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Talking draft.

depends how much decent/good olb free agents are around and their price . i would take a look at mcphee , jabal sheard (if recovered), or tmaba hali if is cut to sign houston .. then i would weight all the options .
 
SteelerAl said:
Sure, but there's a guy like that every year. We all love to root for the guy who has good combine numbers and made a couple plays in Q4 of a preseason game or two, but until proven otherwise he is nothing more than a camp body...the next Adrian Robinson or Andre Frazier or the many others that we've all forgotten about...
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I don't think anyone is penciling him as a starter or anything, just an interesting guy to see if he can step it up.
 
TDX27 said:
I was looking on one website and they were suggesting we pick some DE that is over 6' and weights 220. How in the hell can a 220 lb dude take on a 350 lb offensive lineman on almost every play? That is just stupid. The dude would be worn out by half time. We need someone 250 lbs, strong and fast. I don't want any more projects coming from the 1st or 2nd rounds. Those guys need to be able to hopefully start in year 1. Any project type players come from the later rounds. Sounds obvious to me but what the hell do I know.
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Walterfootball has us taking Owamagbe Odighizuwa in the second. Two hip surgeries made him miss the entire 2013 season.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737142/owamagbe-odighizuwa

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/owamagbe-odighizuwa?id=2552275

Not skilled as a pass rusher.
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Just what we need!~
 
deljzc said:
I know people don't want to hear this, but I fully expect Tombert to franchise tag Jason Worilds this off-season.

We'll release Polalmalu and announce a big Roethlisberger contract to lower his cap hit in March and franchise tag Worilds.

We'll play around with what little money we have left to sign some mid-level free agents in the secondary/RB to fill in holes. We'll draft an OLB, OT and secondary depth with our top-4 picks.

We'll sign Heyward, Worilds and Beachum to long-term contracts in July/August (in that order).

Next year we'll have Worilds and Jones as our starting OLB. We'll still have good depth at ILB. We'll have Moats and Zumwaldt and rookie at backup OLB. We'll have a lot of new no-name faces in the secondary. The D-line stays the same (no Keisel).

That's it. Nothing fancy.
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You think they will get Worilds to sign a long term contract after tagging him again? I won't mind if they sign him to some contract as long as it isn't particularly generous. I hope we don't tag him, but they might considering our other options at OLB, at this point. I agree with Ron that someone will overpay him, I just hope it isn't us. I'm not sure, this year, what "overpay" means to me, though. I wouldn't offer him as much as I would have last year.
 
hip surgery? Bo knows.
 
Mel Kiper's Kiss of Death, version 1, via reddit

1 - Tampa Bay - QB Jameis Winston - Florida State

2 - Tennessee - QB Marcus Mariota - Oregon

3 - Jacksonville - DE Leonard Williams - USC

4 - Oakland - WR Amari Cooper - Alabama

5 - Washington - DE Randy Gregory - Nebraska

6 - NYJ - DE Shane Ray - Missouri

7 - Chicago - S Landon Collins - Alabama

8 - Atlanta - DE Dante Fowler Jr. - Florida

9 - NYG - OT Brandon Scherff - Iowa

10 - St. Louis - OT TJ Clemmens - Pittsburgh

11 - Minnesota - WR Devante Parker - Louisville

12 - Cleveland - DT Danny Shelton - Washington

13 - New Orleans - DE Vic Beasley - Clemson

14 - Miami - OLB Shaq Thompson - Washington

15 - San Francisco - WR Kevin White - West Virginia

16 - Houston - CB Trae Waynes - Michigan State

17 - San Diego - DE Arik Armstead - Oregon

18 - Kansas City - WR Dorial Green-Beckham - Oklahoma

19 - Cleveland - OT Ereck Flowers - Miami (FL)

20 - Philadelphia - CB Marcus Peters - Washington

21 - Cincinnati - OLB Bud Dupree - Kentucky

22 - Pittsburgh - CB Kevin Johnson - Wake Forest

23 - Detroit - DT Malcom Brown - Texas

24 - Arizona - RB Melvin Grodon - Wisconsin

25 - Carolina - OT Andrus Peat - Stanford

26 - Baltimore - WR Devin Funchess - Michigan

27 - Dallas - DT Jordan Phillips - Oklahoma

28 - Denver - ILB - Benardrick Mckinney - Mississippi State

29 - Indianapolis - WR Jaelen Strong - Arizona State

30 - Green Bay - DT Eddie Goldman - Florida State

31 - New England - WR Sammie Coates - Auburn

32 - Seattle - WR Devin Smith - Ohio State
 
Shelton looks like a beast perfect kind of guy for us but he isn't going to fall boo...
 
ark steel said:
You think they will get Worilds to sign a long term contract after tagging him again? I won't mind if they sign him to some contract as long as it isn't particularly generous. I hope we don't tag him, but they might considering our other options at OLB, at this point. I agree with Ron that someone will overpay him, I just hope it isn't us. I'm not sure, this year, what "overpay" means to me, though. I wouldn't offer him as much as I would have last year.
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Yes. I expect the tag and then a long-term deal in which he gets overpaid. Just like Max Starks.

Starks was tagged around $7.5 million in 2009 (can't find the exact amount). That tag value resulted in a 4-year, $26.3 million contract with $11.4 million paid to him that first year total. Nothing after that was guaranteed.

If we project that to a guessed $10 million tag for Worilds, you would get a 4-year, $35 million deal with $15 million paid out this year (in salary and bonuses) as an equivalent Max Starks type deal. No money would be guaranteed other than this year's $15 million.

I could see the exact same thing happening with Jason Worilds. In fact, I see no difference between the two situations. Both are average players at their position. Both coming off tags. Both at premier positions (LT vs. pass rusher). Both at positions we have no other player on the roster that can play the spot.
 
If Worilds gets that contract, Tombert should be fired on the spot. Over paying mediocre FA is just like over-drafting for need. Neither can sustain winning.
 
Coach said:
The way I see it, our primary needs are OLB, CB, NT, and S.

With the 22nd pick, it is likely the best three edge rusher and best three DB's will be gone. I do not want to reach for a Jarvis Jones or Chad Scott type in round one. So what do we do? IMO, our run defense, once a hallmark of excellence has become soft. When the Steelers were advancing in the playoffs, we had great DT's or NT's. Men like Joe Greene, Joel Steed, or Casey Hampton. McClendon is adequate ( and a free agent soon ) but he's also part of a run defense that gave up 4.4 yards a carry. Only a a handful of teams were worse. To compound the problem, Shazier isn't a big guy and will likely have issues shedding blocks. But if you keep a player like Shazier clean from traffic, he can really shine.

A new man in the middle is needed. The good news is there is one with a projected mid to late first round grade. That man is Danny Shelton.

Shelton is a true two gap NT, who not only can occupy blockers, he can be disruptive! For a nose tackle he has rare production in terms of sacks and QB pressure. In addition he hustles a lot and has been reported as a bright young man. Don't get me wrong, I want OLB Gregory, or OLB Ray in round one. If mock drafts are close to accurate, both Ray and Gregory are top 12 picks.

http://www.seniorbowl.com/prospect-profiles-view.php?p=616

So perhaps we don't reach for OLB or CB in round one, and pick a player who can upgrade the run and pass D. Then pick BPA in rounds 2-4 on OLB, CB, and S.

Thoughts?
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Depending on how the draft fell I wouldn't be upset with Danny Shelton. He's a big man who can move, shed blocks, take on double teams and even has enough athleticism to get after the QB and push the pocket. I feel he is a lot like Haloti Ngata and can play all three positions on the DL in the 34 but best suited in the NT position. My question is how does Dan McCuller progress this year. He looked good in preseason and if he can stay low seems to be hard to move in the middle. Not saying there's not room for him on the team if Shelton is drafted just curious how he progresses this year.

For OLB the guy that seems to be there in a lot of mock drafts that I like is Vic Beasley. Good first step, can dip his hips, uses his hands well. Might not be the strongest run supporter but can get the QB.

For CB I see Trae Wayne and Marcus Peters getting picked around our spot but Wayne is too skinny for a first rounder and Peters has character issues so I pass on both.

For safety Landon Collins is a very good athlete but I don't know if he has the insticts for the safety position. Seems to get out of space a lot and opens up plays down field. Reminds me too much of Mike Mitchell.
 
deljzc said:
Yes. I expect the tag and then a long-term deal in which he gets overpaid. Just like Max Starks.

Starks was tagged around $7.5 million in 2009 (can't find the exact amount). That tag value resulted in a 4-year, $26.3 million contract with $11.4 million paid to him that first year total. Nothing after that was guaranteed.

If we project that to a guessed $10 million tag for Worilds, you would get a 4-year, $35 million deal with $15 million paid out this year (in salary and bonuses) as an equivalent Max Starks type deal. No money would be guaranteed other than this year's $15 million.

I could see the exact same thing happening with Jason Worilds. In fact, I see no difference between the two situations. Both are average players at their position. Both coming off tags. Both at premier positions (LT vs. pass rusher). Both at positions we have no other player on the roster that can play the spot.
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I didn't remember the tag on Starks ending up with a contract in the same year. Thanks for the clarification.

I hope you are wrong about them giving Worilds all of that.
 
Steel Ballin said:
If Worilds gets that contract, Tombert should be fired on the spot. Over paying mediocre FA is just like over-drafting for need. Neither can sustain winning.
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I couldn't agree more, but Tomlin does like him and said he had a very productive season and singled him out after the season.
 
we gotta trade up for Tre Waynes a better taller and faster Darqueze Dennard. The only problem I would have with the Wake Forest CB is level of competition, let's see how he does at the SR bowl. round 2 S, Worlids 4 years 18.8 million
 
ark steel said:
I didn't remember the tag on Starks ending up with a contract in the same year. Thanks for the clarification.

I hope you are wrong about them giving Worilds all of that.
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Starks was tagged twice. In 2008 he played the whole season under the transition tag @ around $6.9 million.

In the beginning of 2009 we FRANCHISED tagged him and then negotiated a new 4-year deal to replace the 1-year tag number. I finally found on rotoworld what the franchise tag number was for Starks - $8.451 million (higher than I thought) so maybe my estimate for a potential Worilds deal is a bit high (not much though).
 
ark steel said:
I didn't remember the tag on Starks ending up with a contract in the same year. Thanks for the clarification.

I hope you are wrong about them giving Worilds all of that.
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Starks was originally on a 1yr Transition tag @ 6.85mil signed in April '08.

The following year, he signed another tag @ 8.451mil in Feb but turned it into a 4yr/26.3mil deal in June.

I hope we don't go after Worilds without checking out some other guys who, with a bit more money will give us a more dynamic OLB.

Sorry Del, tryin to help out and you beat me to it!
 
My top 3 picks for the Steelers:

1.22 - Dante Fowler, OLB UF (Can be used as 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE, position flexibility is big with Tomlin)
2.56 - PJ Williams, CB. FSU (Need an upgrade and competition)
3.87 - Ben Koyack, TE, ND (Seems to be the best all round TE in the draft)

I'm counting on teams losing their minds and players falling that you wouldn't think would fall.

Papillon
 
papillon said:
My top 3 picks for the Steelers:

1.22 - Dante Fowler, OLB UF (Can be used as 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE, position flexibility is big with Tomlin)
2.56 - PJ Williams, CB. FSU (Need an upgrade and competition)
3.87 - Ben Koyack, TE, ND (Seems to be the best all round TE in the draft)

I'm counting on teams losing their minds and players falling that you wouldn't think would fall.

Papillon
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would be nice set of picks
 
stuntmanmike said:
Shelton looks like a beast perfect kind of guy for us...
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Danny Shelton could be 2015’s most overrated prospect

If Danny Shelton is going to be a first round pick this year — and I’m not convinced — he’ll need to prove he’s more than just a run stuffer.

Remember Louis Nix? About this time last year he was being touted as a likely first round choice. The usual things were said, “there aren’t many people who can do what he can at his size.” In reality, that wasn’t really true. He was pretty average at the combine, carried too much bad weight, had some character concerns and flopped into round three.

There’s a reason the word ‘rare’ is place before the words ‘nose tackle’ when trying to describe the type of player who does go early in the first round. Dontari Poe was the #11 overall pick in 2012. He was 345lbs, 6-3 and looked in terrific shape. He ran a blistering 4.97 at the combine. He really was a freak of nature. That’s your rare nose tackle right there. Not just any type of big guy with production. Recent history shows (more on that later) that there just aren’t that many nose tackles going in the first round.

Shelton is not Poe. Far from it, in fact. He’s 339lbs but looks fatter. Poe is as chiseled as a 345lbs defensive tackle can be. Shelton has a flabby midriff and doesn’t have the same foot-speed or general athleticism. Would anyone be shocked if Shelton’s forty time is nearer to Nix’s 5.42 than Poe’s 4.97?

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http://seahawksdraftblog.com/danny-shelton-could-be-2015s-most-overrated-prospect
 
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