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Anyone going to hold Ben accountable?

Now 2-6 after injury. Not a Landry honk, but if he got the reps, he should have started and, it did appear as if the game plan was geared towards LJ. I have not seen them look so ****** on O in a while. Pity to waste a good effort by the D. I'm pissed, a little drunk still and questioning what this season really has left. Even if they do make he playoffs... they're on the road and we've seen that show before.
 
The Ravens have blown chunks for 2 years now and we still cannot beat them............. with or without Ben.

They look at the schedule and see Pittsburgh and think guaranteed win. It does not matter if they are on a five game ******* losing streak, Harbaugh has this teams number. The Steelers are the elixir that cures Ravens woes.

I can't believe we lost to that ****** *** team...............AGAIN
 
Wait? I thought Ben has been covering all of Tomlin's short comings since Tomlin became our HC?

I mean to the point they can rebound and go to to SB, should have elaborated.

Anyways done with this debate, as we all know where we stand by now.


A few of yinz want Tomlin in, and are happy with mediocrity and no SB berths moving forward. And are misguided in thinking coaches impact the game minimally.

I want him out, so they have a chance at at least one before Ben retires.As I know coaches impact the game significantly.

Personally for the year each game I will expect next to nothing.

Because I have no confidence in him to right the ship...........
 
This is all on Ben. The D played with heart (aside from Mitchell), and only let up 16pts. We should have won this game. Davis cost us badly on the punt.
 
Ben is the best qb we have by far and away. Landry in no way shape or form is winning that game yesterday. Handing the ball off even more into 8 man fronts would have been absolutely fruitless. The gameplan sucked *** yesterday. The team preparation after a few weeks off sucked even more. This losing to bad teams is a ****** trend that's been going on for far too long. That's on the coaching staff. Get it in gear. This conversation is old and tired.
 
Full disclosure- I was travelling for work and didnt see the game.

But 51% completion?? 67 QB rating?? 14 QBR??

There are VERY FEW teams that can win with that type of production from their QB.

But I know... Fire Tomlin... Fire Haley... Fire the Rooneys...


Ben was hurting and the coaches failed to come up with a game plan that worked. He did not play well. Haley calling three running plays on 3rd and 4 yards or more stunk. Tomlin should have pulled Ben. But he didn't
 
This team has not played well since they got the **** kicked out of them by Philthydelphia.
Yesterday's play calling was horrible. Tomlin and his crew had two weeks to prepare for this game. Landry Jones should have started and Ben if needed could have taken reps in garbage time.
The result is the same a loss in the division!
Tomlin rolled the dice in getting his QB injured, the Rats have a history of putting Ben on his back. Looked to me as if #7 was playing uninspired football, perhaps he felt he wasn't ready and his coach rushed him on to the field too soon?
Next up Dallas. There will have to be a big change to this Steeler effort to get a W.
I'm afraid the Browns might get their first win against this dumpster fire!
 
Ben certainly didn't play like Ben but was he the main reason we lost? Hell no. Poor tackling and penalties killed us for one. 2nd, poor coaching and play calling put Ben in bad situations. As much as we hate to admit, the Rats have a pretty good D. Haley did not have a game plan to try and get Ben in any kind of rhythm with the usual short, quick passes and screens and even some no huddle. We didn't see that until late in the game. Any decent coach with a QB coming back from an injury or a back up QB starting tries to get him comfortable and in a rhythm early. Why did we wait until garbage time to finally try this stuff is beyond me. We ran on many third downs in the first half. We had third and long almost every time because we were trying to run against a good run stopping team. We had numerous penalties. It just all added up for another team and coaching loss.

Next week will be more of the same. I won't pick against the Steelers as I never do. But, I would be shocked if we even make the game close with the Cowboys.
 
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Ben certainly didn't play like Ben but was he the main reason we lost? Hell no. Poor tackling and penalties killed us for one. 2nd, poor coaching and play calling put Ben in bad situations. As much as we hate to admit, the Rats have a pretty good D. Haley did not have a game plan to try and get Ben in any kind of rhythm with the usual short, quick passes and screens and even some no huddle. We didn't see that until late in the game. Any decent coach with a QB coming back from an injury or a back up QB starting tries to get him comfortable and in a rhythm early. Why did we wait until garbage time to finally try this stuff is beyond me. We ran on many third downs in the first half. We had third and long almost every time because we were trying to run against a good run stopping team. We had numerous penalties. It just all added up for another team and coaching loss.

Next week will be more of the same. I won't pick against the Steelers as I never do. But, I would be shocked if we even make the game close with the Cowboys.

This.

Ben threw for 210 yards in the 4th quarter. Maybe they should have stopped trying to run the ball up the middle on every damn play a little bit before that.

I got the feeling that the Ravens were just selling out to stop Brown and Bell. They knew no one else could hurt them. We might just see a whole lot more of that from now on.
 
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/11/ben-roethlisbergers-no-good-bad-day/

Click the links for the gifs and play breakdowns

We’ve seen some clunkers from Ben Roethlisberger. But yesterday was as bad as it’s been with #7. The final box score might look decent if you’re in a giving mood but as our Matthew Marczi wrote yesterday, anyone who even had the game on as background noise knows how bad he was.

This post could be littered with clips of the failures of Roethlisberger and by extension, the Steelers’ offense, but we’ll focus on just a couple of plays. For your sake and mine.

This first one comes on third and ten at the Steelers own ten yardline late in the second quarter. I realize that too often, people point out quarterbacks missing open receivers and wonder why the ball didn’t go there. I generally stay away from that low-hanging fruit because it’s a lot harder to understand the nuance behind it; the thought process, the read, the progression. All quarterbacks miss open guys and hindsight is the best quarterback to ever play.

But what we get here is a half field read by Roethlisberger, so focused on a clearly-covered Antonio Brown, without any apparent desire to look elsewhere.

The Baltimore Ravens are in a quarters defense meaning there is no way the Steelers are completing anything deep. It’s a zone coverage but it’s effectively a triple team; the safety over the top, the cornerback carrying him, and the SAM linebacker widening and getting depth (3rd and 10, play sticks, force underneath throw).




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But Roethlisberger sticks to him, climbing the pocket, not getting off his read, and winds up harmlessly checking things down to Le’Veon Bell at the last moment. Bell makes a good effort but falls short of the marker, ultimately a gain of six.

Had Ben looked across the field to his left, he would’ve seen a wide open Eli Rogers, practically begging for the football. It’s a conversion and at the worst, helps flip the field and give the Ravens poorer field position if they got the ball back.

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Instead, it’s a punt from their own 16. Jordan Berry bails them out with a 56 yard thump.



Here, it’s mid-third quarter. A dreadful game so far but still, only a ten point deficit. One drive and the feel has changed to we’re in this thing. But it ends with a Roethlisberger interception.

Roethlisberger does get off his first read here. I think Todd Haley was trying to influence the Ravens by showing/faking the smoke screen with Sammie Coates at the bottom and Antonio Brown running a slot fade.

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But he’s late in his second read, looking for Jesse James on a hank route over the middle. He double-clutches, probably debating if he should fire the ball with the linebacker behind, and it allows the Ravens’ defensive linemen to read his body language and know the ball is about to come out. You’ll see it best in the GIF at the end.

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Brandon Williams tips it and Timmy Jernigan grabs it as the ball comes down. The Ravens wind up getting a field goal, going up 13-0, and keep the pressure on.



Our final look is the failed third down conversion before the Jordan Berry block, effectively putting this game out of reach. It’s 3rd and 8 and Pittsburgh runs a split-dig concept – one vertical route and one in-breaking route – one that is pretty similar to something this team ran against the New England Patriots. Let’s take a look at that one.



Solid throw by Landry Jones, on target, and a healthy gain of 25.

With Ben? It’s a total miss. Similar concept, similar coverage – perhaps Sammie Coates could’ve sold vertically better, hard to say – but the pass is several feet behind Brown. No chance for him to even make a play. Incomplete, and the Steelers punt destroy my soul.



These are all relatively routine plays that most quarterbacks can make. Roethlisberger looked relatively healthy; he moved without a limp, extended plays, and nearly flipped Jeraud Powers. But he was certainly rusty, a product of getting limited reps in practice, and fell utterly flat in the loss.
 
But he was certainly rusty, a product of getting limited reps in practice

yep, limited reps, no short leash = coaching fail
 
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...hinks-no-huddle-catalyst-4th-quarter-success/

One of the odd departure trends that I have been watching over the course of the regular season, in contrast to how the Pittsburgh Steelers offense executed during the preseason, has been the fact that the offense has not used the no-huddle offense as much—sometimes nearly as much—as would have been reasonably projected.

While there have certainly been spurts of usage, particularly late in halves when time is obviously of the essence, in general, the team has not used it with great frequency in comparison to what might have been expected of them, even when considering mitigating factors such as playing with big leads and injuries.

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger happened to make a comment after the game when asked about how he felt in the game, according to Missi Matthews, that he didn’t feel rusty. He also said that he felt that the offense “finally opened up”, per Matthews’ Tweet, due to the offense running the no-huddle.

By my count, the Steelers used the no huddle 26 times on their final three drives in the fourth quarter, which, without actually working out the percentage, probably comes out to about 85 to 90 percent or so of the plays that they ran on those three drives.

That is obviously a very large percentage of the snaps to be run in the no huddle. But it should also be considered that the fourth quarter accounted for a fairly large percentage of their total offensive plays run as well. And the fact is that the Steelers were running out of the no-huddle before that as well.




I count 12 plays in which the Steelers ran out of the no-huddle in the first half, and it has to be considered that a lot of those drives resulted in three-and-outs. There were also a lot of penalties and incomplete passes that inhibit working out of the no-huddle. So considering the context of those drives, they seemed to be running out of the no-huddle more than I would have actually expected, and more than Roethlisberger’s comments might suggest.

The real difference—aside from the fact that the Ravens were suddenly playing with a 21-point lead with less than 15 minutes left to hold off an opponent with a wounded quarterback—was the fact that the Steelers abandoned the running game entirely, which was the right call, obviously, given the circumstances.

Roethlisberger came out firing from out of the shotgun nearly every play in the fourth quarter, but that is simply what you do when you are trailing by 21 or 14 points on the road and are running out of time to draw even with your opponent.

Perhaps by ‘no-huddle’ he subtly meant to say that he was running his own plays, as Roethlisberger and offensive coordinator Todd Haley often collaborate on the play selection out of the no-huddle under normal circumstances, but frankly, I think the quarterback’s comments are kind of off on this matter.
 
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I don't love tomlin..


But did anyone here expect anything else. ? We know the trend.. Ben out,, first game back he sucks. Seriously. I expected it.. I hoped for better.. but this is honestly what I thought would happen.

I don't think giving up 21 points should be acceptable either.

But the extent of the ineptitude on offense was ridiculous. I only got to watch the first half by the way.
 
I'm wondering if Tomlin was playing percentages with Ben.

Think about it this way -- Ben was hobbled but physically able to go this week. Tomlin knows he has a bad performance in his first game back from time off. What if he conceded the fact that the game in Baltimore had a high percentage of a loss, whether he started Ben or Landry?

Wouldn't you play Ben over Landry with the goal that this is Ben's "off" game -- so that he's more prepared for playing the Cowboys at home next week?

Had he started Landry, Ben's "off" game would then have been the upcoming Cowboys game -- so you in essence have another higher loss percentage that game as well.

I think getting him up to speed early gives us better chance of winning next week -- and the Steelers need to start stacking up W's as soon as possible.

Then again -- I don't think Tomlin thinks that far ahead.
 
Full disclosure- I was travelling for work and didnt see the game.

But 51% completion?? 67 QB rating?? 14 QBR??

There are VERY FEW teams that can win with that type of production from their QB.

But I know... Fire Tomlin... Fire Haley... Fire the Rooneys...

Absolutely not! Ben was never convicted of anything.
 
Almost everyone on this forum wanted Ben to play, and believed that Ben at 75% is better than Landry at 100%. Thing is Ben played like 25%. And he continually shows that he is *** when returning from an injury, for whatever reason. It's just hilarious watching all of you breaking your necks to find excuses.

A sore knee didn't prevent ben from overlooking wide open receivers, or staring down AB while tripled covered, or throwing clunkers.

And please stop with the pull ben narrative. Putting a backup QB in cold would have been an awful idea.
 
Almost everyone on this forum wanted Ben to play, and believed that Ben at 75% is better than Landry at 100%. Thing is Ben played like 25%. And he continually shows that he is *** when returning from an injury, for whatever reason. It's just hilarious watching all of you breaking your necks to find excuses.

A sore knee didn't prevent ben from overlooking wide open receivers, or staring down AB while tripled covered, or throwing clunkers.

And please stop with the pull ben narrative. Putting a backup QB in cold would have been an awful idea.

Sitting on your hands and trying nothing much better idea, in that way you can watch the trend continue.
 
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Sitting on your hands and trying nothing much better idea, in that way you can watch the trend continue.

Or maybe you believe that your $100mln QB will get his head out of his ***, eventually.

Which he did. Unfortunately it was far too late.

But lets be honest here... Ben would have looked awful even against Dallas, if that was his first game back. It's just what he does!
 
Of course Ben took all the blame, unlike the coach.
Maybe they should've tried the quick pace passing game earlier, instead of running bell into a wall over and over again, but like Tomlin says, we didn't want to be one dimensional.
 
Why we lost. Ben can man up. Tomlin will blame his team in some way shape or form.

Ben did not play well. He's hurting. But I saw a lot of dropped passes, a and blocked punt for a score. Major reasons why the Steelers lost.

Take away that Punt block, and we could have won.
 
Or maybe you believe that your $100mln QB will get his head out of his ***, eventually.

Which he did. Unfortunately it was far too late.

But lets be honest here... Ben would have looked awful even against Dallas, if that was his first game back. It's just what he does!


yeah head out of his *** coming off a injury

ever tried to do anything physical coming off surgery?

not a easy task....


Funny is some of yinz think yinz magically are going to be 100%.

But IF you have to start Ben put the team in the best position to win, until he rebounds.


Like many have said the team didn't do that, until too little too late.
 
Maybe they should've tried the quick pace passing game earlier, instead of running bell into a wall over and over again, but like Tomlin says, we didn't want to be one dimensional.
They have been pretty one-dimensional the last few weeks. They consistently lose.
 
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Maybe they should've tried the quick pace passing game earlier, instead of running bell into a wall over and over again, but like Tomlin says, we didn't want to be one dimensional.
They have been pretty one-dimensional the last few weeks. They consistently lose.

Tomlin had no problem being one dimensional in Miami when Bell was averaging 5+ per carry, and we only ran Bell 10 times, yesterday he was averaging 2 ypc and we continued to try to run him.
 
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