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Covid Vaccine

A mere four days ago, Lindsey Graham mocked House Democrats for wearing masks.

At least he pulled his head out of Trump's *** long enough to get inoculated.

 
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From the past four days(!) around the NFL. Thankfully, the Steelers are supposedly among the highest % vaccinated in the league. Hope they stay clear of this.


Miami Dolphins Adam Shaheen, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Cethan Carter, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Mike Gesicki, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Julien Davenport, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Isaac Whitney, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Justin Pugh, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals KeeSean Johnson, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Andy Isabella, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rodney Hudson, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Kelvin Beachum, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Bud Dupree, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Curtis Samuel, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Chris Miller, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Matt Ioannidis, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Rysen John, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Theo Riddick, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Jalen Richard, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Kansas City Chiefs Darwin Thompson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Ike Boettger, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson, QB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Gus Edwards, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Dante Fowler Jr., DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rico Gafford, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Shaq Calhoun, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jaquiski Tartt, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jauan Jennings, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Stephen Sullivan, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Lano Hill, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Alex Singleton, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Matt Leo, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Andrew Adams, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Chris Jones, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Detroit Lions Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Larnel Coleman, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Xavier Rhodes, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts T.J. Carrie, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Najee Toran, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Tyrone Swoopes, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Cornelius Lucas, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Los Angeles Chargers Justin Jackson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Buddy Howell, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Geron Christian Sr., T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Willie Wright, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Kobe Jones, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons John Atkins, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Emmanuel Moseley, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Jets George Fant, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Taywan Taylor, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Lee Smith, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Joshua Kalu, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Blake Martinez, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Frankie Luvu, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
 
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Tibs said:
From the past four days(!), around the NFL. Thankfully, the Steelers are supposedly among the highest % vaccinated in the league. Hope they stay clear of this.


Miami Dolphins Adam Shaheen, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Cethan Carter, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Mike Gesicki, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Julien Davenport, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Isaac Whitney, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Justin Pugh, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals KeeSean Johnson, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Andy Isabella, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rodney Hudson, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Kelvin Beachum, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Bud Dupree, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Curtis Samuel, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Chris Miller, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Matt Ioannidis, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Rysen John, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Theo Riddick, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Jalen Richard, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Kansas City Chiefs Darwin Thompson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Ike Boettger, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson, QB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Gus Edwards, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Dante Fowler Jr., DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rico Gafford, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Shaq Calhoun, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jaquiski Tartt, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jauan Jennings, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Stephen Sullivan, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Lano Hill, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Alex Singleton, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Matt Leo, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Andrew Adams, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Chris Jones, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Detroit Lions Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Larnel Coleman, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Xavier Rhodes, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts T.J. Carrie, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Najee Toran, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Tyrone Swoopes, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Cornelius Lucas, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Los Angeles Chargers Justin Jackson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Buddy Howell, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Geron Christian Sr., T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Willie Wright, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Kobe Jones, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons John Atkins, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Emmanuel Moseley, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Jets George Fant, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Taywan Taylor, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Lee Smith, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Joshua Kalu, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Blake Martinez, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Frankie Luvu, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
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Are all of those players unvaccinated? Be interesting to know.
 
Sarge said:
Are all of those players unvaccinated? Be interesting to know.
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Don't know about that. What we do know is the Delta variant has been infecting vaccinated folks as well, at a much higher rate than previously thought. The data does seem to show the vaccine will significantly mitigate symptoms. But those unvaccinated, whoever they are and however many there may be, are in danger from this virus, as growing hospitalization numbers show.

The point, I suppose, is the numbers are growing, the virus is still very much active and spreading. At a time and point when we had hoped we'd be clear of this type of spread.

Loolapalooza festival this past weekend seems destined to be another major spreader event.

I don't have any answers, like Tim & Steeltime evidently do. I'm just raising questions about a seemingly endless pandemic that will be with us for a while. I hope it doesn't affect the Steelers season. And on a personal note, hope everyone here remains safe & healthy. There may be a lot of animosity between us, but I wish everyone well.

 
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COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States

We reviewed the websites and other official state sources for all 50 states and D.C. to see which are providing data on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths, how regularly, and …
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While COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19 and also reduce the likelihood of mild or asymptomatic infection, a small share of fully vaccinated individuals do become infected, and some become hospitalized or have died. These rare occurrences are known as “breakthrough cases” which are to be expected, and historically known to occur with other vaccines as none is 100% effective.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently monitors hospitalizations and deaths, from any cause, among fully vaccinated individuals with COVID-19, but not breakthrough infections, which it stopped monitoring as of May 1. CDC presents this data in aggregate at the national level but not by state, and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them.

We therefore reviewed the websites and other official state sources for all 50 states and D.C. to see which are providing data on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths, how regularly, and what those data may tell us. We only used data from official state sources (we did not include data available only in news media reports, for example). Where a state did not provide comparable data on overall COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, or deaths reported over the period in which it captured breakthrough events, we obtained data on cases and deaths from the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard and on hospitalizations from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services for the appropriate period (see methods for more detail).

Importantly, not all hospitalizations and deaths of those fully vaccinated and diagnosed with COVID-19 are due to COVID-19 or have a known cause at the time of reporting. The CDC reports that as of July 19, of 5,601 hospitalized breakthrough cases, 27% were asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 and of 1,141 fatal cases, 26% were asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. States differ in whether they provide this detail. DC, for example, reports that as of July 11, 50% of hospitalized breakthrough cases were due to COVID-19, 19% were not, and 31% were of unknown reason. However, few states made these distinctions. Where they did, we only included breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID-19. In other cases, some of these breakthrough events may be due to causes other than COVID-19.

Overall, we find that:

  • Half of states (25) report some data on COVID-19 breakthrough events (see Table 1). Twenty-four provide data on breakthrough cases, 19 on hospitalizations and on deaths.
  • Fifteen of these states regularly update these data, often on a weekly basis. The rest use a different frequency, have one-time reports, have stopped updating, or have an unclear reporting frequency.
  • The data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (see Figure 1). The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is well below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.29% in Alaska.
    • The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
    • The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
  • Almost all (more than 9 in 10) COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have occurred among people who are unvaccinated or not yet fully vaccinated, in those states reporting breakthrough data (see Figure 2).
    • The reported share of COVID-19 cases among those not fully vaccinated ranged from 94.1% in Arizona to 99.85% Connecticut.
    • The share of hospitalizations among those with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from in 95.02% in Alaska to 99.93% in New Jersey. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
    • The share of deaths among people with COVID-19 who are not fully vaccinated ranged from to 96.91% in Montana to 99.91% in New Jersey. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
Implications
While information on breakthrough events is still limited and incomplete, this analysis of available state-level data indicates that COVID-19 breakthrough cases, and especially hospitalizations and deaths, among those who are fully vaccinated are rare occurrences in the United States. Moreover, this data indicate the vast majority of reported COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in U.S. are among those who are unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated. These findings echo the abundance of data demonstrating the effectiveness of currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines. Moving forward, particularly as the more transmissible Delta variant is now the dominant strain of COVID-19 circulating in the U.S., more robust state-level data will help to monitor ongoing vaccine effectiveness and inform discussions about booster vaccinations.
 
oneforthebus said:
Once again with the antibodies lol. As stated to you numerous times but apparently can't get through your thick head, antibodies are only one component of immunity. T-cells, and B-cells are also strongly protective. Antibody levels vary greatly among people who have been infected, both from day one of antibody production and over time. Yet reinfection among those who have been infected, as far as any available data is concerned, is rare. A year and a half after this whole thing started they remain rare.

So why would anyone need to test antibody levels, which would tell them exactly nothing about immunity? Antibody tests are good for only one thing...to tell you if you've ever had covid before. And they aren't even all that accurate at that. All you would actually need is proof of a positive covid test. No more inconvenient than needing proof of vaccination, right?
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Anyone know if there is a test available that can ID the available T and B cells? In January 2020 I had all the symptoms of Covid but this was before the volcano erupted. A year and two months later I had the antibody test. It came back as negative...No indication of having Covid antibodies. My doctor told me that it was not an accurate indicator as to if I ever had Covid. He mentioned the T cells and I also recalled learning about them in a long ago biology class but unfortunately I did not think to ask if there was a test for T cells.
 
JMM said:
Anyone know if there is a test available that can ID the available T and B cells? In January 2020 I had all the symptoms of Covid but this was before the volcano erupted. A year and two months later I had the antibody test. It came back as negative...No indication of having Covid antibodies. My doctor told me that it was not an accurate indicator as to if I ever had Covid. He mentioned the T cells and I also recalled learning about them in a long ago biology class but unfortunately I did not think to ask if there was a test for T cells.
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I know there is a test approved by the FDA by I don't know who has it or how hard it is to get one (or how expensive). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-021-00920-9
 
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Anyone know if there is a test available that can ID the available T and B cells? In January 2020 I had all the symptoms of Covid but this was before the volcano erupted. A year and two months later I had the antibody test. It came back as negative...No indication of having Covid antibodies. My doctor told me that it was not an accurate indicator as to if I ever had Covid. He mentioned the T cells and I also recalled learning about them in a long ago biology class but unfortunately I did not think to ask if there was a test for T cells.
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My doc told me not to take that ****. He was like it won’t prove anything. Lol. I took it anyways. It was free to healthcare workers so I was like **** it.
 
Tibs said:
From the past four days(!) around the NFL. Thankfully, the Steelers are supposedly among the highest % vaccinated in the league. Hope they stay clear of this.


Miami Dolphins Adam Shaheen, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Cethan Carter, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Mike Gesicki, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Julien Davenport, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Isaac Whitney, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Justin Pugh, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals KeeSean Johnson, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Andy Isabella, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rodney Hudson, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Kelvin Beachum, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Bud Dupree, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Curtis Samuel, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Chris Miller, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Matt Ioannidis, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Rysen John, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Theo Riddick, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Las Vegas Raiders Jalen Richard, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Kansas City Chiefs Darwin Thompson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Dion Dawkins, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Buffalo Bills Ike Boettger, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson, QB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Baltimore Ravens Gus Edwards, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Dante Fowler Jr., DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Rico Gafford, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Arizona Cardinals Shaq Calhoun, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jaquiski Tartt, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Jauan Jennings, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Stephen Sullivan, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Lano Hill, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Alex Singleton, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Matt Leo, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Philadelphia Eagles Andrew Adams, S - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Tennessee Titans Chris Jones, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Detroit Lions Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Miami Dolphins Larnel Coleman, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Xavier Rhodes, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Indianapolis Colts T.J. Carrie, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Najee Toran, G - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Tyrone Swoopes, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Washington Football Team Cornelius Lucas, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Los Angeles Chargers Justin Jackson, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Buddy Howell, RB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Geron Christian Sr., T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Willie Wright, C - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Kobe Jones, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons John Atkins, DT - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
San Francisco 49ers Emmanuel Moseley, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Jets George Fant, T - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Houston Texans Taywan Taylor, WR - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Atlanta Falcons Lee Smith, TE - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Joshua Kalu, CB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
New York Giants Blake Martinez, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
Carolina Panthers Frankie Luvu, LB - reserve/non football injury COVID-19
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Flog may pull the purple head off
 
Tibs said:
Don't know about that. What we do know is the Delta variant has been infecting vaccinated folks as well, at a much higher rate than previously thought. The data does seem to show the vaccine will significantly mitigate symptoms. But those unvaccinated, whoever they are and however many there may be, are in danger from this virus, as growing hospitalization numbers show.

The point, I suppose, is the numbers are growing, the virus is still very much active and spreading. At a time and point when we had hoped we'd be clear of this type of spread.

Loolapalooza festival this past weekend seems destined to be another major spreader event.

I don't have any answers, like Tim & Steeltime evidently do. I'm just raising questions about a seemingly endless pandemic that will be with us for a while. I hope it doesn't affect the Steelers season. And on a personal note, hope everyone here remains safe & healthy. There may be a lot of animosity between us, but I wish everyone well.

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tHe SaMe LoLlApAlOoZa ThAt LoRi LiGhTfOoT wErE bE aT?

stop being raysiss, Tibs.
 
Mexico needs to shut up and pay for the wall.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Good....Lord. Do you just wake up every day, like Dumb and Dumber, and ask yourself how you can top your stupidity from the day before?

Maine, as one example, estimates that more than half of their 12-19 year old have had COVID. That aligns with CDC reporting that nearly half of all Americans have had COVID. To ignore this natural immunity is stupid, foolish, and malpractice.

Let's talk practical. My son is about to go to an SEC school. Their requirements:
  • Provide proof of the jab
  • Provide proof of prior COVID infection within 90 days (wayyyy too short, but ok)
  • Provide a clean PCR test conducted within 10 days of campus arrival
That's it, and that's smart. And practical.

Students can provide proof of having had COVID easily. Christ, my sons' are in their patient portals. In 60 seconds I can log in, print it out. Soooooooo hard.

Get an antibody test. I got rapid-tested 2 weeks ago for COVID. When I was there, I asked if I could get the antibody test. Nurse said sure, I put the script in your profile, come back any time, WALK IN, get it done, takes minutes. It's as simple as getting the swab. Sooooooooo hard.

None of those options is any more difficult than going and getting an untested vaccine injected into your body. Not an ounce more difficult.
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Uh-huh. So why do you suppose the vaccination doesn’t have to be within 90 days, only the infection?
 
oneforthebus said:
Holy logical fallacies Batman.
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From what I've seen from anti-vaxers & anti-maskers, the analogy is spot on. At the root of it all is the belief the world revolves around you, and only you. A refusal - or inability - to see or accept the bigger picture.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
The following is an anecdote, but true and local.

Last night I'm standing outside grilling. My neighbor is walking with her family. They continue, but she comes by to talk while I grill. She is a wicked smart woman, who got her masters and did her thesis on something to do with Type II diabetes. Did a bunch of epidemiology stuff in school.

She is a Bioinformatics Scientist at NIH. Been there 19 years. She's the one who turned me on to Novavax. She's now against the vaxes at all, says we don't need them. Take that for what it is worth.

Anywho....we are talking COVID and vaccines and the underreported VAERS stuff (yes, while I'm grilling). And she says "you know we lost someone to the vax in our neighborhood?" I was like woah, no, didn't know.

3 doors from her in our neighborhood lives a couple (around the corner from me). 10 years ago, the husband was diagnosed with some serious heart issues and they told him, some day you will have a heart attack and die. Irreparable issue. But he lived for 10 years. Because of the condition, his doc recommended he get the jab. THAT afternoon, his left arm started to go numb. That's the arm he got the shot in, so they didn't think it had anything to do with his heart. Next day, same thing. Late that night, they think something is seriously wrong and go to the hospital. He never came home. The left arm pain was his heart, not pain from the jab. He died the next day of 100% heart failure.

Guy lived for 10 years on a faulty ticker. Gets the jab, dead within 3 days from heart failure.

Seems to me, given we know the vaxes cause heart related issues, his docs were wrong in suggesting he get the jab.

I know, some will say there's no established cause and effect. Yeah. Believe that.
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So when someone with a comorbidity gets Covid and dies, it’s the comorbidity, but when someone with a comorbidity gets the vaccine and dies, it’s the vaccine?
 
Troglodyte said:
So when someone with a comorbidity gets Covid and dies, it’s the comorbidity, but when someone with a comorbidity gets the vaccine and dies, it’s the vaccine?
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Your ability - and willingness - to seek out rational thought from this group is highly commendable. Kudos to you.
 
Tibs said:
From what I've seen from anti-vaxers & anti-maskers, the analogy is spot on. At the root of it all is the belief the world revolves around you, and only you. A refusal to see or accept the bigger picture.
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I'm sorry you see it as that simplistic. There are legitimate concerns with possible adverse effects from the vaccines, the speed with which they were developed, the low death rate of covid in general, and especially in young healthy people, the fact that the vaccines aren't a panacea and appear to be even less so in recent days, the fact that there is no data that shows any significant additional benefit to those who have already been infected, the fact that children are at almost zero risk of serious complications or death from covid...etc. etc. I can go on...

I am on balance pro-vax and I want people to get vaxxed, but if you dismiss legitimate concerns as purely ignorance or selfishness you won't convince anyone of anything. If you (the collective you) lie to people about the science as a method of social engineering, you can't get people to trust you when you are telling the truth.
 
Troglodyte said:
Uh-huh. So why do you suppose the vaccination doesn’t have to be within 90 days, only the infection?
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Because they don't actually know and they are hedging their bets. Eventually I suspect they are going to require boosters for the vaccines because it appears immunity from them may be waning. So far I have seen no studies that show reinfection is more common after previous infection than it is after vaccination. If you have one post it. I'd like to see it. If no one's studying it in a side by side comparison there's no way to know either way. But as far as the data we do have now, infection after either remains rare. I can only assume if there were huge numbers of people getting reinfected we'd be hearing about it. Would be a great advertisement for the vaccines.
 
oneforthebus said:
I'm sorry you see it as that simplistic. There are legitimate concerns with possible adverse effects from the vaccines, the speed with which they were developed, the low death rate of covid in general, and especially in young healthy people, the fact that the vaccines aren't a panacea and appear to be even less so in recent days, the fact that there is no data that shows any significant additional benefit to those who have already been infected, the fact that children are at almost zero risk of serious complications or death from covid...etc. etc. I can go on...

I am on balance pro-vax and I want people to get vaxxed, but if you dismiss legitimate concerns as purely ignorance or selfishness you won't convince anyone of anything. If you (the collective you) lie to people about the science as a method of social engineering, you can't get people to trust you when you are telling the truth.
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Dog damn OFTB. We disagree so much but damn your too nice.

edit. In case that wasn’t clear, that was a compliment
 
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