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Hey, 1986 Doug Williams called, he wants his show back.
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I'm not sure why he made that statement other than the fact that he is black. It's his way of saying **** you and if you complain, I'll call racism.......... The fatality of the black people and racism is this "I am black but, you can't tell me I am black" ... Reality is I could care LESS what color you are until you use your color as racism. That's just me and I hope this makes sense.
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So, let me get this straight. POP is tired of hearing about Cam and the black QB thing. It's something he doesn't want to see, hear about or discuss and he's upset that TMZPN brought it up again. So, he comes on the board to discuss how he's tired of people discussing the black QB angle and everybody who's tired of the same thing joins him to discuss the myriad of ways that they're tired of the discussion.
Do I have that right? Because if I do have it right, my question is ... why are you discussing it?
Jeesh, I can't wait til Monday after the game so this board can get back to our regular off season routine of talking about the draft, past misses/busts, Tomberts successes and failures and generally cannibalizing each other about the players we like and don't like for the draft. Good times .. Good times. LOL
Do I have that right? Because if I do have it right, my question is ... why are you discussing it?
Jeesh, I can't wait til Monday after the game so this board can get back to our regular off season routine of talking about the draft, past misses/busts, Tomberts successes and failures and generally cannibalizing each other about the players we like and don't like for the draft. Good times .. Good times. LOL
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Wait....Cam Newton's black?? I thought he was just some super-tan brazilian.
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Haha woopsy, wrong thread.
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I dislike Cam because he is a narcissist and a phony. He dubbed himself superman and he would do that celebration when they were down 30 points. Then he would pout at the press conference. There was also his college career which included getting kicked out of Florida for cheating on exams and theft, then getting paid to go to Auburn.
He named his kid Chosen. That alone is reason to dislike this guy.
And can somebody tell me why it is somehow groundbreaking that Cam and other Panthers hand TD balls to kids in the stands? Every team does that but the media acts like Cam invented it.
Maybe Cam will invent dumping Gatorade on a coach.
He named his kid Chosen. That alone is reason to dislike this guy.
And can somebody tell me why it is somehow groundbreaking that Cam and other Panthers hand TD balls to kids in the stands? Every team does that but the media acts like Cam invented it.
Maybe Cam will invent dumping Gatorade on a coach.
No crime in not liking the guy. I mean, I can't say I "Like" Cam because I'm not generally a fan of the Panthers and don't know enough about him to make a decision one way or another. For me though, since there can only be one SB winning QB and the choice is between Cam and Manning ... well, I've had years (decades almost) to form a dislike of the knob slobbing that goes on about Peyton. So, I'd rather see Cam win.
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It sure seems like a crime to dislike Cam the last few weeks. I've heard and read it over and over. Talking heads not outright calling you racist, but they'll say things like, "you have to wonder why people don't like him dancing". Oh look, i'm pointing out possible racism, i must be enlightened.
Then these people will say something like "we need to have a real conversation about race" Then if somebody actually tries to have that conversation, Twitter demands that person be publicly executed for not following the PC template.
Well, I guess folks could not like Cam for a variety of reasons. It just seems to me that "dancing" after a TD is a silly one. Hell, when Gay danced and crawled to the sidelines where he was wrapped up by Porter like a mother embracing a toddler, not many Steelers fans complained. I guess the reaction to an excessive celebration pretty much depends on whether you are a fan of the team or not. I could care less myself whether Cam dances, Rodgers double checks, Watt swings, Gronk gyrates and spikes, etc. etc. etc. These guys aren't robots and a little emotion is warranted. But, if some folks don't like it they have that right. If the members of the team these guys are playing against don't like it, the solution is simple ... don't let them score.
As for conversations about race. They're pretty much fruitless. One side feels that they're being told to shut up and get over it and the other side feels like they're being held accountable for the sins of their great, great, great grandfathers and judged accordingly. Funny thing though is that the race issue in the U.S. is like an abscess tooth; it's gonna fester and fester until something is done to address it. What that is, I don't know.
I would love all the people in the US to simply stop talking about race.
Especially the agenda driven media.
You won't stop people from being ignorant unfortunately. You can minimize it by the media changing their agenda (won't happen they are tools)
and for race baiters to keep their racist **** to themselves (won't happen)
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the next house I purchase will be in the country, away from as many people as possible
why? every day I see something ignorant, the only way to avoid it? is to be somewhere it isn't
thankfully with the new program my hospital is taking on I will be home soon. so that will cut what I see on a daily basis down to a minimum....
Especially the agenda driven media.
You won't stop people from being ignorant unfortunately. You can minimize it by the media changing their agenda (won't happen they are tools)
and for race baiters to keep their racist **** to themselves (won't happen)
.....
the next house I purchase will be in the country, away from as many people as possible
why? every day I see something ignorant, the only way to avoid it? is to be somewhere it isn't
thankfully with the new program my hospital is taking on I will be home soon. so that will cut what I see on a daily basis down to a minimum....
This would certainly not even be an issue if there were more white linemen in the NFL.
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None of this racial BS is going to end until the NFL gets with the program and brings more diversity to field goal kickers.
NO KICKERS, NO PEACE!
#BLACKKICKERSMATTER
NO KICKERS, NO PEACE!
#BLACKKICKERSMATTER
Wow he must be really rich. How many zeros are in a brazilion ?
Maybe it would help if the NFL would pay a stipend to any black kicker that makes the team.
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Chosen Newton? I'd rather be named Fig if I was that kid.
What's his middle name? Boot-scootin'?
Chosen Boot-scootin' Newton!
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I believe the AFC only has 1 black starting QB (Tyrod Taylor-going from memory here). No talk about the Arian Football Conference- disappointed. I think the NFC has a whopping 3 (again going from memory Cam,Winston and Russel).
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It was outright disgusting how Stephen A Smith was ranting how Cam is more hated than Brady and it's because he's black. Most of the times Skip Bayless has to agree with him on all racial issues, but it was commendable that he was disagreeing and it was getting very heated.
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I had a discussion with a fellow at work who's primary argument is that Cam Newton is a better QB than Roethlisberger based on one statistical factor alone. Cam is still playing this season. All other statistical factors can be swept aside. Newton is playing, Roethlisberger is not. Thus, Newton is clearly a better QB.
With logic like that - I am utterly undermined. There can be no winning. I did find 1, literally 1 statistical category where Newton is better than Roethlisberger on a short search. He is a better rusher. So if you prefer a running back who occasionally throws the ball, as many seem to these days, well Cam is clearly your guy. On the other hand, in a year or two when somebody destroys Newton's knee while he's rushing for his customary 4.5 or 5.1 ypc and suddenly Cam is turned into a largely stationary (gulp) Quarterback... I expect we'll see somebody who is extraordinarily average.
Not because he's black, but because he's ... extraordinarily average - at stuff that QB's are supposed to do.
With logic like that - I am utterly undermined. There can be no winning. I did find 1, literally 1 statistical category where Newton is better than Roethlisberger on a short search. He is a better rusher. So if you prefer a running back who occasionally throws the ball, as many seem to these days, well Cam is clearly your guy. On the other hand, in a year or two when somebody destroys Newton's knee while he's rushing for his customary 4.5 or 5.1 ypc and suddenly Cam is turned into a largely stationary (gulp) Quarterback... I expect we'll see somebody who is extraordinarily average.
Not because he's black, but because he's ... extraordinarily average - at stuff that QB's are supposed to do.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, so Carson Palmer is better than Rogers and Ben since he made the title game?
Like I said, this is Cam's first season with a QB rating over 88, let me see him play very well for a few seasons before I say he's a top notch QB, hell Kaepernick had two seasons with a QB rating in the 90's and he's not even a starter now.
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Stephen A always starts off by sounding very reasonable at the beginning of every race rant....and within a minute, he is out of balance and making invalid assertions. I guess they think it's good for ratings, but I change the channel or fast forward, if watching on DVR. So, in my case, his race rants have the opposite reaction to increasing ratings. If Stephen wanted to make the point that black players tend to be more self-promoting and attention seeking and THAT's why one could say he is more hated because he is black, that would be one argument (but one could argue is still racist). But to say he is hated merely because he is black, that is not all that valid. Sure, there are racists in this country. Probably always will be. But the amount of time spent on discussing Cam as a black QB is so over-the-top and inappropriate.
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Yea, so when Trent Dilfer won the SB, that was proof he was a better QB then Favre and Manning and Warner. What utter bull ****.
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No one brought up Black but a Black QB. He made all this a deal, the deal was as a QB most teams want them to be the class of the team not a kid. Has nothing to do with Black but position on team. Wait till things don't go well for Newton you will see the true character of Superman. I live in NC and we all have seen his actions when all is not well, he runs and hides under his towel. As far as First Take we all have experienced the race card by all on this show.
I don't know, either. But I think it would help to get all the politicians and ruling class elites out of it. They need it as a wedge issue. Keep everyone at each others throats. Probably if just a bunch of average folks, black and white, got in a room and sat down with a few beers, it could be figured out to some degree, anyway.