unbelievably raw. More raw than Archer. Hell, probably more raw than Fred Gibson was. I have no expectations of his rookie season beyond about 15 catches. I want no part of him on returns, so I don't care about his muffs; I assume that was just a preseason experiment.

The takeaway, though, is that a fumble in preseason doesn't show much correlation to anything. So I guess there is no takeaway.

Did you watch the game? He fumbled a ******* pass on our last chance to get down the field and do something at the end of the game. For ***** sake, he was out there against kids who will be packing ******* bags two weeks from now, and he gets the ******* ball stripped.

I looked at his college stats, and he returned a good number of punts in college, so of course he's going to be able to do it in the nfl. We know that's the bare minimum for returning them in the nfl, I read it in another thread.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

Did you watch the game? He fumbled a ******* pass on our last chance to get down the field and do something at the end of the game. For ***** sake, he was out there against kids who will be packing ******* bags two weeks from now, and he gets the ******* ball stripped.

Just noticed that Ben threw a pick to backups in his rookie preseason. Bust!

I looked at his college stats, and he returned a good number of punts in college, so of course he's going to be able to do it in the nfl. We know that's the bare minimum for returning them in the nfl, I read it in another thread.

Which one? The one I saw listed several criteria for a PR, not just experience. You may be twisting words around again.

 

[t-man]

Just noticed that Ben threw a pick to backups in his rookie preseason. Bust!



Which one? The one I saw listed several criteria for a PR, not just experience. You may be twisting words around again.

I'm sorry I was quoting TMC from the 2000 plus post thread "Of course he's never done it in college, but yeah, he's going to come here and return punts."

If the roles were reversed, and Archer had done exactly what Bryant did, the Archer thread would be blowing the **** up with "told ya" all over the place, no one would care it's the first pre-season game, except those of us who said we'd wait and see. And, just so you know, I'm waiting and seeing on Bryant too, but I'm confused so far, since those "in the know" seemed sooooo confident he was worth the selection we threw away on this schmuck Archer.

Joe

 

[Litos]

he definitly needs to learn to take care of the ******* ball, that's all I'm gonna say about his first game

 

[Idioteque]

I'm sorry I was quoting TMC from the 2000 plus post thread "Of course he's never done it in college, but yeah, he's going to come here and return punts."

If the roles were reversed, and Archer had done exactly what Bryant did, the Archer thread would be blowing the **** up with "told ya" all over the place, no one would care it's the first pre-season game, except those of us who said we'd wait and see. And, just so you know, I'm waiting and seeing on Bryant too, but I'm confused so far, since those "in the know" seemed sooooo confident he was worth the selection we threw away on this schmuck Archer.

Joe

Why do you feel that way? Go read the thread. You'll see who is actually keeping it alive and posting in it tri-daily.

 

[t-man]

Why do you feel that way? Go read the thread. You'll see who is actually keeping it alive and posting in it tri-daily.

Riiiiggghhhttttttt. Cause if he fumbled three punts and dropped his first pass the other side of the debate would be leaving that thread totally alone, right? It would be ******* crickets over there, that what you're saying? Come on, oh please, please tell me that's what you're saying.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

Riiiiggghhhttttttt. Cause if he fumbled three punts and dropped his first pass the other side of the debate would be leaving that thread totally alone, right? It would be ******* crickets over there, that what you're saying? Come on, oh please, please tell me that's what you're saying.

Joe

Maybe; I don't know. I doubt it, considering that really the only folks who post Archer **** out of the blue are members of the CJC. And I do know you're in the strooooong minority (maybe the only one) in thinking a rookie's first preseason game means anything. Had Archer fumbled punts in that game - his first ever - I wouldn't have made some ridiculous snap judgment about his NFL hopes. (In fact, I kinda expected it given his collegiate history.)

I certainly wouldn't have started a thread about an unrelated Steeler player, then immediately twisted into an Archer thread, all for the sake of trolling.

 

[bermudasteel]

Bryant needs to stand up and show something, last night he was a big bust,

... The sky is falling...

First, let me say this is possibly the stupidest goddamn thread I've ever seen. I know some of us have an attention-whoring quota, as well as one for Dri Archer threads, but this one is even weak by our standards.

Bryant is unbelievably raw. More raw than Archer. Hell, probably more raw than Fred Gibson was. I have no expectations of his rookie season beyond about 15 catches. I want no part of him on returns, so I don't care about his muffs; I assume that was just a preseason experiment.

The takeaway, though, is that a fumble in preseason doesn't show much correlation to anything. So I guess there is no takeaway.

I almost agree with every thing you said here...

And that's saying quite a lot for this place!

I see the Waste Management team is slipping...

 

[antdrewjosh]

I almost agree with every thing you said here...

Now go take a shower I know you feel dirty

 

[Idioteque]

Now go take a shower I know you feel dirty

Oh come now little one. You secretly love agreeing with me. Partly due to your manlove, and partly due to my tendency to be right.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Oh come now little one. You secretly love agreeing with me. Partly due to your manlove, and partly due to my tendency to be right.

Lol.... No. Every solar eclipse your right.

 

[t-man]

Time will tell, I would, however, like to point out, if it's ******* ludicrous to judge someones nfl career based on ONE preseason game, how ******* stupid is to to judge it before he's ever even attended OTA's? hmmmmm?

Joe

 

[Supersteeler]

Time will tell, I would, however, like to point out, if it's ******* ludicrous to judge someones nfl career based on ONE preseason game, how ******* stupid is to to judge it before he's ever even attended OTA's? hmmmmm?

Joe

Puts it all in perspective doesn't it?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Obviously Moye should be #3 and Bryant #4. /all of Rochester, PA

 

[Idioteque]

Time will tell, I would, however, like to point out, if it's ******* ludicrous to judge someones nfl career based on ONE preseason game

And it is, which is why this thread is so mindboggling.

how ******* stupid is to to judge it before he's ever even attended OTA's? hmmmmm?

Joe

That would indeed be stupid, and it happened a lot on here. (Hell, I was told that Archer will be Darren Sproles but better.) But is it ludicrous to look at a guy's entire body of collegiate work, examine the red flags, then apply all of it to the thousands upon thousands of players throughout NFL history, and make an educated guess?

What am I saying. Of course it is, because Steelers.

 

[t-man]

And it is, which is why this thread is so mindboggling.



That would indeed be stupid, and it happened a lot on here. (Hell, I was told that Archer will be Darren Sproles but better.) But is it ludicrous to look at a guy's entire body of collegiate work, examine the red flags, then apply all of it to the thousands upon thousands of players throughout NFL history, and make an educated guess?

What am I saying. Of course it is, because Steelers.

He will not be able to return punts.

Your quote.

We will wish we had taken 10 guys before him.

Your quote.

My quotes "He has speed" "It's too early to say what he can and can't do" "He hasn't even taken a snap yet". Yes, the next sproles, of course.

Yet, now, I'm judging to harshly, being as we've only played one pre-season game. You judged before the guy ever set foot on a practice field.

Please, continue to tell me how hasty I am being.

Joe

 

[t-man]

And it is, which is why this thread is so mindboggling.



That would indeed be stupid, and it happened a lot on here. (Hell, I was told that Archer will be Darren Sproles but better.) But is it ludicrous to look at a guy's entire body of collegiate work, examine the red flags, then apply all of it to the thousands upon thousands of players throughout NFL history, and make an educated guess?

What am I saying. Of course it is, because Steelers.

And YES it is ludicrous, Tom Brady, round 6.

Those who refuse to learn from the mistakes of history, are doomed to repeat it.

Joe

 

[t-man]

James Harrison, Undrafted Free Agent. Willie Parker, Undrafted Free Agent. Nate Washington, Undtrafted Free Agent.

I could go on, but hey, you'd just point me to ALL the college film, and the ************* experts. Right?

Joe

 

[t-man]

Arian Foster, Undrafted Free Agent. Funny, apparently every single team, every scout, most of these "draft gurus" here on this site, and others, missed on ALL these picks. Yet every ******* year, we have our experts right here, telling us how we **** the bed, before ANY of these guys take a snap. And every year, year after year, many of them are totally ******* wrong. Doesn't have a damn bit of effect on the next year though. I wonder how many times of being ******* totally wrong, with a teeny tiny little "oops, I was wrong" till people go "ya know, people don't really know jack **** about the draft till these guys end up in the NFL" finally comes though. I mean, every ******* team has 7 rounds, 7 picks, and STILL people end up going undrafted, and go on to win things like Defensive Player of the year. I wonder, how, it happens that a guy who isn't good enough to get picked by 7 rounds, of all the teams in the NFL, ends up STILL being so good he gets DPOY? Could it be that ALL those people were wrong? Yep. And sometimes those people get it right too.

You know when we know who got it wrong, and who got it right? I'll give you a hint, it's WAY after we have these discussions here. You find me the guy who has been 100% right on every draft pick, BEFORE they play a down in the NFL, and THAT guy I'll listen to next year. The rest of you are just blowing ******* smoke.

Worthless, useless, non tested, smoke. Don't believe me, take a look at the stats of who of the "enlightened ones" predicted were going to be successful, and find me somone who was right 75% of the time or more. Remember, you get 50% just by guessing "yes" or "no". So half right doesn't mean much.

Joe

 

[Drink IRON City]

very valid points T-man, i do differ on the 50-50 yes / no. I don't think they even get 50-50. I'm no draft nick guru and have often wondered how, without time under the draftees belt, how they can be a bust or boom? Ben R. was thrown into the mix his rookie year, ended up ROPOY, NOT one single one predicted that. So greatness, along with less than, are hard to predict unless looking in hind sight.


Salute the nation

 

[Vincent]

I agree he is exactly as advertised. He has enormous potential. The sky is the limit on him. Let's hope he continues to improve.

This kid has as much talent as most teams' whole receiving corps. It may take a little time to develop. But his college tape tells the story. We stole him in the 4th. They have to either stash him on IR or keep him on the 53.

http://steelernation.com/showthread.php?306-Day-3-Draft-Day&p=8523&viewfull=1#post8523

Chris Henry, only bigger, faster, and better.

http://steelernation.com/showthread.php?306-Day-3-Draft-Day&p=8538&viewfull=1#post8538

 

[Idioteque]

He will not be able to return punts.

Your quote.

We will wish we had taken 10 guys before him.

Your quote.

Oh my God. I hope we never see a projection or educated guess from you, considering how much it offends you.

My quotes "He has speed" "It's too early to say what he can and can't do" "He hasn't even taken a snap yet". Yes, the next sproles, of course.

It didn't come from you. I don't think you've ever trodden that close to an opinion. Your posts typically fall into the category of, "I have no clue one way or the other. If he works hard and plays well then he could someday be good or even great, or maybe not. Maybe. He might be good, or he might not be, so why are you losers even discussing it?" That's all valid, as it's mostly a mystery to us and I am kind of a loser. But this IS an internet forum, so it makes me wonder why you're here, why you've been here for years, and why you get so worked up over football opinions. To the point that you'll be starting threads about torn ACLs on that Google Doc for years and years.

Yet, now, I'm judging to harshly, being as we've only played one pre-season game. You judged before the guy ever set foot on a practice field.

I made an informed prediction based on historical data. Judged him? ***** hurt much? Noting that a guy has several big flaws (unimportant stuff of course, like being smaller than any contributing back in the NFL, being a part-time player in school, being injured constantly, and fumbling more than Stevan Ridley) and then noting that 0.0% of players with all of those flaws succeed.. That's unfair? Over the line?

I don't get what motive you think I have. Can't be that I'm just a contrarian who secretly hates the Steelers; I've been gushing over Shazier and Tuitt and even optimistic about Bryant since the draft.

Please, continue to tell me how hasty I am being.

Well, read Post One of this thread. Then read your post to me about Bryant's fumble in the fourth.

 

[Idioteque]

LOL. Tom Brady and James Harrison. We have officially skeeeeraped the barrel.