Bell missing his burst

[steelhurt]

The only thing I see wrong with our pass D this year is:

1. Burns is young and can be burned at times by double moves or leaving his responsibility.

2. Mitchell would rather stare in the backfield, than look at the receivers running on his half of the field. He is grossly out of the play. I also think he's been playing banged up. He has a bunch of nagging injuries that sap speed: Hamstring, Achilles, Ankle. He just doesn't look good on the field right now.

As a unit, the pass D as vastly improved from last year, and is a strength.

Football is a game. The other team will make plays. How you respond to those plays, shows the mental toughness and discipline of your team. down 14-3, this team didn't fold. Scoring last in both halves gave them the 6 points they needed to win the game.

Against a terrible Colts team with a not so good backup QB and a depleted not so good defense.

Tomlin does not understand how to prepare and keep his team focused. When Ben is gone most will see him for what he is.

They have beat two pretty good teams out of 9 and could have easily dropped several of those not for the play of Ben.

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[bigtwnvin]

Bell has never been a blazer.
But in regards to the gist of the thread, his instinct for finding holes is noticeably different this season

Teams are spying Bell, closing up gaps and playing not to allow LB to burn them. After all, isn't that what defenders get paid to do.

 

[Coryea]

Comeon man...you think he looked sharp ? I think he looked like he is regressing in time to " Old Ben" who used to play sand lot ball 'cept this Ben can't run. His accuracy is 50/50 on any given day and IMO he still has issues with reading defenses consistently.

I'm not blaming Ben for the play calling though, that can make or break a QB performance also. This offense is getting so redundant and predictable that my wife recognizes the plays while watching the food channel in the other room. It is what it is though and hopefully we can continue to be successful by having the better athletes on the field.

The entire team struggled in the first half, the OLine manhandled, Bell averaged 3.1 ypc, AB dropped a deep ball right in his hands. Ben looked pretty sharp the 2 half, threw for 200 yards and two TDs, he's right around that magical 300 yard mark everyone complains about if AB catches that ball.

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[SteelChip]

Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
The only thing I see wrong with our pass D this year is:

1. Burns is young and can be burned at times by double moves or leaving his responsibility.

LOL...We used to have another corner on this team with that exact same problem. Huh Rod ?

No. 26 CB/KR/PR Rod Woodson (1987-1996)

 

[antdrewjosh]

Oh the irony..lol..people in here bitching about Tomlin and a 7-2 team. With a roster that he(and Colbert) built. Just goes to show what I always said for some NOTHING will ever be enough. NOTHING. Pass defense a couple of weeks ago was no 1 in the league not one of you bought up his supposed expertise then. Yall wait until a few plays are made against the D to *****..forgetting Artie Burns is still a second year player. He is going to get toasted. Happens to every corner not named Deion Sanders. Down 17-3 and we came back on the road. All the blame of course. He looks lost..blah blah. How about he looks calm. How about that calmness seeps to his team who kept their head in the game and made plays. How about his handling of Bryant who made two huge plays to help us win. "Cowher players" now its a new team and the excuse is its Ben. He'll never win without Ben..cant wait to hear what the next excuse is. 7-2 and we all know we havent played no where near our best.

 

[Stryker]

Against a terrible Colts team with a not so good backup QB and a depleted not so good defense.

Tomlin does not understand how to prepare and keep his team focused. When Ben is gone most will see him for what he is.

They have beat two pretty good teams out of 9 and could have easily dropped several of those not for the play of Ben.

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Yet players can still make plays. Mingo was a monster in his first start for the Colts. Ben made plays when he had to. That's what football is. Players making plays, and the team that makes the most plays wins. We don't play another team's record, we play another team's athletes.

A loss of focus is folding down 14-3. That's what losing teams do, and for a decade, Tomlin has shown us that he doesn't know how to coach a losing team.

A great QB being tied to a coach's record is nothing new. It's what NFL coaches are given credit for. Few Coaches have 2 HOF caliber QBs, and they are considered the greatest coaches. Shula, Walsh. So I agree, Great coaches are linked to their HOF QBs. However, you have no idea, and neither do I, who our next franchise QB will be. I think these next couple drafts could get very interesting.

Ben makes plays in big games, but our D is what is keeping our offensive warts from becoming losses. I really enjoy watching them all make plays this year, they are a fun, athletic, determined group to watch. Shazier especially, he is showing he is a Steeler great this season.

 

[black and gold apex]

Bell looked very slow and then watching Atlanta game he looked as if he was walking. Even the ONE play Conners ran was much quicker to sidelines and gaining yards.

 

[Coach]

Bell looked very slow and then watching Atlanta game he looked as if he was walking. Even the ONE play Conners ran was much quicker to sidelines and gaining yards.

Bell's yards per rush is now 3.8 yards per rush. To put in in context 26 NFL running back with 60 carries or more are doing better, and he's tied with 4 other players. So essentially anyone who can be considered a starter is doing better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a franchise tagged player.

By stark contrast rookie Conner has run the ball 19 times, at 5.2 yards per rush. While the sample for Conner isn't a large one, he hits the hole faster and seems to fall forward better. Who has not liked what they have seen out of him. Haley might say Conner has not learned how to pass block, my retort, are you telling me the OL or QB can't help him out a bit on plays where is should?

Bell looks to have lost some speed and quickness, he can't run away from players in the back seven, nor can he beat a linebacker or DB to the corner. Its clear he isn't as quick or fast as he used to be.

Some fans thought Bell's slow start was due him skipping the pre-season, but I'm starting to wonder if the Steelers are lucky Bell did not accept a long-term deal.

Running backs are easily replaced, and you don't need to draft them in round one to find a good one. Bell's value as a receiver has also declined in 2017.

We are approaching the point where Bell starts to wear down, so Tomlin might be wise to limit Bell's workload a bit and give Conner more work.

 

[steelhurt]

Yet players can still make plays. Mingo was a monster in his first start for the Colts. Ben made plays when he had to. That's what football is. Players making plays, and the team that makes the most plays wins. We don't play another team's record, we play another team's athletes.

A loss of focus is folding down 14-3. That's what losing teams do, and for a decade, Tomlin has shown us that he doesn't know how to coach a losing team.

A great QB being tied to a coach's record is nothing new. It's what NFL coaches are given credit for. Few Coaches have 2 HOF caliber QBs, and they are considered the greatest coaches. Shula, Walsh. So I agree, Great coaches are linked to their HOF QBs. However, you have no idea, and neither do I, who our next franchise QB will be. I think these next couple drafts could get very interesting.

Ben makes plays in big games, but our D is what is keeping our offensive warts from becoming losses. I really enjoy watching them all make plays this year, they are a fun, athletic, determined group to watch. Shazier especially, he is showing he is a Steeler great this season.

I get what you’re saying with franchise QBs and in no way is this a Cowher vs Tomlin rant but look who Cowher won with. O’Donell,Tomczak, Kordell and Maddox. Does anyone actually think Tomlin could have won consistently with these guys?


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[antdrewjosh]

I get what you’re saying with franchise QBs and in no way is this a Cowher vs Tomlin rant but look who Cowher won with. O’Donell,Tomczak, Kordell and Maddox. Does anyone actually think Tomlin could have won consistently with these guys?


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His choice

 

[Coach]

I get what you’re saying with franchise QBs and in no way is this a Cowher vs Tomlin rant but look who Cowher won with. O’Donell,Tomczak, Kordell and Maddox. Does anyone actually think Tomlin could have won consistently with these guys?


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No. He could not. Cowher's record with Ben in the playoffs is MUCH better than Tomlin's, and he lost less to bad teams.

 

[Coryea]

Everyone says this offense is run first, goes as Bell goes etc, and yet a post about the focal point of the offense gets turned into a Ben post. SMH

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[Steeltime]

His choice

We have gone over this several times. Cowher's first draft - 1992 - was superb. He did not pass on a franchise QB during that draft. He then took his teams to the playoffs the first 6 seasons, and his draft spot was in the mid to late-20s, where franchise QB's were not available.

The ONLY legit QB he passed on was Drew Brees, who made it to the 2nd round. In other words, every team in the NFL passed on Brees once. Hard to criticize Cowher's draft decisions relative to the QB slot, given his draft position the the quality of guys he passed on.

 

[antdrewjosh]

We have gone over this several times. Cowher's first draft - 1992 - was superb. He did not pass on a franchise QB during that draft. He then took his teams to the playoffs the first 6 seasons, and his draft spot was in the mid to late-20s, where franchise QB's were not available.

The ONLY legit QB he passed on was Drew Brees, who made it to the 2nd round. In other words, every team in the NFL passed on Brees once. Hard to criticize Cowher's draft decisions relative to the QB slot, given his draft position the the quality of guys he passed on.

We have again his choice.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Bell's yards per rush is now 3.8 yards per rush. To put in in context 26 NFL running back with 60 carries or more are doing better, and he's tied with 4 other players. So essentially anyone who can be considered a starter is doing better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a franchise tagged player.

By stark contrast rookie Conner has run the ball 19 times, at 5.2 yards per rush. While the sample for Conner isn't a large one, he hits the hole faster and seems to fall forward better. Who has not liked what they have seen out of him. Haley might say Conner has not learned how to pass block, my retort, are you telling me the OL or QB can't help him out a bit on plays where is should?

Bell looks to have lost some speed and quickness, he can't run away from players in the back seven, nor can he beat a linebacker or DB to the corner. Its clear he isn't as quick or fast as he used to be.

Some fans thought Bell's slow start was due him skipping the pre-season, but I'm starting to wonder if the Steelers are lucky Bell did not accept a long-term deal.

Running backs are easily replaced, and you don't need to draft them in round one to find a good one. Bell's value as a receiver has also declined in 2017.

We are approaching the point where Bell starts to wear down, so Tomlin might be wise to limit Bell's workload a bit and give Conner more work.

Ignorance at its best. You are implying “by stark contrast” that a rookie (who I expect will be productive as he matures) YPR with 19 touches is in comparison to a player with 260 touches (40 receptions).

As for the QB or OL “helping” him out on plays he should.....QB and OL points out the protection calls with every snap. They have enough to do after the snap than to worry if the RB has the right protection covered.

Bell has been productive the last several games. A difference maker some would say. “Everyone else considered a starter is better”....and you wonder why no one takes you seriously....SMH.


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[Coach]

Bell's yards per rush is now 3.8 yards per rush. To put in in context 26 NFL running back with 60 carries or more are doing better, and he's tied with 4 other players. So essentially anyone who can be considered a starter is doing better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a franchise tagged player.

By stark contrast rookie Conner has run the ball 19 times, at 5.2 yards per rush. While the sample for Conner isn't a large one, he hits the hole faster and seems to fall forward better. Who has not liked what they have seen out of him. Haley might say Conner has not learned how to pass block, my retort, are you telling me the OL or QB can't help him out a bit on plays where is should?

Bell looks to have lost some speed and quickness, he can't run away from players in the back seven, nor can he beat a linebacker or DB to the corner. Its clear he isn't as quick or fast as he used to be.

Some fans thought Bell's slow start was due him skipping the pre-season, but I'm starting to wonder if the Steelers are lucky Bell did not accept a long-term deal.

Running backs are easily replaced, and you don't need to draft them in round one to find a good one. Bell's value as a receiver has also declined in 2017.

We are approaching the point where Bell starts to wear down, so Tomlin might be wise to limit Bell's workload a bit and give Conner more work.

Ignorance at its best. You are implying “by stark contrast” that a rookie (who I expect will be productive as he matures) YPR with 19 touches is in comparison to a player with 260 touches (40 receptions).

As for the QB or OL “helping” him out on plays he should.....QB and OL points out the protection calls with every snap. They have enough to do after the snap than to worry if the RB has the right protection covered.

Bell has been productive the last several games. A difference maker some would say. “Everyone else considered a starter is better”....and you wonder why no one takes you seriously....SMH.


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I underlined the important stuff your brain chose to skip. Yes Ike, pretty much every starting running back is averaging more yards per carry. You can tell me why. However I did not say Bell is the 30th best back in the league. That is you trying to spin something I did not say. I'll stand that he has not been worth franchise tag money for sure.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Bell's yards per rush is now 3.8 yards per rush. To put in in context 26 NFL running back with 60 carries or more are doing better, and he's tied with 4 other players. So essentially anyone who can be considered a starter is doing better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a franchise tagged player.

By stark contrast rookie Conner has run the ball 19 times, at 5.2 yards per rush. While the sample for Conner isn't a large one, he hits the hole faster and seems to fall forward better. Who has not liked what they have seen out of him. Haley might say Conner has not learned how to pass block, my retort, are you telling me the OL or QB can't help him out a bit on plays where is should?

Bell looks to have lost some speed and quickness, he can't run away from players in the back seven, nor can he beat a linebacker or DB to the corner. Its clear he isn't as quick or fast as he used to be.

Some fans thought Bell's slow start was due him skipping the pre-season, but I'm starting to wonder if the Steelers are lucky Bell did not accept a long-term deal.

Running backs are easily replaced, and you don't need to draft them in round one to find a good one. Bell's value as a receiver has also declined in 2017.

We are approaching the point where Bell starts to wear down, so Tomlin might be wise to limit Bell's workload a bit and give Conner more work.



I underlined the important stuff your brain chose to skip. Yes Ike, pretty much every starting running back is averaging more yards per carry. You can tell me why. However I did not say Bell is the 30th best back in the league. That is you trying to spin something I did not say. I'll stand that he has not been worth franchise tag money for sure.

Oh I didn’t skip anything genius. My brain past your juvenile reading comprehension concepts a long time ago. If Connor is such a small sample size why use it in your post’s rationale? Why not use the other 4 RBs and “pretty much every starting running back” that are tied with Bell or “are averaging more yards” to formulate a lucid and cohesive statement. I don’t have to spin anything. Your statements are all your own. Fractured and incoherent all by itself. Like your comparison you attempt to make between Juju and AB......ludicrous.




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[south dakota STEEL]

Most of those penalties were complete bullshit. Open your eyes dude. We have been playing nearly penalty free most of the season.

Ben kicked *** in the 2nd half as well...lighten up, Francis.

agree with ben doing well in 2nd half. But, penalties and slow, irrational play have plagued us this year.

Penalties may be bogus, but they are still being called. Maybe, if they aren't correct, our coach or owner should say something to the league.

 

[Skott]

Ignorance at its best. You are implying “by stark contrast” that a rookie (who I expect will be productive as he matures) YPR with 19 touches is in comparison to a player with 260 touches (40 receptions).

As for the QB or OL “helping” him out on plays he should.....QB and OL points out the protection calls with every snap. They have enough to do after the snap than to worry if the RB has the right protection covered.

Bell has been productive the last several games. A difference maker some would say. “Everyone else considered a starter is better”....and you wonder why no one takes you seriously....SMH.


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Yet Bell didn't even know what he was doing and they had to call a time out on the 2 point conversion.

Bell is getting his yards because they are feeding him 30 times a game. It wouldn't hurt to give Conner more then 1 carry a game.

 

[Steeltime]

We have again his choice.

So whom should he have drafted in 1992? 1993? 1994? 1995? 1996? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000?

Who? The statement, "his choice," means he passed on ****** QB's and instead drafted talented players that made the team better.

You support drafting for "need" and passing a better player in the process?

 

[antdrewjosh]

So whom should he have drafted in 1992? 1993? 1994? 1995? 1996? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000?

Who? The statement, "his choice," means he passed on ****** QB's and instead drafted talented players that made the team better.

You support drafting for "need" and passing a better player in the process?

Yes his choice meaning you draft someone. Meaning you at least try to rectify the position. If it doesnt work out it just doesnt. But at least you acknowledge and attempt. Cowher didnt belive he needed a Big time QB for his offense. He was good with what he had. Run the ball and play smothering defense. That's why no real effort was made to acquire one. So again his choice

 

[Coryea]

The QB position didn't seem to be an issue until the 1999 season. Neil looked like a perfect fit for that era and our team, until the Super Bowl, and they already had Kordell who in his limited looks looked pretty good, and was the talk of the NFL during the 1997 season.

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[Spike]

Bell needs to quit the **** and just find the hole and go! His dancing is not helping the Oline at all.

The more dancing he does the bigger the chance of him getting hit or injured.

ha ha

In case you never watched any of his games, that's how he runs!

maybe teams have caught up with his "style" and are clogging the gaps in the line a little longer


or maybe Tomlin has already run the wheels off him

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yet Bell didn't even know what he was doing and they had to call a time out on the 2 point conversion.

Bell is getting his yards because they are feeding him 30 times a game. It wouldn't hurt to give Conner more then 1 carry a game.

Conner should be carrying the rock 10 times per game and bell should be high 20s. That still leaves room for those stupid WR end a rounds.



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[Coach]

Oh I didn’t skip anything genius. My brain past your juvenile reading comprehension concepts a long time ago. If Connor is such a small sample size why use it in your post’s rationale? Why not use the other 4 RBs and “pretty much every starting running back” that are tied with Bell or “are averaging more yards” to formulate a lucid and cohesive statement. I don’t have to spin anything. Your statements are all your own. Fractured and incoherent all by itself. Like your comparison you attempt to make between Juju and AB......ludicrous.




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More like your the Dunning-Kruger of this board. You missed the point again! I was talking yards per carry I take it you know what that means. If you want to talk yards per catch, Bell isn't going to do well either.

FYI I did include a large sample. To put in in context 26 NFL running back with 60 carries or more have a higher yards per carry, and Bell's tied with 4 other players.

Now, is the entire NFL a big enough sample for you. DUH. Others here are noticing he's been Le'Veon slow lately and if you follow him, he tends to wear down later in the season.

As far as Ju-Ju goes, he's got a long way to rate with Brown, but he has been the better player in the last two games.