Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

Oh… an I love the people who say they are putting a chip in your arm. Please don’t get the shot. We need less morons.

If you are referring to the injected microchips that’s definitely scifi right now

if you are talking about the medical/financial info chip they want to put in your hand or arm, that’s been in medical testing for well over twenty years and is closer to reality than people think… thats not even a conspiracy.. there are plenty of scientific and social discussions of where they are at and the benefits they are claiming for the system…

that will be in place within ten years if not sooner…

but the mind control nanobots are probably best left to the movies for now lol…

 

[Steelworth]

No. They remain fairly effective against infection with the delta variant, and extremely effective against severe illness and death. More effective than most flu shots. Not perfect but perfect shouldn't be the enemy of good or very good.

The one vaccine that's showing real promise (at least preliminary - this is a virus that's going to keep mutating) is the Novavax protein subunit vaccine - but Pfizer Pfizer Pfizer because it's all about the .

Natural immunity is showing to be more effective than anything actually (like has been for so long with any respiratory virus), but you've already got your mind made up, that's for sure. We'll be seeing the next variant and the booster for it shortly.

 

[Steelworth]

Ill take my 9 month herd immunity and run with it after this, thank you.

You monster!

 

[Steelworth]

LOL, I said I was out of this convo awhile ago so I really do need to be now.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No, “now” is the furthest right point on the graph. The graph shows cases rising IN ALL REGIONS well before August. I am only arguing what the graph CLEARLY shows.

Louisiana is (still) at 114% of its winter peak and has 92 cases/100k.

Mississippi is at 129% of its winter peak and 103 cases/100k.

Pennsylvania is at 31% of its winter peak and 26 cases/100k.

Perspective, Tim, perspective.

Case loads are without argument, undeniably DROPPING where Delta hit first.
Case loads are without argument, undeniably RISING at higher rates in states where Delta didn't first land.

Facts.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

As I just pointed out, low vaccination states like Louisiana and Mississippi are seeing case loads higher than the first two waves. Which high vaccination state is seeing case loads higher than the first two waves?

I know, I know “just wait” but you aren’t predicting anything, right?

Case loads are without argument, undeniably DROPPING where Delta hit first.
Case loads are without argument, undeniably RISING at higher rates in states where Delta didn't first land.

Facts.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Another quick update.....

Bro in law tested positive this AM after starting to show symptoms over the weekend.

Fully Vaccinated with Moderna.

Ill take my 9 month herd immunity and run with it after this, thank you.

Being vaccinated and getting COVID is a viral issue now.

I don't care what the news says about breakthrough cases, you can no longer convince anyone breakthrough cases are just 1 or 2 or 3 percent.

 

[Troglodyte]

Case loads are without argument, undeniably DROPPING where Delta hit first.
Case loads are without argument, undeniably RISING at higher rates in states where Delta didn't first land.

Facts.

First? Nonsense. Show on the graph one region getting hit before another region.

Mississippi avg cases 7/3/21: 110 then they started rising

Louisiana avg cases 7/5/21: 300 then they started rising.

Pennsylvania avg cases 7/8/21: 162 then they started rising.

Are you arguing that the 3-5 day lag has resulted in the huge differences seven weeks later? Please!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

First? Nonsense. Show on the graph one region getting hit before another region.

Mississippi avg cases 7/3/21: 110 then they started rising

Louisiana avg cases 7/5/21: 300 then they started rising.

Pennsylvania avg cases 7/8/21: 162 then they started rising.

Are you arguing that the 3-5 day lag has resulted in the huge differences seven weeks later? Please!

You literally continue to argue that Delta variant hit all 50 states at the same time simultaneously? Just stop there. Do you realize just how stupid that is? I mean just that notion. The flu doesn't hit us all at once in every location, in every state, in every county at once. No virus hits any nation all at once in every locale simultaneously - ever. But you argue this. It's likely the most moronic thing you have argued to date.

India had a HUGE Delta surge months ago. We didn't. But you argue it hits everywhere at once.
England had a large Delta surge prior to the USA. But you argue it hits everywhere at once.

The amount of stupidity here is truly astonishing.

Cases around the country began rising in July. THEY WERE NOT ALL THE DELTA VARIANT. I mean for ***** sake it was all over the news that Delta was infecting LA, MS and MO early but was not affecting the majority of other states.

You wanna keep pointing to individual states, lets.

OREGON: 58% vaccinated. Highest # of cases ever.



Washington State: 60% vaccinated. Highest # of cases ever and climbing.



Vermont: 68% vaccinated. pproaching their highest # of cases ever and climbing.



Massachusetts: 66% vaccinated, cases still rising.



Maine: 66% vaccinated, cases sharply rising



Maryland: 61% vaccinated, cases sharply rising



New Jersey: 61% vaccinated, cases rising



Washington DC - 57% vaccinated, cases sharply rising



Virginia: 57% vaccinated, cases sharply rising




Delaware - 55% vaccinated, cases sharply rising



To be continued....

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

First? Nonsense. Show on the graph one region getting hit before another region.

Mississippi avg cases 7/3/21: 110 then they started rising

Louisiana avg cases 7/5/21: 300 then they started rising.

Pennsylvania avg cases 7/8/21: 162 then they started rising.

Are you arguing that the 3-5 day lag has resulted in the huge differences seven weeks later? Please!

Now the others....where Delta began:

Louisiana - cases dropping


MS - cases dropping



AR - cases dropping



MO - cases dropping



ALL the original hot spots for Delta are seeing a reduction in cases.

While Delta spreads North.

 

[Troglodyte]

Being vaccinated and getting COVID is a viral issue now.

I don't care what the news says about breakthrough cases, you can no longer convince anyone breakthrough cases are just 1 or 2 or 3 percent.

From the article citing several doctors: Many breakthrough cases occur in people who are older or immune compromised, or have chronic conditions. They are often asymptomatic and the result of routine testing. They’re not super sick and don’t end up on ventilators or dying.

Breakthrough COVID-19 cases are rising, and experts are trying to figure out exactly what that means

Just how common infections among vaccinated people are isn’t well known.

www.post-gazette.com

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Now the others....where Delta began:

Louisiana - cases dropping
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MS - cases dropping

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AR - cases dropping

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MO - cases dropping

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ALL the original hot spots for Delta are seeing a reduction in cases.

While Delta spreads North.

I bet India shows the same too.

 

[Troglodyte]

You literally continue to argue that Delta variant hit all 50 states are the same time simultaneously? Just stop there. Do you realize just how stupid that is? I mean just that notion. The flu doesn't hit us all at once. No virus hits any nation all at once in every locale. But you argue this. It's likely the most moronic thing you have argued to date.

India had a HUGE Delta surge months ago. We didn't. But you argue it hits everywhere at once.
England had a large Delta surge prior to the USA. But you argue it hits everywhere at once.

The amount of stupidity here is truly astonishing.

Cases around the country began rising in July. THEY WERE NOT ALL THE DELTA VARIANT. I mean for ***** sake it was all over the news that Delta was infecting LA, MS and MO early but was not affecting the majority of other states.

You wanna keep pointing to individual states, lets.

OREGON: 58% vaccinated. Highest # of cases ever.

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Washington State: 60% vaccinated. Highest # of cases ever and climbing.

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Vermont: 68% vaccinated. Cases rising, approaching their highest # of cases ever and climbing.

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Massachusetts: 66% vaccinated, cases still rising.

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Maine: 66% vaccinated, cases sharply rising

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Maryland: 61% vaccinated, cases sharply rising

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New Jersey: 61% vaccinated, cases rising

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Washington DC - 57% vaccinated, cases sharply rising

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Virginia, 57% vaccinated, cases sharply rising

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Delaware - 55% vaccinated, cases sharply rising

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To be continued....

Put in proper perspective and it proves my point, Tim.

Of the highest vaccinated states, cases/100k:

Vermont: 21
Massachusetts: 21
Maine: 18

Even the less highly vaccinated are still currently seeing less than half of the cases/pop. when compared Mississippi and Louisiana:

Oregon: 49
Washington: 42

 

[Tibs]

Rest in peace, Caleb.

Leader of Texas anti-mask movement dies from Covid-19

‘Caleb has peacefully passed on. He will live forever in our hearts and minds,’ says Texas anti-mask campaigner’s wife and mother of his three daughters

www.independent.co.uk

A prominent anti-mask leader in Texas has died from complications caused by Covid-19.

Caleb Wallace, 30, spent three weeks in an intensive care unit at Shannon Medical Center in his hometown of San Angelo. His family had said previously that his situation was getting worse after he was admitted to the hospital on 30 July.

Mr Wallace was moved to a hospice on 27 August where his family was able to see him before he died. Earlier in July, Mr Wallace had staged a “Freedom Rally” for people who were “sick of the government being in control of our lives.”

 

[Steelworth]

From the article citing several doctors:

 

[Tibs]

Where the rubber meets the road.

Damn. A few months back, I was thinking transatlantic travel would be back to normal by the fall. I thought wrong. Red state governors are hellbent on dragging the nation through the mud. I guess the desired goal is to be like 17th century England, where they were burning bodies in the streets during the Plague.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

From the article citing several doctors: Many breakthrough cases occur in people who are older or immune compromised, or have chronic conditions. They are often asymptomatic and the result of routine testing. They’re not super sick and don’t end up on ventilators or dying.

Breakthrough COVID-19 cases are rising, and experts are trying to figure out exactly what that means

Just how common infections among vaccinated people are isn’t well known.

www.post-gazette.com

A month and a half ago, you argued....nay screamed...that breakthrough cases were 1.5% and anyone saying anything else was a conspiracy theorist.

TODAY you are posting an article stating breakthrough cases are rising.

Also from your article:

even as the number of new cases overall in Pennsylvania climbs to totals not seen since the spring.

Further from your article:

“National surveillance relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data are not complete or representative,” according to the CDC, which is conducting several studies of COVID-19 breakthrough rates.

The article is saying what I have been saying - while Israel and England and other nations report more transparently ALL of their data, we don't have our **** together. While other nations are seeing 85% of their hospitalized are vaccinated, or 65% are...our CDC continues to tell us just how VERY rare it is here in the USA as if we have a different less virulent COVID. Nope...the PPG validates what I've been saying...our data is bullshit. It's voluntary and incomplete.

Further from your article:

Officials believe the total count of breakthrough infections was likely an undercount, especially because some people do not have symptoms of the disease or have only mild infections.

In Allegheny County, based on limited testing data, the Health Department is seeing COVID-19 breakthrough rates of about 30%, department Director Dr. Debra Bogen said recently.

Further from your article:

Among people hospitalized for the virus in the Pittsburgh region, the percentage who have been fully vaccinated ranges between 7% and 40%, doctors say, depending on the time period measured.

At Washington Health System, between 25% and 40% of patients hospitalized for COVID-19 were fully vaccinated, said John Six, chief medical officer.

You need to work on your link game. You suck at it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I bet India shows the same too.

Yup.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Red state governors are hellbent on dragging the nation through the mud.

Governors Newsome, Inslee, and Brown say...hold my beer.



Before long with the Delta spread, yer gonna have a lot of governors to blame.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Put in proper perspective and it proves my point, Tim.

Of the highest vaccinated states, cases/100k:

Vermont: 21
Massachusetts: 21
Maine: 18

Even the less highly vaccinated are still currently seeing less than half of the cases/pop. when compared Mississippi and Louisiana:

Oregon: 49
Washington: 42

Where are cases on the rise?

Where are they dropping?

Next.

 

[Troglodyte]

Now the others....where Delta began:

Louisiana - cases dropping
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MS - cases dropping

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AR - cases dropping

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MO - cases dropping

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ALL the original hot spots for Delta are seeing a reduction in cases.

While Delta spreads North.

Go back and look at where cases started to rise in EVERY SINGLE ONE of those graphs. Isn’t it around the beginning of July? How are you arguing it hit some states earlier? Based on what?

 

[Steelworth]

 

[madinsomniac]

Go back and look at where cases started to rise in EVERY SINGLE ONE of those graphs. Isn’t it around the beginning of July? How are you arguing it hit some states earlier? Based on what?

To be fair, there was an ample segment of time before they admitted to larger scale breakthrough that they simply didn’t test many vaccinated and that probably skewered numbers somewhat… my company definitely scrapped needing testing for vaccinated people for a time…

as far as looking for delta, they started looking at the same time everywhere… its not something that shows up speciated on tests… they have to inspect for it to find it…

 

[madinsomniac]

Also I’d like to point out that my father, who is in the hospital for kidney disease and nothing covid related at all, got two doses of vaccine yet is still classified as unvaccinated because of a paperwork flaw… he has the card… his doctor has vouched for him being double jabbed… so I'm not real confident in any of the numbers right now lol

i mean his issues aren’t covid related so it’s irrelevant for now…

 

[Troglodyte]

Governors Newsome, Inslee, and Brown say...hold my beer.

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Before long with the Delta spread, yer gonna have a lot of governors to blame.

You’ll notice the highest Covid rates in Oregon are in the lesser vaccinated counties…

https://data.news-leader.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/oregon/41/