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Breakdown of coverages used vs Lions

Cope said:
Yup Classic Dick Defense. I suppose you don't remember it. Keep the plays in front of you, tackle the catch, don't let up any big plays, and the O will make a mistake, or the D will make a play. And the D did. 20 freakin times in the redzone. It's not luck. I watched the game. It was execution, pressure, and coverage to go along with some pretty kick *** tackles in the gaps. I don't know what you thought you saw in the Detroit game, but I saw a D that didn't want to get scored on.

Also, Brady ain't lighting it up on good defenses this year. Good thing he gets to practice against his 32nd ranked D every week...
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Since oct 1st the most points the pats have given up has been 17. We still have not scored 30.. as for the defense of course no one wants to get scored on, but give an NFL team several chances from the 5yrd line or less and they are going to score a TD more often than not. It is an enigma that the lions came away with 0 TDs. Not taking anything away from the D they played hard and sound, but its more of a fluke that Detroit was unable to get a TD
 
Cope said:
Yup Classic Dick Defense. I suppose you don't remember it. Keep the plays in front of you, tackle the catch, don't let up any big plays, and the O will make a mistake, or the D will make a play. And the D did. 20 freakin times in the redzone. It's not luck. I watched the game. It was execution, pressure, and coverage to go along with some pretty kick *** tackles in the gaps. I don't know what you thought you saw in the Detroit game, but I saw a D that didn't want to get scored on.

Also, Brady ain't lighting it up on good defenses this year. Good thing he gets to practice against his 32nd ranked D every week...
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We were top 5 in yards allowed many times under Lebeau, that wasn't Lebeau defense, they had guys open every where. Prior to Detroit we were ranked 26th in red zone defense, and #1 vs the pass, because we haven't played a real QB, there's was nothing planned about our defense Sunday, he was throwing all over us, we didn't adjust, and the red zone actually helped us because Detroit wr's could run through zones in the compressed end zone.

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And since Oct 1 the most our D has let up is 16 points. But yes, we do have to score more points, that's how you win games, as Madden always said.

Detroit was playing to our weakness. RZ Defense. The D stepped up, have been scheming and working on red zone D. No 2 DL fronts, and we were pretty successful. It's almost like they learned from their mistakes. The Steelers D is also currently still top 5 (#4). Pats are #32. Scoring Steelers are #2 on D, Pats 18th.
 
The D is improved over last year, but we havent faced any scary passing threats, until this past week and we saw the same 2DL zone that we got torched with last January, we didn't adjust in the second half.
I guess it was just frustrating, was hoping to see us play good vs a legit passing threat and maybe do something different, maybe Tomlin is pulling the ultimate surprise on NE.

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Cope said:
And since Oct 1 the most our D has let up is 16 points. But yes, we do have to score more points, that's how you win games, as Madden always said.

Detroit was playing to our weakness. RZ Defense. The D stepped up, have been scheming and working on red zone D. No 2 DL fronts, and we were pretty successful. It's almost like they learned from their mistakes. The Steelers D is also currently still top 5 (#4). Pats are #32. Scoring Steelers are #2 on D, Pats 18th.
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While that maybe true the Pats first 4 games were terrible. They gave up 35+ the first 3 and 33 in the 4th. However they are much much improved since then. They are at least a solid D now. We are still solid just hope detroit did not expose something
 
I didn't see the 2DL set on goal line or red zone. That had been an issue, and it appears our D is doing that differently. I know last year's AFCC game was frustrating, but our team was overachieving, and our D was not as good, and they were very inexperienced. They are playing much better this year, and they are actually winning games for us. Case in point, the Detroit game. This year's D isn't last year's D.

And this year's Pats have a whole hell of a lot more warts than last year's superbowl winning Pats. Wow, the Pats have been playing well the last 4 games. Probably because they didn't face a winning team the last 4 games. So I'm supposed to fear a team that had trouble putting away the Jets, Bucs, and Chargers?? Sorry guys, I'm not buying it, and I'm not afraid of the Pats this year.
 
We've had trouble putting away teams too. And you can't wait until the redzone to get out of that 2DL zone crap. The redzone D was very impressive, but there is no way in hell we can play that way vs NE and stop their offense, it's not happening. I don't really know why it's so damn difficult for our coaches to get. We beat them in 2011 or 2012 with that "LeBeau defense", where we played man and jammed their wr's most of the game, our corners are better now than then. Baltimore did that, Giants did that, Atlanta did that for a half, Houston did that. None of those teams used a 2DL zone pass defense

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I agree, having Hargrave on the field is much more effective and it helped us seal the win against Detroit. I'm confident the D is making better adjustments as the season goes on, since it appears that they already have started.
 
**** the Pats. I hate that team, but I'm not scared of them. We played into their hands last year with our defense, and I think if Bell plays healthy that whole game, we have a shot at winning it. We had been relying on Bell though the po's, and it just wasn't in the cards that day. That being said, if we don't make Tommy Boy uncomfortable in the pocket, he'll tear us up again, so let's hope our guys can stick with theirs long enough for pressure to get there.

Joe
 
Green Bay went man against the Lions last night, and also got shredded. They couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs.

Stafford 26/33 361 2TDs 0INTs

You can't just play football one way. It's a game of playmakers making plays. You just have to put your playmakers in the best spots to make plays, otherwise the other team's will.
 
Cope said:
Green Bay went man against the Lions last night, and also got shredded. They couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs.

Stafford 26/33 361 2TDs 0INTs

You can't just play football one way. It's a game of playmakers making plays. You just have to put your playmakers in the best spots to make plays, otherwise the other team's will.
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I'd say we have more talent on defense than they do. They were playing man and zone, but their pass rush is horrible

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Coryea said:
I'd say we have more talent on defense than they do. They were playing man and zone, but their pass rush is horrible

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And no matter what we play if our pass rush isnt good we will give up yards too
 
Coryea said:
I couldn't agree more, which is why when we play good QBs we need to rush at least 4 the majority of the time

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**** I would sell out on the pass, and take a chance of the run beating us. Because the Pats under Brady will always be a passing team.And that running game isn't the same without Blount.

I would throw a Cowher at Hargrave, Tuitt, and Heyward and tell them just get to the QB.
 
slashsteel said:
**** I would sell out on the pass, and take a chance of the run beating us. Because the Pats under Brady will always be a passing team.And that running game isn't the same without Blount.

I would throw a Cowher at Hargrave, Tuitt, and Heyward and tell them just get to the QB.
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Those 3 should always be rushing the QB no matter who we play, all 3 are big strong and disruptive. When Baltimore was real good Ngata would stay on to push the pocket, same thing in NE with Wilfork, and in GB with Raji.


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Coryea said:
I'd say we have more talent on defense than they do. They were playing man and zone, but their pass rush is horrible

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I agree, we may have talent. But the scheme doesn't beat teams. Making plays wins games. GB also did a lot of Man under zone with a cover 2 or 3 behind it. The truth is, great QBs know where to put the ball in both man and zone situations. The trick is pressure and confusion. And we have that ability to pressure and confuse this year.
 
Cope said:
I agree, we may have talent. But the scheme doesn't beat teams. Making plays wins games. GB also did a lot of Man under zone with a cover 2 or 3 behind it. The truth is, great QBs know where to put the ball in both man and zone situations. The trick is pressure and confusion. And we have that ability to pressure and confuse this year.
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I agree with that, but Detroit had given up near the most sacks of any team, and we didn't get great pressure, in the second half we barely even tried to pressure him.

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Beating the Patriots will not be dependent on what scheme we play in the secondary. It will be the pass rush that wins or loses the game
 
Coryea said:
I agree, but part of some of our schemes is to rush just 3 guys

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Pass rush or not the coverage sucked last year.

It is a element of both .Those corners get those hands in there and bat some balls down or even better a INT or two. But with a QB with a quick release, it will take more than just a good pass rush to defeat them.

You need solid coverage and Ben to win the TOP and to score more TDs than field goals.

A team effort...
 
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Coryea said:
I agree with that, but Detroit had given up near the most sacks of any team, and we didn't get great pressure, in the second half we barely even tried to pressure him.

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If I were coaching Detroit, during the bye week, a point of emphasis would be protecting Stafford. They weren't good before the bye. Since then, we got him twice and GB got him once. I think they are doing a better job of double teams and chipping to keep Stafford on his feet. To me is was more of what they were doing than what we were doing. But you're right, it's easier to block 2 or 3 people than 4 or 5, and we didn't send a whole lot of blitzes his way.
 
Cope said:
If I were coaching Detroit, during the bye week, a point of emphasis would be protecting Stafford. They weren't good before the bye. Since then, we got him twice and GB got him once. I think they are doing a better job of double teams and chipping to keep Stafford on his feet. To me is was more of what they were doing than what we were doing. But you're right, it's easier to block 2 or 3 people than 4 or 5, and we didn't send a whole lot of blitzes his way.
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We attempted to blitz but Stafford was calling them out and changing plays. It was obvious he knew we were blitzing. Shazier started changing the blitz to the other sjde or just changing the play altogether.. it was a good chess match between the two
 
Starts up front. Stymie the NE run, rush the passer and put Brady on his *** whenever possible.
Brady releases quick and finds a receiver over the middle or uncovered deep; death by a thousand cuts. Maybe man coverage is best?
 
Coryea said:
I agree, but part of some of our schemes is to rush just 3 guys

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And if only two of those 3 or 4 are big guys it makes it even harder. Brady doesn't like being pressured from up front, he doesnt have the speed and willingness to roll out like Stafford.
 
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