Update on cap for 2021

[Atlsteelers]

Adam Schefter just tweeted... “ NFL informed teams today the salary cap this season will be a minimum of $180 million.”

I personally think it could come in at $185 million when it’s all said and done.

 

[SteelerSask2]

How much more trimming has to happen to get to 180m? I looked at a site and it said 30, but i thought it was lower after Pouncey and Macdonald.

 

[Stryker]

We currently sit at $19.238M over the cap with a soft $180M floor.

Cutting Ben would get us compliant...

I was hoping the cap would push up to $200M if they finalize this TV deal this month, but knowing the NFL, they will wait until after the start of the new year to finalize the TV deal and maximize profits for teams for one season. If the NFLPA has any balls, they will strike to get a new deal done with the new revenue, if the NFL takes this option, which to me seems like the most Rogery Goodell thing to do...

 

[slashsteel]

They should be able to proceed with getting **** done now right? No more sitting on their *** playing pick-a-stick.

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[Stryker]

They should be able to proceed with getting **** done now right? No more sitting on their *** playing pick-a-stick.

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There is zero revenue for the Steelers to make any moves. -$19M that disappears if the cap is where it was last year, but it's still a floor and not a solid cap.

Saying the floor is up $5M than what was agreed upon really doesn't change the fact that the Steelers can do nothing until the final cap is set. If they said the floor would be $190M, which is $10 under last year, that would have started restructures.

It might be like last year again where the league has to push back the start of the season, to agree on a cap number, then it has the Steelers scrambling to get compliant with zero chance of singing priority FAs.

This year's FA is going to be a mess for the Steelers, as I feared...

 

[black and gold apex]

When you see how bad our cap is maybe the front office should take some heat with some of the deals and decisions they have made.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

This year's FA is going to be a mess for the Steelers, as I feared...

The Steelers aren't alone in this, it will be a mess for a lot of teams.

 

[TDX27]

Ben isn't getting cut. They may convince him to retire based on how the team will operate next year but he won't be cut. If he is the one that didn't like the motion and some of the things Canada liked, he will have a hard time doing it full time this year. I still think he comes back for at least one more year. If we have a line and can run reasonably well in 2021 with changes they make, Ben will look amazing. He really wasn't as nearly as bad as some on here or in the media made him out to be in 2020. Dude was still able to sling it all over the field. He needs to work on his fitness for his knees and get back to basics, his mechanics, during this offseason. If he does that, he will get us right back to the playoffs.

 

[diver]

When you see how bad our cap is maybe the front office should take some heat with some of the deals and decisions they have made.

What player or players would you not have paid? It is easy to say that and get likes, but what decisions did they make in this regard that you would not have?

The reason a team like Cleveland is in good shape is because, among other things, the QBs real big contract hasn't hit yet.

What would be cool is if the Steelers could get some good play out of Rudolf at a much lower contract hit and flesh out a team around him.

 

[Coryea]

When you see how bad our cap is maybe the front office should take some heat with some of the deals and decisions they have made.

No one knew there was going to be a pandemic, that is what killed our cap, if there was no pandemic, the NFL cap is probably 210 million +

 

[Hines57]

The Steelers have been pushing money forward into future cap years for a good while now. That the pandemic ****** up league revenue is no one's fault, well maybe China's.

We're officially a team in transition with all of our FAs and Ben possibly retiring.

 

[madinsomniac]

No one knew there was going to be a pandemic, that is what killed our cap, if there was no pandemic, the NFL cap is probably 210 million +

Exactly... the front office is superb with the cap....

The cap has exceeded increase projections every year since 2011... increasing at least ten million every season as it was planned... Steelers build their contracts to be renegotiated...

The only thing that happened this year was the pandemic trimmed attendance revenues down... attendance is virtually irrelevant in the nfl... it makes up less than 20% of the cap...

People projected the cap with no attendance revenue... there was a little so its not as bad as expected....

Extend Ben... extend the two corners... guarantee the two des their money this season and you are golden....

 

[Atlsteelers]

They should be able to proceed with getting **** done now right? No more sitting on their *** playing pick-a-stick.

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I hear ya but still have time. Everything will hopefully work out in the next 3-4 weeks. After listening to the whole interview it seems that Colbert has been operating in worse case from a cap perspective which is honestly the most prudent thing to do. Hopefully with the news today things will start moving on the Ben contract front. I honestly think he will be back for one last go at it and bye them one more season for the inevitable. Even a Ben at the end of his career is better than anyone we have on the roster or could pick up IMO.

 

[slashsteel]

There is zero revenue for the Steelers to make any moves. -$19M that disappears if the cap is where it was last year, but it's still a floor and not a solid cap.

Saying the floor is up $5M than what was agreed upon really doesn't change the fact that the Steelers can do nothing until the final cap is set. If they said the floor would be $190M, which is $10 under last year, that would have started restructures.

It might be like last year again where the league has to push back the start of the season, to agree on a cap number, then it has the Steelers scrambling to get compliant with zero chance of singing priority FAs.

This year's FA is going to be a mess for the Steelers, as I feared...

So if I am reading this correctly there is no money available right now to adjust contracts? If that is yes why can't they just put somethings together and have an agreement in place and sign when the designated date arrives?

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[SteelerFan448]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">League exec estimated yesterday that ceiling will be $188 million. <a href="https://t.co/wQP5Zu40oR">https://t.co/wQP5Zu40oR</a></p>— Ryan O'Halloran (@ryanohalloran) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1362414482660626434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Atlsteelers]

Have a question for the capologists. If they max restructure Ben with voidable years after this year or if they cut/he retires this year does it count the same amount for this year against the cap?

 

[SteelerFan448]

Have a question for the capologists. If they max restructure Ben with voidable years after this year or if they cut/he retires this year does it count the same amount for this year against the cap?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-contract-spells-trouble-if-he-stays-or-goes/

Roethlisberger's 2021 cap number would become $26.91 million, consisting of the new $1.075 million 2021 base salary, the $12.5 million of bonus proration from the 2019 extension, the $9.75 million relating to the 2020 contract restructure and the $3.585 million of new bonus proration. $14.34 million of 2021 cap room would be gained through this maneuver. There would be a corresponding amount of dead money in 2022 because of the 2022 through 2025 contract years voiding next March.

 

[Hoot]

No one knew there was going to be a pandemic, that is what killed our cap, if there was no pandemic, the NFL cap is probably 210 million +

^this^

I remember when fans would gripe because they didn't spend up to the cap.

 

[Ike Kelly]

We currently sit at $19.238M over the cap with a soft $180M floor.

Cutting Ben would get us compliant...

I was hoping the cap would push up to $200M if they finalize this TV deal this month, but knowing the NFL, they will wait until after the start of the new year to finalize the TV deal and maximize profits for teams for one season. If the NFLPA has any balls, they will strike to get a new deal done with the new revenue, if the NFL takes this option, which to me seems like the most Rogery Goodell thing to do...

If the TV deals get done in the next 3 weeks, the underlining tone is the cap floor will be around $198-200. So all the gnashing of the teeth will five for naught. However, one of the writers opined that restructures/extension to Heyward and Tuitt would save around $7 mil. Cutting Bince would save $4 mil and even possibly extending Haden a 1-2 years would reduce his $15 mil cap hit by half. Plus however they get Ben’s contract redone so we get $14 mil in cap relief, all that gives a reduction of $31 mil in cap space. Well within the $185 figure with space to sign a couple of our FA. Folks need to put down the 180 proof before lighting a cigarette, it’s not a gloomy as the national sports media wants fans to believe.


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[slashsteel]

If the TV deals get done in the next 3 weeks, the underlining tone is the cap floor will be around $198-200. So all the gnashing of the teeth will five for naught. However, one of the writers opined that restructures/extension to Heyward and Tuitt would save around $7 mil. Cutting Bince would save $4 mil and even possibly extending Haden a 1-2 years would reduce his $15 mil cap hit by half. Plus however they get Ben’s contract redone so we get $14 mil in cap relief, all that gives a reduction of $31 mil in cap space. Well within the $185 figure with space to sign a couple of our FA. Folks need to put down the 180 proof before lighting a cigarette, it’s not a gloomy as the national sports media wants fans to believe.


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Don't want Bince cut I might be a minority there, but I like the effort he brings to the table.

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[SteelerInLebanon]

Don't want Bince cut I might be a minority there, but I like the effort he brings to the table.

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He could be cut and resigned at a lower number.

 

[Hoot]

He could be cut and resigned at a lower number.

only if he chooses to come back after being cut.

 

[SteelerSask2]

He could be cut and resigned at a lower number.

Explain this to me. They are on thebhook for 21 million and that has already been paid. There is no favour he can do for the team here other than spread the money out with another extension. Which really isn't a favour. He wants to play next year and it will cost 15-20 million beyond the 21 next year to have him play.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Explain this to me. They are on thebhook for 21 million and that has already been paid. There is no favour he can do for the team here other than spread the money out with another extension. Which really isn't a favour. He wants to play next year and it will cost 15-20 million beyond the 21 next year to have him play.

Can you explain this a little better, Bince's cap number and salary?




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[Ike Kelly]

Can you explain this a little better, Bince's cap number and salary?

Salute the nation

Bince’s cap number for 2021 is a little over $7 mil. He could agree to a pay cut, which would reduce his cap hit. If they cut him out right, they save around $4 mil with $3 mil in dead money. Cutting him and resigning would mean he would get a minimum vet salary plus a token signing bonus. Maybe $2-3 mil. In any case he will cost the vet min for 2021 plus the prorated bonus.