Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

In 2021, the USA has had 395,446 Covid deaths supposedly. Compared to 366,410 deaths in 2020. An 8% increase over last year.

WA State data showed 23.3% of all deaths were vaccinated people.

If we apply that to the USA 2021 numbers:
Vaxed deaths: 92,139
Unvaxed deaths: 303,307

If WA State's data is indicative of the national average, that nearly 1/4 of all deaths are vaxed people, that's not good.

 

[oneforthebus]

Just odd.

We have all had our vaccines throughout life. Worst case, some mild fever, some fatigue. Maybe a little nausea.

Seems common as **** that with these vaccines, the impact is immediate and severe for many.

Purely coincidence and we should all just accept this as the new normal. Of course these new vaccines are brutal, get with the program.

Or just maybe, as everyone has been saying, they just aren't "right"

It could be that it's because this is a novel virus that our immune systems have no experience reacting too. I don't know. What I do know (and it is anecdotal but also supported by data) is that I now know many more people who have had severe effects from covid, including death, than from the vaccines. I still agree with you that people, especially young healthy people who have natural immunity should not be forced to get it. There is still really no scientific basis for that.

 

[Troglodyte]

When I present you with an apple, you continue to argue about an orange.

Your President has presided over more deaths in 2021 than we had in 2020.
We are now 3/4s vaccinated.
If the vaccines worked, deaths would have dropped.
Cases would have decreased, leading to fewer hospitalizations, fewer deaths.
Instead, we have more.

Now you will again come back and argue that more people who are unvaccinated die than those who are vaccinated.

I present you with an apple. You argue about an orange.

You don't even see the disconnect.

The vaccine doesn’t protect the unvaccinated nor does it protect retroactively to January 1, 2021. Where is your disconnect?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So the unvaccinated account for 77% of the deaths and are 5.7X more likely to die of Covid. And yet you argue they aren’t driving the 2021 deaths. How do you figure, exactly?

Higher VOLUMES Floggy.

VOLUME.

Not PERCENTAGES dipshit.

Why are OVERALL deaths greater in the USA and in most states this year v last? The vaccines prevent serious illness/death...we've...been...told.

****, can you even understand debates?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

It could be that it's because this is a novel virus that our immune systems have no experience reacting too. I don't know.

I don't either. We have been exposed as a people to SARS. This is part of that family. Studies showed people who battled prior SARS fared better battling C19.

What I do know (and it is anecdotal but also supported by data) is that I now know many more people who have had severe effects from covid, including death, than from the vaccines.

I know two people only who had any lingering effects (neither are severe). And I would say 3% of people I know have not had it. Anecdotal also.

I still agree with you that people, especially young healthy people who have natural immunity should not be forced to get it. There is still really no scientific basis for that.

None. None at all. He didn't need it.

You might have seen the question I asked elsewhere. One of my college frat brothers responded today when I asked about losing feeling in legs/partial paralysis after being vaxed. His reply:



No idea what he's dealing with. But not well. I'll ping him later and find out.

I don't want my ultra-healthy 22 year old suffering long term for a vax he 100% didn't need.

 

[Troglodyte]

In 2021, the USA has had 395,446 Covid deaths supposedly. Compared to 366,410 deaths in 2020. An 8% increase over last year.

WA State data showed 23.3% of all deaths were vaccinated people.

If we apply that to the USA 2021 numbers:
Vaxed deaths: 92,139
Unvaxed deaths: 303,307

If WA State's data is indicative of the national average, that nearly 1/4 of all deaths are vaxed people, that's not good.

Uh, show your math on that 2021 extrapolation. This should be good…

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The vaccine doesn’t protect the unvaccinated nor does it protect retroactively to January 1, 2021. Where is your disconnect?

By January 31, 9% of Washington State had been vaccinated.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Uh, show your math on that 2021 extrapolation. This should be good…

It's all there. Go compute your own death totals for 2020 and 2021 in the USA.

 

[Steelworth]

Wow, Chinese flu, shot #1, shot #2 and I'm sure booster is on the way. That would be FOUR ways you are protected from the Chinese death.

Know how much money it would cost you if you spent $12.50 per protective measure? $50. It would cost you $50. But you got them all for free, didn't you?

So it looks like you have an extra $50 lying around. Wonder what you could do with an extra $50, I wonder, wonder, wonder.

It. Never. Gets. Old.

 

[Steelworth]

I wonder, wonder, wonder.

 

[Steelworth]

It's all there. Go compute your own death totals for 2020 and 2021 in the USA.

Ha! TAKE THAT!

- FloggedbyLife

 

[Superman]

The vaccine doesn’t protect the unvaccinated nor does it protect retroactively to January 1, 2021. Where is your disconnect?

then its truly, by real definition, not a vaccine, but a shot.

 

[Sarge]

I don't know why it's so hard to admit that both vaxed and unvaxed people are dying of covid. Yes, the unvaxed are dying at a higher rate than the vaxed, but the percentage of vaccinated people dying is higher than it should be for a vaccine that supposedly has an efficacy above 90%.

Over 20% of any vaccinated population dying, whether it be a city, county, state or nation is kinda significant, I would think, But then, I am also unable to twist myself into believing something other than what I see because I don't want to believe what I see.

This whole thing is stupid. The arguments, the name calling, all of it. This nation will never find a solution to any real problem because we are too busy trying to prove whose fault it is.

 

[Troglodyte]

In 2021, the USA has had 395,446 Covid deaths supposedly. Compared to 366,410 deaths in 2020. An 8% increase over last year.

WA State data showed 23.3% of all deaths were vaccinated people.

If we apply that to the USA 2021 numbers:
Vaxed deaths: 92,139
Unvaxed deaths: 303,307

If WA State's data is indicative of the national average, that nearly 1/4 of all deaths are vaxed people, that's not good.

So how was the vaccine supposed to stop 303,307 unvaccinated deaths? And wouldn’t the 2021 deaths be MUCH lower than 2020 without those 303,307 deaths? Actually, Washington has a higher vaccination rate than the US, so their vaccinated deaths should be higher as a percentage. It would be more accurate to assume the 1:5.7 ratio making it:

Vaxed Deaths: 59,022
Unvaxed Deaths: 336,424

 

[Troglodyte]

then its truly, by real definition, not a vaccine, but a shot.

And how should people now define Operation Warp Speed?

 

[Superman]

And how should people now define Operation Warp Speed?

oh boy, you got me there. you backed me into a corner on that one. woo wee.

how about ... just off the cuff here ...

the definition of Warp Speed was and shall remain the same. Thus far, only a therapeutic has been developed. A VACCINE has not. A SHOT has. Though I'm 100% open to full discussion about that.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So how was the vaccine supposed to stop 303,307 unvaccinated deaths?

It wasn't dumbass. But it should have prevented a LARGE % of the 23.3% who died while vaccinated. That's a damning number, no matter how much you spin it.

And wouldn’t the 2021 deaths be MUCH lower than 2020 without those 303,307 deaths?

What a stupid diversion. Wouldn't car accident victim stats be lower without the deaths attributed to those people not wearing seatbelts?

Wouldn't the deaths this year be a lot lower if we a) had an effective President, and b) the vaccines actually did what they are supposed to do?

Actually, Washington has a higher vaccination rate than the US, so their vaccinated deaths should be higher as a percentage.

Again, but their deaths this year are HIGHER overall than last year. If overall deaths were dropping while the % of deaths increased among the vaxed, I'd agree. But their deaths overall are INCREASING while the #s of people the vax dying ALSO increases.

Failed argument.

It would be more accurate to assume the 1:5.7 ratio making it:

Vaxed Deaths: 59,022
Unvaxed Deaths: 336,424

And where do you get that data from? Link?

We do not have national data on what number of people have died this year who were vaccinated v. those who died unvaxed. So I'm using the WA state numbers YOU provided.

Again, a damning offer by you, to share a highly vaccinated state, that saw deaths increasing in 2021 and nearly 1/4 of their deaths are vaxed people.

Not very effective vaccines.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Further to my prior post, we have no national data. So I went and explored Maryland. Interesting find from their website. Now, deceptively, they aren't showing September and October where cases/hospitalizations/deaths were still bad, but follow the yellow. They also have left out the partially vaccinated population.

Also keep in mind the fully vaxed get tested far less and likely only when they are symptomatic.

March: 1.28% cases were vaccinated
April: 2.74% cases were vaccinated
May: 5.72% cases were vaccinated
June: 13.71% cases were vaccinated
July: 25.63% cases were vaccinated
August: 28.1% cases were vaccinated

Cases among the vaccinated increased from 1.28% to 28.1% in 6 months. Like...holy ****. Can someone say drastic waning?



Now look at hospitalizations. Again, no September and October.

March: 1.69% of admissions were vaxed
April: 4.07% of admissions were vaxed
May: 8.76% of admissions were vaxed
June: 17.58% of admissions were vaxed
July: 20.19% of admissions were vaxed
August: 22.99% of admissions were vaxed

Holy **** again.

Roughly 30% of Maryland residents who died from coronavirus-related illnesses between Sept. 1 and Oct. 15 were fully vaccinated, the state health department said.

 

[Steelworth]

And how should people I now define Operation Warp Speed?

Maybe start here:

then once you're done marveling at the pictures and you've graduated there:

then, once you're done there, maybe step out of the basement - with your bubble tightly sealed:

and then well - I guess it's just become the start of a new, freeloading troll day for Flogged:

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I went to high school with her and her husband. She has 4 kids, strong Christian family.

She posted this today in response to my post elsewhere. All just pure coincidence and no link to the vaccines I'm sure.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Fun watching somebody non political start catching on to what’s happening. Watch this for his montage of mainstream media and their sponsors. What’s great about this is you have Rogan who people know doesn’t have an agenda and being defended by another non political guy. This is the stuff the media hates. They write off Fox News or Tucker Carlson as a right winger, but that doesn’t work against Rogan or Brand.

 

[Sarge]

Fun watching somebody non political start catching on to what’s happening. Watch this for his montage of mainstream media and their sponsors. What’s great about this is you have Rogan who people know doesn’t have an agenda and being defended by another non political guy. This is the stuff the media hates. They write off Fox News or Tucker Carlson as a right winger, but that doesn’t work against Rogan or Brand.

Interesting. Makes sense as to why every media outlet in America is vaccine worshipping. And Russel Brand, of all people, figured it out.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Floggy done gone say Nuh-uh!!! Math!

Ireland is 91% Vaccinated and Covid cases are soaring​

In the Republic of Ireland, health officials are running out of people to blame. This has become embarrassingly obvious in County Waterford. As reported in the Irish Times, the nation’s establishment newspaper, two of the three most COVID-infected electoral areas in Ireland are located in the county “with the highest rate of vaccination in the country.”



73% of deaths between October 9 and 16 had received the Vaccine…

Waterford, once the crown jewel of Ireland’s Vaccination program, now has the highest rate of infection in the country. For the first time since March, the number of patients in hospital with Covid in Ireland is over 400. This in a country where 92% of adults have been Vaccinated against the CCP Virus.

It’s worse for County Waterford where almost every single person over the age of 18 has been double jabbed and yet case numbers are surging with more than 700 new cases documented in the last 2 weeks.

The number of vaccinated patients in ICU now is almost as high as the entire number of Covid patients in ICU a year ago. HSE chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry admitted the figures were “higher than we would like” but added they would be even higher but for the impact of vaccination.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

My coworker's husband tested positive for the 'Rona on Monday and she tested positive yesterday. They were both vaccinated.
So are me and my whole family. I'm to where I think that it doesn't matter what you do, it's just something that has to work its way through the whole world and people will develop herd immunity.
I went 6 months without a Covid case at the funeral home, now I've had 3 in October. One was older with a number of health problems, the other two were both literally 350 pounds. News saying Allegheny County's cases are up 10%.

 

[Sarge]

Here in NC, hospitalizations have dropped 72% in the last 30 days, and cases have dropped 32% in the last 14 days.

Strange virus this one, how it seems to hammer regions, then nearly disappear almost in the blink of an eye.