Covid Vaccine

[oneforthebus]

IDK, two weeks ago, no one was wearing them, today I was in 3 or 4 stores and I'd guess 40% were masked. The fear mongering is real.

Or the fear is real. I mean there are lots of people who actually have underlying conditions. Who have friends or relatives who have gotten very sick or died from this. Lots of people are full of bravado until it affects them personally.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

OK, I’m going to go with 97% of Oregon’s hospitalized are unvaccinated…

Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, CDC study says

The two datasets out Tuesday add to the emerging evidence that protection from COVID-19 shots decreases over time.

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You go with that. All you do is repeat bullshit and guess anyway.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

More like Karen Kim.

And there we go. Floggy discounting medical professionals that disagree with "The Religion." She knows a **** ton more about this situation than you, yet you dismiss her.

You're a feeble sheep.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Sounds like you're cool with catching, and re-catching Covid, while stomping around hysterically like a child. To each his own.

I'm not afraid of COVID, nor should 99.97% of us be.

The fact that you are is disturbing.

 

[Steelworth]

I think it's stupid not to, but people have their reasons. Pretty sure it is mostly political, even if people won't admit it.

It's not political for me, I'm not putting mRNA into my body. I'm crossing my fingers that Novavax gets their vaccine rollout going, and I'll take it.

"Unlike Pfizer or Moderna that made use of mRNA technology to develop their COVID-19 vaccines, Novavax took a well-established and older approach in making theirs. As a protein subunit vaccine, the Novavax vaccine injects a specific, isolated protein of the pathogen to trigger an immune response in the body. Some available vaccines for hepatitis B and pertussis currently use this technology."

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

A guy I work with was on vacation in Florida, contracted COVID, and died Sunday. He was unvaccinated. He was a black guy that was a staunch Democrat. Point is, COVID is coming for all of us.

Last year, on 60 Minutes I believe, an epidemiologist was being interviewed. An attractive, older, gray haired lady. The interviewer asked a question about the virus, how many will get it, etc. She smiled a grandmotherly smile and said "It's coming for all of us. We will all get it. It's just a matter of when."

Just like every one of us have gotten a cold or the flu. If you haven't gotten it, you will. Vaccines or not.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I appreciate her service.

I wonder why, if as we hear over and over again on this site, there is virtually no risk to her from covid, she says that she risked her life and lived in fear of getting covid for months. Sounds like she saw some stuff that might have scared her.

I would also ask her for the data on her assertion that the mortality rate from this vaccine is higher than any other. I can only assume she's referring to VAERS data, which as we know is not and should not be interpreted as mortality rate data. As an RN she would know that so I would be curious about what data she's referring to. I would want to ask her how many deaths she's seen that were caused by a vaccine, vs. deaths she's seen caused by covid. Sounds like she saw a whole heck of a lot of covid deaths.

I would want to ask her what I think is a more important questions:

Why, as a trained medical professional, are you so afraid of the vaccines? What do you know we do not? Why are you willing to resign, and lose your career over something that everyone tells us is utterly safe.

I'd like her to answer those questions. She seems...really pretty smart.

 

[oneforthebus]

I was sitting on a plane yesterday, the flight attendants were going around making sure everyone's nose was covered at all times. We're all in an enclosed metal tube sitting 6 inches away from each other but yes I'm sure moving that piece of cloth up one more inch on your face makes a huge difference.

Drinks were served and we all took our masks off for a good 15-30 minutes so we could eat some pretzels and drink some coke on this 2 hour flight.

So seriously, if you actually believed these masks were doing anything there wouldn't be snack breaks. Especially on a 2 hour flight.

Its pretty laughable when you really think about it.

 

[oneforthebus]

I would want to ask her what I think is a more important questions:

Why, as a trained medical professional, are you so afraid of the vaccines? What do you know we do not? Why are you willing to resign, and lose your career over something that everyone tells us is utterly safe.

I'd like her to answer those questions. She seems...really pretty smart.

Those are good questions too. She didn't really answer them in her speech though.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Agree. And once this is forced on you, what's next?

THAT is the major, overriding, #1 issue.

After we allow them to inject everyone with a vaccine, by mandate...the next thing will come. Where does it end? It doesn't...until there is gunfire and bloodshed and a rebirth.

There are certain lines you never cross. Forcing everyone to to take medicine is a line you don't cross. The repercussions can and will be severe, one way...or the other.

 

[oneforthebus]

Last year, on 60 Minutes I believe, an epidemiologist was being interviewed. An attractive, older, gray haired lady. The interviewer asked a question about the virus, how many will get it, etc. She smiled a grandmotherly smile and said "It's coming for all of us. We will all get it. It's just a matter of when."

Just like every one of us have gotten a cold or the flu. If you haven't gotten it, you will. Vaccines or not.

Yes you will probably get it, like the flu you have a much better chance of surviving it and/or not having serious illness and hospitalization from it if you are vaccinated. That will probably vary some with variants etc. but in general, some protection will be better than none.

 

[Sarge]

I would want to ask her what I think is a more important questions:

Why, as a trained medical professional, are you so afraid of the vaccines? What do you know we do not? Why are you willing to resign, and lose your career over something that everyone tells us is utterly safe.

I'd like her to answer those questions. She seems...really pretty smart.

She doesn't know **** that we don't know. Do you really think this nurse knows something, is willing to resign her job over it, but just can't muster the courage to tell anyone? GTFOH.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Those are good questions too. She didn't really answer them in her speech though.

No, she didn't. But she is part of what "seems" to be a very large and growing number of medical professionals being fired or willing to lose their jobs over their refusal to take the jab.

The protests I posted in Charlotte NC...100 people willing to be fired by Houston Medical...lots and lots of medical professionals refusing the jab. Why? They know more about this than you and I do. That alarms me the most. The people in the profession willing to lose what they've worked a large portion of their lives for instead of taking the vax. Powerful.

Some nurses willing to pay hefty price to not get COVID-19 vaccine

Multiple hospital systems in southeast Wisconsin have implemented mandatory vaccinations for their employees, but many employees still remain unvaccinated by choice.

www.wisn.com

Why a local nurse is refusing to follow Summa Health's COVID-19 vaccine mandate

www.msn.com

Why Nurses Are Refusing to be Vaccinated

The battle between staff members at Houston Methodist who refused to follow the mandate to get vaccinated and their employer is still blazing. More than 100 employees quit or were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, and the lines have been drawn as protestors support the...

www.newsmax.com

Many hospital workers nationwide remain unvaccinated despite the fact they were first in line to be eligible for COVID-19 vaccinations. In a recent USA Today survey, some hospitals reported that only half their staff that includes doctors and nurses, along with support workers, are fully vaccinated.

Many health care workers are refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine

"We have a lot more work to do to get health care workers to take the vaccine," one expert said of worker resistance to shots.

www.cbsnews.com

COVID: Why some doctors and nurses hesitate to get vaccinated | DW | 07.01.2021

The coronavirus vaccine is seen as the only way to combat the pandemic. Medical and nursing staff are at high risk of contracting and spreading the disease. So why do many of them in Germany not want to get vaccinated?

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More than 50% of nurses reluctant ​

Skepticism is not uncommon among medical staff in Germany. A survey conducted by the "German Society for Internal Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DGIIN) and the "German Interdisciplinary Association for Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DIVI) back in December last year showed that only 73% of doctors, and just under 50% of nurses, in Germany want to be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

She doesn't know **** that we don't know. Do you really think this nurse knows something, is willing to resign her job over it, but just can't muster the courage to tell anyone? GTFOH.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying she's afraid of saying something. Sorry if it read that way. She's medically trained. Let me repeat that...medically trained. She REFUSES to take the shot. Why? She knows more about vaccines than you, me or anyone on this board except maybe Zona. Why?

Think about it. She got through high school. Went to nursing school. Worked to create this career. And is willing to lose it ALL...possibly 25-30 years of investment, $$, dedication...because of a substantial concern over the shot.

I'd like to know why.

 

[Sarge]

You misunderstand. I'm not saying she's afraid of saying something. Sorry if it read that way. She's medically trained. Let me repeat that...medically trained. She REFUSES to take the shot. Why? She knows more about vaccines than you, me or anyone on this board except maybe Zona. Why?

Think about it. She got through high school. Went to nursing school. Worked to create this career. And is willing to lose it ALL...possibly 25-30 years of investment, $$, dedication...because of a substantial concern over the shot.

I'd like to know why.

My daughter is an RN. She is medically trained. Let me repeat that...medically trained. And you know what she knows about vaccines? How much to give, side effects, and drug interactions. Period. She is not an epidemiologist or a virologist. If there was something devious with this vaccine, I can assure you, I would know. My baby girl loves me THAT much.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

My daughter is an RN. She is medically trained. Let me repeat that...medically trained. And you know what she knows about vaccines? How much to give, side effects, and drug interactions. Period. She is not an epidemiologist or a virologist. If there was something devious with this vaccine, I can assure you, I would know. My baby girl loves me THAT much.

I'm not saying there is something devious with the vaccines.

But there is something about them that some % of the medical community is willing to throw it all away for. I'd really like to know why. I'd grab popcorn and sit down and watch hours and hour and hours of a documentary with someone interviewing them all.

Not saying they are right, but to be willing to give up everything you have worked for regarding your career is powerful, do you not agree?

 

[oneforthebus]

I'm not saying there is something devious with the vaccines.

But there is something about them that some % of the medical community is willing to throw it all away for. I'd really like to know why. I'd grab popcorn and sit down and watch hours and hour and hours of a documentary with someone interviewing them all.

Not saying they are right, but to be willing to give up everything you have worked for regarding your career is powerful, do you not agree?

I would guess a large chunk of them already had covid and don't feel they need the vaccine, and that opinion is supported by data. Obviously all medical professionals know that adverse events can happen with any medical treatment.

I'm sure some portion of them don't feel they should be forced to get any vaccines (a good portion refuse tried and true flu vaccines every year) and that is something I understand.

If they have some deep dark knowledge of how dangerous the vaccines are that they aren't sharing with the rest of us, I'd say that's pretty irresponsible of them.

 

[Confluence]

More like Karen Kim.

Go **** yourself.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I would guess a large chunk of them already had covid and don't feel they need the vaccine, and that opinion is supported by data. Obviously all medical professionals know that adverse events can happen with any medical treatment.

I'm sure some portion of them don't feel they should be forced to get any vaccines (a good portion refuse tried and true flu vaccines every year) and that is something I understand.

If they have some deep dark knowledge of how dangerous the vaccines are that they aren't sharing with the rest of us, I'd say that's pretty irresponsible of them.

You're guessing a lot in that post.

I'm guessing in mine.

Data shows a healthy % of medically trained professionals are willing to give up a lifetime of work v take the vaccine.

Inquiring minds wanna know.

 

[Sarge]

I'm not saying there is something devious with the vaccines.

But there is something about them that some % of the medical community is willing to throw it all away for. I'd really like to know why. I'd grab popcorn and sit down and watch hours and hour and hours of a documentary with someone interviewing them all.

Not saying they are right, but to be willing to give up everything you have worked for regarding your career is powerful, do you not agree?

No, I don't agree. It is conspiracy theory nonsense. They read the same **** we all do. They might be medical professionals, but they are human. They read the same stuff you do, watch the same videos, see the same government contradictions. And a fair amount, I would say, are purely political. It's enough to make anyone skeptical. Well, except maybe Trog. All of that said, if you are willing to throw away all you've worked for over this, sounds like a you problem. If that is what you think you need to do, have at it.

Like I said, I think forced vaccinations are horseshit. Everyone has to make their own choice. There may or may not be consequences to that choice. You have to live with what you decide, just like the rest of us.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No, I don't agree. It is conspiracy theory nonsense. They read the same **** we all do. They might be medical professionals, but they are human. They read the same stuff you do, watch the same videos, see the same government contradictions. And a fair amount, I would say, are purely political. It's enough to make anyone skeptical. Well, except maybe Trog. All of that said, if you are willing to throw away all you've worked for over this, sounds like a you problem. If that is what you think you need to do, have at it.

Like I said, I think forced vaccinations are horseshit. Everyone has to make their own choice. There may or may not be consequences to that choice. You have to live with what you decide, just like the rest of us.

You think 10-20-30% of nurses, some % of doctors willing to walk away from their professions is based on conspiracy theories??

 

[Confluence]

Sarge,
Can anyone answer "what happened to the pre-clinical, phase 1 and phase 2 studies" for any of the approved Covid vaccines?

 

[oneforthebus]

You're guessing a lot in that post.

I'm guessing in mine.

Data shows a healthy % of medically trained professionals are willing to give up a lifetime of work v take the vaccine.

Inquiring minds wanna know.

We'll see how many actually do when push comes to shove. There are medically trained professionals who have political viewpoints btw. I'm pretty sure the SCOTUS has ruled that flu vaccine mandates are constitutional barring religious or medical exemptions but it's an untested question with these. Now that the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved the legal case is probably weaker. In terms of law, public health does carry some weight.

 

[Sarge]

If I grow a third testicle because of this vaccine, I'm not going to blame anyone. It was my choice to take it. I didn't have to.

 

[Sarge]

Sarge,
Can anyone answer "what happened to the pre-clinical, phase 1 and phase 2 studies" for any of the approved Covid vaccines?

Hell, I don't know. I'm not privy to that data. You'd have to ask the folks doing the study.