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John Fox OUT as Broncos head coach

ark steel said:
Leave it to you to turn this into another whiney thread.
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Leave it to you to ***** about one of my posts. And I'm not by any stretch the first one to bring it up in this thread. I am, of course, the one you chose to respond to, as your hard-on for me is threatening to destroy yet another pair of pants.

Waa waa waa
 
str8liner said:
Wow, so it was either win the Super bowl or get fired for Fox this year.

I am there will be droves of coaches looking to meet those expectations.
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But they were 12-4 and made it two rounds into the playoffs? The Steelers were...oh wait.....
 
Idioteque said:
This is so weird. I thought that if your team has a good W-L% with you at the helm, it means you're a good coach and your team would be stupid to fire you.

Leave it to the stupid Broncos to only give their coach four years to win with a HOF QB. Everyone knows a coach needs at least 10-15 years to build a winner. And if you try to upgrade before then, you're the Bills.
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Well, the Oilers let Bum Phillips go after a 11-5 season and didn't see another winning season for 6 years.
 
ExUSAF said:
Well, the Oilers let Bum Phillips go after a 11-5 season and didn't see another winning season for 6 years.
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Very true. But there are examples both ways. The Cowboys fired legend Tom Landry and won back-to-back SBs with his replacement. The Bucs fired Dungy after three straight playoff seasons and won a SB with his replacement.
 
According to Glazer, this appeared to be a year in the making.
 
12-4 and a SB appearance last year and he gets fired. Damn, you'd think some coaches with jobs would be kissing the ground right about now. Patience is a virtue.
 
So basically there is no tried and true method and the Rooneys can do what they believe and has worked for them the last 45 years
 
thesteelcity said:
12-4 and a SB appearance last year and he gets fired. Damn, you'd think some coaches with jobs would be kissing the ground right about now. Patience is a virtue.
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I'm sure that Cool Shades does, every morning. He'd have to miss the playoffs for about 5 years in a row before they'd even consider firing him. And he knows this.
I don't think that Shades WANTS to lose. Shoot, I think he honestly wants to win the SB every season. But there are times when things aren't going well and you can see that deer-in-the-headlights look and you KNOW he doesn't know WTF to do.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I'm sure that Cool Shades does, every morning. He'd have to miss the playoffs for about 5 years in a row before they'd even consider firing him. And he knows this.
I don't think that Shades WANTS to lose. Shoot, I think he honestly wants to win the SB every season. But there are times when things aren't going well and you can see that deer-in-the-headlights look and you KNOW he doesn't know WTF to do.
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so, you assume I was talking about our sometimes Deer-in-the-Headlights HC? You silly wabbit! I would not do such a thing. He's secure here as a Fifth Ave. hooker at a sucking-a-tennis-ball-through-a-garden-hose convention.
I do believe he wants to win and is passionate about his team. Does he make some bad decisions and judgments? Yep! He's not perfect and I'm sure he would share those sentiments, as well. He is quite fortunate that he has patient owners, though.
 
antdrewjosh said:
So basically there is no tried and true method and the Rooneys can do what they believe and has worked for them the last 45 years
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absolutely, the best business model is to assume everyone and everything is the same, that Tomlin is Noll, and everything will always work out because Steelers.
 
thesteelcity said:
12-4 and a SB appearance last year and he gets fired. Damn, you'd think some coaches with jobs would be kissing the ground right about now. Patience is a virtue.
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they had seen the same movie 3 years in a row. First round bye, record-shattering quarterback, everything on their side, major playoff failure. Eventually, they began to wonder if it was all a coincidence.
 
Idioteque said:
they had seen the same movie 3 years in a row. First round bye, record-shattering quarterback, everything on their side, major playoff failure. Eventually, they began to wonder if it was all a coincidence.
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While I agree, maybe they should look at their aging, neck surgery-laden QB that looked like dog crap in the SB and this past PO game. He is clearly at the end of his legendary rope. Just saying.
 
I think Manning is going to retire, but draw it out long, before announcing. I think the FO knows this, Fox didn't want to cooperate, thus the split. I could care less for the donko's, more turmoil the better. Let the new car smell, fart his way out of the league.



Salute the nation
 
Idioteque said:
Very true. But there are examples both ways. The Cowboys fired legend Tom Landry and won back-to-back SBs with his replacement. The Bucs fired Dungy after three straight playoff seasons and won a SB with his replacement.
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Yeah, and then Jerrah ran Jimmy out of town and they didn't win squat for 20 years now. And then the Bucs with Gruden never won another playoff game, ditched him and went back to complete irrelevancy.
 
Steel G said:
Yeah, and then Jerrah ran Jimmy out of town and they didn't win squat for 20 years now. And then the Bucs with Gruden never won another playoff game, ditched him and went back to complete irrelevancy.
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What happened years later isn't relevant to the fact that replacing a coach whose team has won at times isn't some death knell. The fact that you've led the team when it's won shouldn't make you untouchable or irreplaceable. Especially when the team's success has eroded to a marked degree under your watch.
 
Mike Smith is an even better example. 66-46 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 years - including two bad injury-wrecked seasons at the end. Yet his in-game coaching was so bad, and his defense's shortcomings so major (though he had a defensive background) that the Falcons thought they could do better. They would be ridiculous to just assume Smith will turn things around because his team succeeded a few years ago.

Now, Tomlin is a better coach than Smith in my eyes, but very few people are indispensable to their companies, and almost everyone could be improved upon. You don't just refuse to try and improve because, hey, things could be worse.
 
Interesting times in Denver. I wonder how long they will hold onto the false hope that Manning will lead them to a ring?
 
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