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So here's how you know Tomlin was out coached,

slashsteel said:
More importantly those players sat might have not come out of the gates playing like dog ****.

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In hindsight, the wrong move to sit our guys. However, the ridiculous rescheduling of our bye week(s) was also a certain factor in ensuring the rest was given.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Steelers can’t run the ball. Whose fault is that?
Steeler offense became predictable and defenses were calling out plays. Whose fault is that?
Steeler offense has been slow to start ever since Fichtner took over. Whose fault are the slow offensive starts?
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I’ll make the case our offensive line play is all of this. Now whose fault is that?? Your point is well taken and valid.
 
Steeltime said:
A lot of us were dissatisfied with Cowher's playoff record until he finally broke through and ran the table in 2005. But look at the playoff losses that irk us so much:

  • The big one - 1994 AFC Championship at home to a mediocre San Diego team. Lost 17-13. Steelers had Neil O'Donnell at QB, had the ball at the 3-yard line and failed on 4th down.
  • 1995 - lost the Super Bowl to the heavily favored Cowgirls 27-17. But the onside kick and the TD making the game 21-17, and the subsequent defensive stop giving the Steelers the ball again and a chance to take the lead but for ... another bad interception by O'Donnell.
  • 1997 - lost to Denver at home in AFC Championship game 24-21 with Kordell Stewart at QB, playing against John Elway. Should have run the ball more when pushing Denver's defense around.
  • 2001 - losing to the ******* Patsies at home in the AFC Championship game, 24-17, with Kordell Stewart at QB and against a 2nd year Brady.

Those losses stunk, but what do they have in common? Every game, the Steelers were competitive. Every game, the Steelers had ... limitations at QB. The Steelers were not routed by a mediocre QB, and not embarrassed.

Bill Cowher's failures would be deemed incredible coaching successes for Tomlin.
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Very true, however Hasting's ran the wrong way, which lead to the super bowl interception. Otherwise we had a very good Dallas ( Dynasty level ) team on the ropes.

In 1997, I think 3 interceptions and a fumble sank us. Kordell was never the answer. Had we kept O'Donnell in free agency, we win this game.

But to point, you're right. The were close all games, and none of these top teams were the Browns
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
To all the people who state that it’s on the players, they just have to play better, let me ask you this question. When would you ever fire a coach? I mean if the coach is not responsible for the level of play then why ever fire him? Serious question. Should Adam Gase have been fired by the Jets? Not his fault. The players needed to execute better.

A bad game is on the player. Repeated bad games is on the coaches.

you could argue that the steelers have the most talent of any team in the NFL. Go ahead. Name a team with more overall talent. The Chiefs defense is mediocre. Mahomes lifts that team.
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New Orleans, Tampa Bay, but Your point is well taken and not wrong.
 
Coach said:
Kordell was never the answer. Had we kept O'Donnell in free agency, we win this game.
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If I remember correctly, the rumors about Rooney being a huge Kordell fan were everywhere. I don't know if they are true or not. If so, it makes sense.
 
Ben doesn’t run. He doesn’t play action. He doesn’t QB sneak, and he’s scared to death behind this turn style in front of him.

He is a one dimensional QB and the team has done NOTHING to adapt. They still thinks he’s parking lot Ben and will make magic plays. Sorry guys...but those days are gone.
 
Coach said:
Very true, however Hasting's ran the wrong way, which lead to the super bowl interception. Otherwise we had a very good Dallas ( Dynasty level ) team on the ropes.

In 1997, I think 3 interceptions and a fumble sank us. Kordell was never the answer. Had we kept O'Donnell in free agency, we win this game.

But to point, you're right. The were close all games, and none of these top teams were the Browns
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I'll tell you something about Cowher later into his career....he was never a "one and done" in the playoffs. In his last 6 years he went 7-3 in the playoffs and never kicked in the first round. Tomlin is 3-5 in the last 7 years in the playoffs with 3 "one and dones" and multiple blow outs.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
I'll tell you something about Cowher later into his career....he was never a "one and done" in the playoffs. In his last 6 years he went 7-3 in the playoffs and never kicked in the first round. Tomlin is 3-5 in the last 7 years in the playoffs with 3 "one and dones" and multiple blow outs.
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Yep. Cowher won playoff games with Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell at QB. After the team got a great QB - Roethlisberger - his teams were 34-14 regular season, 5-1 in the playoffs.

Does any sentient being believe Mike ******* Tomlin could win playoff games with Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart at QB?? Jesus, he would not sniff the playoffs and that stupid "never had a losing season" bullshit would be long gone.
 
Steeltime said:
A lot of us were dissatisfied with Cowher's playoff record until he finally broke through and ran the table in 2005. But look at the playoff losses that irk us so much:

  • The big one - 1994 AFC Championship at home to a mediocre San Diego team. Lost 17-13. Steelers had Neil O'Donnell at QB, had the ball at the 3-yard line and failed on 4th down.
  • 1995 - lost the Super Bowl to the heavily favored Cowgirls 27-17. But the onside kick and the TD making the game 21-17, and the subsequent defensive stop giving the Steelers the ball again and a chance to take the lead but for ... another bad interception by O'Donnell.
  • 1997 - lost to Denver at home in AFC Championship game 24-21 with Kordell Stewart at QB, playing against John Elway. Should have run the ball more when pushing Denver's defense around.
  • 2001 - losing to the ******* Patsies at home in the AFC Championship game, 24-17, with Kordell Stewart at QB and against a 2nd year Brady.

Those losses stunk, but what do they have in common? Every game, the Steelers were competitive. Every game, the Steelers had ... limitations at QB. The Steelers were not routed by a mediocre QB, and not embarrassed.

Bill Cowher's failures would be deemed incredible coaching successes for Tomlin.
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That 1994 San Diego team being mediocre was all a media creation because the line. That team was anything but mediocre, they played in a tougher division than us, saw Montana and Elway twice each, we had a 2 win Houston team and a 3 win Cincy team. San Diego also had the #9th defense in the NFL and #5 offense.
 
Steeltime said:
Yep. Cowher won playoff games with Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell at QB. After the team got a great QB - Roethlisberger - his teams were 34-14 regular season, 5-1 in the playoffs.

Does any sentient being believe Mike ******* Tomlin could win playoff games with Mike Tomczak and Kordell Stewart at QB?? Jesus, he would not sniff the playoffs and that stupid "never had a losing season" bullshit would be long gone.
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Cowher coached 3 different QB's to multiple AFCCG each, two with Neil, two with Kordell, two with Ben, how many coaches can say that, I'm guessing none.
 
When you lose the turnover battle 5-0, its hard to evaluate the coaching battle. Not sure the Browns were well coached or were the recipients of gift turnovers.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Look for media Ben bashing in the near future. The media loves Tomlin and they know somebody must be blamed. They will throw Ben under the bus to absolve Tomlin.
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I think the media knows Ben is at the end. They'll talk about his career highlights and be careful what you wish for without him or it's time for the Steelers to move on because his cap hit is not worth nearly as much as his play. Tomlin is finally starting to get some seriously heat from the local media and they're at least five years too late.
 
Cowher was the one in love with Kordell. At one time he defended Kordell and said as long as he was the coach, Kordell would be his QB.

Cowher seemed to think you didn't really need a QB. Once a real QB was pushed on him, he got his only Lombardi, although he'd had much better overall teams. Then Ben gets his face rearranged on the motorcycle, I think Cowher's wife passed away that same year, and Bill was done.

I'd trade our entire coaching staff for any other in the league at this point.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I think the media knows Ben is at the end. They'll talk about his career highlights and be careful what you wish for without him or it's time for the Steelers to move on because his cap hit is not worth nearly as much as his play. Tomlin is finally starting to get some seriously heat from the local media and they're at least five years too late.
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I can't remember which show on 93.7 it was, but they said Ben needs to retire, and both coordinators need fired, they need major change, but nothing about Tomlin.
 
Punxsutawney said:
Execution counts, but when the consistency of it is an issue year after ******* year, it's 100% on the coach.

I'm getting to point of questioning why I should care about the Steelers for as long as Tomlin remains the coach.

What's the point when you know with near certainty that the bed is eventually going to be **** in before the season even starts?

I feel so ******* stupid for allowing myself to get the slightest bit excited after the 11-0, as I should have known better.
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I have coined them "Fools Gold".
 
Coryea said:
I can't remember which show on 93.7 it was, but they said Ben needs to retire, and both coordinators need fired, they need major change, but nothing about Tomlin.
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It's simply because they know the Steelers aren't going to fire them so they're not wasting their time with it. They need to talk about it because this team has been disappointing for too long.
 
True but man they go to far, mid season blaming Ben because the running game didn't work and blaming Ben for playing time of WRs.
SteelerFan448 said:
It's simply because they know the Steelers aren't going to fire them so they're not wasting their time with it. They need to talk about it because this team has been disappointing for too long.
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SteelerFan448 said:
It's simply because they know the Steelers aren't going to fire them so they're not wasting their time with it. They need to talk about it because this team has been disappointing for too long.
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Shades will be back although 93.7 was saying this is the last year on his contract. If they give him an extension before the season, they're nuts. But then I said that the last time they gave him an extension.
I don't know the contract status of Fichtner and Butler but if they are still under contract I say they will be back. Cowher went through coordinators like I change socks but they either got hired away or fired because they were idiots (Gilbride, Sherman). Under Shades the team simply has not fired coordinators and coaches, they just let their contracts run out.
 
AggieSteel said:
It’s okay if Ben and Pouncey leave, guys. We’ve literally never won a Super Bowl with that pair. The sun will come up tomorrow. Priority #1 is move on from Tomlin. And Ben should be right behind him.

But for the love of god do NOT promote Butler. He has already reached his Peter Principle as DC. He is a LB coach. He is a disaster of a DC covered up by like 12 first round talents all over the defense at every position group. There is a reason nobody has ever tried to hire away Butler or Fichtner. They have been over promoted to begin with. No. We start over with Saleh or Bieniemy


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Saleh or Bieniemy? You mean the two “hottest” coaching candidates thag have interviewed with every team looking for a head coach, but neither have been hired? Saleh was Who Detroit so badly wanted, and they couldn’t wait to move him along. Same with the other. Granted, Detroit is not who you’d typically look towards for football knowledge, but they usually make that “big ticket grab,” and watch it blow up in their faces. These two have had awful interviews. From what’s being said around here, and elsewhere, they make Russ Grimm’s interview the gold standard.
 
bermudasteel said:
Common sense, bro. Don't add it to the thread.
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Hey bro, was it commonly sensical to:

1) Punt the ball from the Cleveland 38 yard line when they were already down by 4 touchdowns, after actually putting a decent drive together for the first time all game? To net 28 yards in field position?
2) Go for 2 when trailing by 19?
3) Not go for 2 when trailing by 13?
4) Punt the ball on 4th-and-1 near midfield and piss away all the momentum they had been building in the third quarter? To net 34 yards in field position?
 
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