I thought we reached for Bush myself...
Spillane and Bush. An eight-game statistical comparison.
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To be fair, the same case can be made for you hating on Spillane so much. What are you seeing that shows he's so terrible? He's absolutely on Vince's level if not slightly more rounded as a player.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Avery might be the slowest of all the ILB so I don't think he's the savior there.
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Speed kills. What is Haden's 40 yard dash time? He's among the slower corners on the team, at a position where it matters the most. He's also our best corner. Teams are NOT running outside on us often.
While I do think speed is important, and MLB so are smarts & instincts and in coverage so is height and long arms. Spillane > Bush in these departments.
I did not say one is better than the other, just listing the data which has some panties in a wad.
Which departments? Bush is shorter with shorter arms Neither ware assets in coverage. Spillane is clearly better here. No debate on " those " departments. Who has Bush shut down in coverage? TE's are too tall for him, and WR's, well that's a bad match up. Give me names and games to reference please. Until then Denver's TE destroyed him. That insurance policy you refer to might happen once a year and I think Spillane did just fine vs Lamar Jackson. As I pointed out, he's a more reliable tackler according to the data.
While I do think speed is important, and MLB so are smarts & instincts and in coverage so is height and long arms. Spillane > Bush in these departments.
I did not say one is better than the other, just listing the data which has some panties in a wad.
Which departments? Bush is shorter with shorter arms Neither ware assets in coverage. Spillane is clearly better here. No debate on " those " departments. Who has Bush shut down in coverage? TE's are too tall for him, and WR's, well that's a bad match up. Give me names and games to reference please. Until then Denver's TE destroyed him. That insurance policy you refer to might happen once a year and I think Spillane did just fine vs Lamar Jackson. As I pointed out, he's a more reliable tackler according to the data.
Not me, I don't even try to assume I'm an analytical poster. I see something, do a little research and then present what I think it means to other posters who are way better at the analytics to see what they have to say. The thing with the guys I ask questions of is that they don't try to push an agenda.
Nobody on this board posts quite the way you do Coach.
I don’t hate on spillane at all... he has done admirably, but he hasn’t shown consistent ability outside of hard hitting runstopping through his young career
Teams aren’t looking for that these days... its why we were able to retain vince and why the jets and Titans didn’t retain Avery Williamson... williamson was graded tenth among all linebackers the year the Titans let him walk... The reason was teams crave the sideline speed to let them get creative with their D... its not hate to say that spillane isn’t in bush’s league ability wise... he just isn’t... maybe spillane grows into a Fort type player, but for now he is a bacip grade guy playing because of injuries...
From what I saw on television...it does look like Spillane has freakishly long arms..
Also the reason we were able to get AW on the cheap is cause he is a runstopping ilb, not a coverage guy or all purpose guy... there were some of them available but their cap hits were atrocious....
Because again, teams overpay for speed at that position... its why Farrior and Ray Ray dropped so much weight near tge ends of their careers... the game made you have one Ilb/ mlb have to be a heavy safety type...
Because again, teams overpay for speed at that position... its why Farrior and Ray Ray dropped so much weight near tge ends of their careers... the game made you have one Ilb/ mlb have to be a heavy safety type...
Bush is 1st round talent, I mean of course he has more ability but Spillane is a quality LBer. I get your sideline to sideline example but there is a lot more to the position than that.
Spillane has been pretty damn good in coverage situations and he's gotten better at making reads at the line. I also think he's done really well with the green dot as far as communication and busted coverage. We haven't seen much of that up until he left the game on Monday.He doesn't have the ability to cover up his mistakes that well when he makes them though and that's where Bush has the huge advantage with his speed.
Spillane has done a great job with the green dot. He's smart, and although he doesn't have all the athletic ability of Bush, he usually gets himself and the rest of the defense in the right position. Which is extremely underrated, I believe.
Coincidentally (or maybe not) the game was 14-3 Steelers with 11 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when Spillane got injured. The defense struggled after he left the game. There is no denying that.
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I don't know what Spillane is or isn't other than what I see, and I saw a defense whose performance dropped dramatically when Spillane went off the field injured. Not saying he is better than Bush, but I think he provides more than Vince has to offer and having Spillane and Bush side by side on the field next year should be a treat.
Robert Spillane may be no Devin Bush, but Avery Williams is no Robert Spillane. Losing Spillane is gonna hurt. Might end up hurting a lot.
Robert Spillane may be no Devin Bush, but Avery Williams is no Robert Spillane. Losing Spillane is gonna hurt. Might end up hurting a lot.
I get what Coach is saying. I do think Spillane plays a bit smarter than Bush (no knock on Bush- he runs the green sticker very well). Bush has the physical advantage of the 2. Bush has amazing sideline to sideline speed that I think resembles more Ray Lewis speed in his prime. Spillane just understands gap assignments and takes smart angles to make up for his speed.
I would like to see the both of them playing inside next season together. They could be the best inside duo we’ve had since Foote and Farrior.
I would like to see the both of them playing inside next season together. They could be the best inside duo we’ve had since Foote and Farrior.
Bush is a player you have to scheme around. But as a tackler Spillane is as good. The Steelers have been so lucky to have Spillane pan out and I would probably play it like Hilton. Pay him big when you have too. If there is savings on Vince Williams next year, I would go Bush and Spillane. But I wouldn't trade one of my sons for the other. Just glad I have both.
Vince is gone next year for sure, unfortunately. I like Vince but cutting him gets us a nice chunk of money that we need for the players we need to keep.
Yep...
Also losing Haden shortly there aftre was the icing in the cake...they really attacked the right side after that..
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Let me just soak in this window lickers comparison.
You have one try hard ILber that soaked the scheme in well.
But he will never
ever be the coverage LBer than Bush is and he will never give you those sideline to sideline plays. No knock on Spillane he is a decent blue collar option. Knows the scheme attacks angles well
But comparing these two based on their statistics is doing Bush's excellent range against the run and pass a disservice.
Cooch your agendas are lame find yourself a hobby like basket weaving or something.
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Let me just soak in this window lickers comparison.
You have one try hard ILber that soaked the scheme in well.
But he will never
ever be the coverage LBer than Bush is and he will never give you those sideline to sideline plays. No knock on Spillane he is a decent blue collar option. Knows the scheme attacks angles well
But comparing these two based on their statistics is doing Bush's excellent range against the run and pass a disservice.
Cooch your agendas are lame find yourself a hobby like basket weaving or something.
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I’ll agree here.
The best football players are not always the physical freaks of nature.
They play smart, have spacial awareness, utilize the field to their advantage, angles/leverages etc.
However having that speed like Bush he can cut off angles a lot quicker. Sometimes those seconds matter
We were also undefeated with a healthy Spillane!
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Their respective opponents also impact the stats; it’s not as if both men were in the same exact scenarios in their starts, so how to compare over such a small sample size. The smaller the sample, the more INACCURATE the results.
You can have a guy five yards off the ball getting tons of tackles but a team would be averaging 5 yards per carry running at him. You can have a guy being short area sound but his inability to stretch outside of his comfort zone could open up pass plays and run plays on the edges.
He can be ****** in coverage but good at getting to the player before significant yardage. So those chains keep moving and the D stays out on the field more which means less time for the offense.
Stats are great to look at but don't necessary paint an accurate broad brush of a picture obviously.
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Same with Spillane,.....until he got injured !
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To avoid confusion? For whom? You or everyone else? To avoid confusion on a statistical analysis you would perform an even quantification method. Where does this 8 game figure come from? Bush only played in 4.3 games this year. So to perform an actual analysis between two sets of data you use the same quantification method Dumb ***.
If you round out the method (for your simpleton head) you can use 5 games (amount A1 data participation during the same period). Games 1-5 for Bush (A1), games 5-9 for Spillane (B1). Where the hell you get 8 games from is idiotic for comparison, since using 8 combines two seasons and B1 played ONE (1) defensive snap last season.
A quick brief of the data shows Bush had 26 tkls, 3 PDs, and 2 QBH. Spillane had 30 tkls, 4 PDs (1 pick six) and 3 QBH (2 sacks). So statistically better numbers, but resultant of team vs and situational football. No doubt, with his best game against Balt. Quantification method wise, the analysis is incomplete, unless more data is ascertained (which in itself may be impossible to use, i.e. player tendencies, scheme, etc.)
Shown here “your” comparison is far from “fair” and just supports your asinine agenda driven narrative that you didn’t like the Bush pick.
Coolie should enact Justin to have YOU pay the board every time you create these idiotic comparison threads. Because OutCoached has no clue about how to appropriately use statistics much less explain them. Leave the evaluation content for those who know how to do it Dumb ***.
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