Agreed, that's why Hargrave, Heyward, Tuitt should all be rushing the QB, it also provides size in case the opponent runs a draw or some other type of run
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Breakdown of coverages used vs Lions
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So we are tied for 4th in the league with 26 sacks while only blitzing 20.3 % of the time. The Jags are first in sacks and are only blitzing 20.2% of the time.
So the Detroit game was really the only game where rushing four or three didnt get home. And again we tried to blitz Stafford. He was picking it up and audibling forcing Shazier to either change the side the blitz wss coming from or call it off altogether
So the Detroit game was really the only game where rushing four or three didnt get home. And again we tried to blitz Stafford. He was picking it up and audibling forcing Shazier to either change the side the blitz wss coming from or call it off altogether
I'm not saying blitz all the time, or even a ton, but rushing 3 guys isn't going to get it done vs good QBs, that's why Stafford threw all over the place, he knew he had time and waited on the zones to open up. What we've done works fine vs Kizer, Bortles, keenum etc.
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He didnt know he had time he got time. Rush has to do better. And them having two weeks to prepare made a difference IMO. Stafford was ready for the blitzes we showed
When we didn't blitz he didn't get happy feet, just moved around in the pocket.
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Why would he everytime we showed blitz he audibled them into another play.. first Shazier tried to flip the blitz to the other side..then later just calling it off altogether.
I'm not disagreeing, but rushing only 3 guys vs a very good qb, especially one with a bad OLine is asking for trouble
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Keith Butler Explains Why He Rushes Three
BY ALEX KOZORA NOVEMBER 10, 2017 AT 12:08 PM
It’s arguably the biggest source of frustration for Pittsburgh Steelers’ fans. Anytime Keith Butler sends three, check Twitter out and you’ll see a sea of hate. It’s something he did a ton in the last game against the Detroit Lions, constantly rushing just three against Matthew Stafford, to mixed results. Speaking with reporters yesterday, Butler explained why and when he likes to rush the minimum.
“If our coverage is good enough to make him hold the ball, where he gets to his back step, what we call a three step, five step, seven step drop by the quarterback, when he hits his back foot and lets the ball go, there’s not much you can do,” Butler said via Steelers.com. “So sometimes we rush three in that situation. And tighten the windows down in terms of zone defense to make the quarterback a little more limited. If he’s used to throwing on time or at a certain time, then that will mess him up.”
To sum up, it’s a change up to get the quarterback flustered. And while it’s been frustrating in pockets, like Butler’s insistence of using it on nearly the entire Lions’ final drive, it’s been extremely effective in the red zone. The windows that Butler spoke about are inherently tight without the threat of anything vertical and dropping eight makes it that much tougher.
The results, in the red zone at least, have been excellent. The Steelers stopped the Lions on their final drive, forcing a 4th down incompletion (on a play where they rushed three), one in a long line of similar results. Back in 2015, Jarvis Jones picked off Matt Hasselbeck on the goal line on a three man rush and last year, Lawrence Timmons did the same to Eli Manning. Both huge plays.
Butler was then asked if this week’s QB, Jacoby Brissett, is an “on-time” passer.
“He’s well-versed on third down, I think. They’ve done a good job in terms of handling pressure on third down. He’s probably better on third down than any other down in terms of his completion rate, I think. We gotta win on every down.”
For the record, Butler’s comments about the completion rate are incorrect. Brissett has his worst percentage on third down, just 54.8%, compared to 65% on first down and 63% on second down. Either way, the Colts aren’t doing a horrible job on third down, they’re middle of the pack. So this isn’t a layup for the Steelers though if you’ve been following this team, you know they never are.
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Keith Butler Explains Why He Rushes Three
BY ALEX KOZORA NOVEMBER 10, 2017 AT 12:08 PM
It’s arguably the biggest source of frustration for Pittsburgh Steelers’ fans. Anytime Keith Butler sends three, check Twitter out and you’ll see a sea of hate. It’s something he did a ton in the last game against the Detroit Lions, constantly rushing just three against Matthew Stafford, to mixed results. Speaking with reporters yesterday, Butler explained why and when he likes to rush the minimum.
“If our coverage is good enough to make him hold the ball, where he gets to his back step, what we call a three step, five step, seven step drop by the quarterback, when he hits his back foot and lets the ball go, there’s not much you can do,” Butler said via Steelers.com. “So sometimes we rush three in that situation. And tighten the windows down in terms of zone defense to make the quarterback a little more limited. If he’s used to throwing on time or at a certain time, then that will mess him up.”
To sum up, it’s a change up to get the quarterback flustered. And while it’s been frustrating in pockets, like Butler’s insistence of using it on nearly the entire Lions’ final drive, it’s been extremely effective in the red zone. The windows that Butler spoke about are inherently tight without the threat of anything vertical and dropping eight makes it that much tougher.
The results, in the red zone at least, have been excellent. The Steelers stopped the Lions on their final drive, forcing a 4th down incompletion (on a play where they rushed three), one in a long line of similar results. Back in 2015, Jarvis Jones picked off Matt Hasselbeck on the goal line on a three man rush and last year, Lawrence Timmons did the same to Eli Manning. Both huge plays.
Butler was then asked if this week’s QB, Jacoby Brissett, is an “on-time” passer.
“He’s well-versed on third down, I think. They’ve done a good job in terms of handling pressure on third down. He’s probably better on third down than any other down in terms of his completion rate, I think. We gotta win on every down.”
For the record, Butler’s comments about the completion rate are incorrect. Brissett has his worst percentage on third down, just 54.8%, compared to 65% on first down and 63% on second down. Either way, the Colts aren’t doing a horrible job on third down, they’re middle of the pack. So this isn’t a layup for the Steelers though if you’ve been following this team, you know they never are.
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/11/keith-butler-explains-rushes-three/
The Steelers feel they have the corners to play a lot of man-to-man defense. And they’re also somewhat comfortable with strong safety Sean Davis doing so, as well. But they’re not sure their free safeties are capable of doing what they need them to do in those situations. It’s one reason why the team hasn’t played more man in the first half of the season. They don’t want to put too much man coverage on film for New England to study, just in case they’re correct in their assessment of their free safeties.
https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2017/11/10/friday-insider-15/
https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2017/11/10/friday-insider-15/
It's because Mike Mitchell sucks...
could you copy paste the area of the article they talked about our FS's? thanks in advance...
That was it.
Updating the Steelers usage, and success, of the dime defensive package
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by Jeff.Hartman and 58Steel Nov 11, 2017, 10:18am EST
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The Pittsburgh Steelers defense is markedly improved in 2017, especially in the secondary, and a large reason for that has been improved personnel, looking at you Mike Hilton and Joe Haden, and more experience in the number of sub packages Keith Butler deploys on a regular basis.
The one sub package which has been unbelievably successful has been their ‘dime’ package. Our local stat geek (58Steel) dove into the first half numbers of the sub package, its usage and the success of it vs. the opposition.
Time for the Stat Geek to take over...
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To refresh, the Steelers remove a DL and replace them with an extra CB in their nickel package. This is typically used when offenses go with 3 WR sets. In their dime package, the Steelers use their nickel base, but replace a LB (typically Vince Williams) with another DB (William Gay). The dime package is predominantly used in 3rd and medium-long situations. It has also been used as a "prevent" defense, such as obvious passing situations with little time left in a half, Steelers with a lead late in game, etc,.
Of the 495 snaps the Steelers defense has played (Pro Foootball Reference lists 477 plays. The discrepancy is due to penalties), 124 of them came in the dime package. That's 25% of the snaps. I have 123 plays (about 15/game); one play not counted due to a penalty.
The most number of plays for the dime package was 27 (on 69 plays, 39%) vs. the Ravens. That number is skewed by the Ravens last drive, after the Steelers scored to make it a 26-9 game. All 15 plays of that drive came with the Steelers in dime personnel.
The least # of plays for the dime package was 8 (on 54 plays, 14.8%) vs the Jaguars. Self explanatory on that one.
Here's the overall stats for the dime package:
Att-99, Cmp-51, Cmp%-51.5%, Yards-604, Yards/Att-6.1, INT-3 (3.0%), Sacks-9 (8.65%)
QB scrambles-5-40 yards, Called Runs-10-41 yards
Where the dime package really shined was in 3rd/4th down. Opponents have converted 21/86, or 24.4%.
If we subtract out the "prevent" usage of the dime package, only looking at 3rd/4th downs, we have:
Att-63, Cmp-30, Cmp%-47.6%, Yards-327-Yards/Att-5.19, INT-3 (4.76%), Sacks-9 (14.2%)
Looking at highs and lows, the "worst" performance from the dime came vs the Chiefs:
"Only" 8 of 18 passing, but for 185 yards (by far the most vs the dime this season), over 10 yards/att. The Steelers did have 1 sack (we should all remember that one. Thanks Deebo!)
The "best" performance from the dime is a close call between the Vikings:
6 of 14 passing for 54 yards (3.86 Yards/Att), 1 fumble, 1 sack, 2/14 on 3rd/4th down
and the Lions:
4 of 13 passing for 77 yards (4.53 Yards/Att), 1 sack, 2/11 on 3rd/4th down
Any way you look at it, the dime package has been an integral, and successful part of the Steelers defense in 2017.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...dime-defensive-package-keith-butler-nfl-stats
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The Pittsburgh Steelers defense is markedly improved in 2017, especially in the secondary, and a large reason for that has been improved personnel, looking at you Mike Hilton and Joe Haden, and more experience in the number of sub packages Keith Butler deploys on a regular basis.
The one sub package which has been unbelievably successful has been their ‘dime’ package. Our local stat geek (58Steel) dove into the first half numbers of the sub package, its usage and the success of it vs. the opposition.
Time for the Stat Geek to take over...
_____
To refresh, the Steelers remove a DL and replace them with an extra CB in their nickel package. This is typically used when offenses go with 3 WR sets. In their dime package, the Steelers use their nickel base, but replace a LB (typically Vince Williams) with another DB (William Gay). The dime package is predominantly used in 3rd and medium-long situations. It has also been used as a "prevent" defense, such as obvious passing situations with little time left in a half, Steelers with a lead late in game, etc,.
Of the 495 snaps the Steelers defense has played (Pro Foootball Reference lists 477 plays. The discrepancy is due to penalties), 124 of them came in the dime package. That's 25% of the snaps. I have 123 plays (about 15/game); one play not counted due to a penalty.
The most number of plays for the dime package was 27 (on 69 plays, 39%) vs. the Ravens. That number is skewed by the Ravens last drive, after the Steelers scored to make it a 26-9 game. All 15 plays of that drive came with the Steelers in dime personnel.
The least # of plays for the dime package was 8 (on 54 plays, 14.8%) vs the Jaguars. Self explanatory on that one.
Here's the overall stats for the dime package:
Att-99, Cmp-51, Cmp%-51.5%, Yards-604, Yards/Att-6.1, INT-3 (3.0%), Sacks-9 (8.65%)
QB scrambles-5-40 yards, Called Runs-10-41 yards
Where the dime package really shined was in 3rd/4th down. Opponents have converted 21/86, or 24.4%.
If we subtract out the "prevent" usage of the dime package, only looking at 3rd/4th downs, we have:
Att-63, Cmp-30, Cmp%-47.6%, Yards-327-Yards/Att-5.19, INT-3 (4.76%), Sacks-9 (14.2%)
Looking at highs and lows, the "worst" performance from the dime came vs the Chiefs:
"Only" 8 of 18 passing, but for 185 yards (by far the most vs the dime this season), over 10 yards/att. The Steelers did have 1 sack (we should all remember that one. Thanks Deebo!)
The "best" performance from the dime is a close call between the Vikings:
6 of 14 passing for 54 yards (3.86 Yards/Att), 1 fumble, 1 sack, 2/14 on 3rd/4th down
and the Lions:
4 of 13 passing for 77 yards (4.53 Yards/Att), 1 sack, 2/11 on 3rd/4th down
Any way you look at it, the dime package has been an integral, and successful part of the Steelers defense in 2017.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...dime-defensive-package-keith-butler-nfl-stats
Do you realize how 'false' this statement is??? The team has been built SPECIFICALLY to beat the *'s...
We shall see...
Haden played a ton of man in Cleveland and Burns did also at Miami, but will we use that defense or stick with what's working now?
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Like it was said earlier maybe they are savng it for the Patriots. The less on film the better whenever its concerning the Pats
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Breakdown of when the steelers are playing man to man coverage
Just hope our coaches are smart enough to figure out what they should do. Also hope the players are in tune with the plan and kick the **** out of the p*ts...
So we have succeeded using man to man, then why didn't we use more of it at Detroit instead of letting them move up and down the field and possess the ball?
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The video says they are using it certain down and distances
Yeah seems like alot off 3rd downs, but why not try it on other downs, especially when a team is gashing you over and over again.
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We are second in pass defense. Lol