The emergence of Spillane.

[Stryker]

No one and I mean NO ONE is giving us a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round pick for an ILB coming off of a surgically repaired ACL. Stop the fantasy already!

 

[Ike Kelly]

You would't take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Bush? That's you. Most here would take that. The 100% reply is really dumb, even by your standards.

Like I said Bush is probably 6th best on the defense, behind Watt, Dupree, Hayward, Tuitt, Haden, and Fitz. He is not good in pass coverage either.

You failed to mention the RFA, which is why I bought it up You come back with a copy and paste job. Lol. Can you answer this, is Vince Williams worth 7 million next year? My reply is heck no, we have negative cap space the way it is, and better free agents of our own to re-sign. Your reply is?

How many tackles does Williams have on special teams? IMO he's miscast on kick coverage, just lacks the speed. Where was Williams 20 snaps on special teams? Kick team coverage our as a blocker? It might interest you to learn that Williams has been in just 12% of the snaps this season on special teams. Last year that number was 8%. My point is Williams doesn't do much of anything on special teams has been proven. Finished dufusplaining yet? I'll give you a B for effort and a C- ( I'm in a good mood today ) for your reply.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillVi01.htm

Dumb ***, I wouldn’t make that trade, and I willing to say no person who has a basic understanding NFL front office concepts would either. Put it to the test....would anyone on this board who would willingly take the trade not on house money?

My reply is real world, yours is fantasy. You imply he’s the 6th best player on defense, like that’s even a measurement. There are no “6th best” players. He’s not good in pass coverage? Still not watching games obviously. Why was he the only ILB on passing downs?, why did he have the green dot? You don’t know the answer because it doesn’t fit your agenda. You think you know about the game and you don’t. You have an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, so stop pretending that you are an expert. You are far, far from it. With dozens of examples documented.

And no I didn’t fail to mention RFAs, I gave you the correct definition of the tender you postulated, which was wrong. You said 2nd round, but listed original draft round selection. The “copy & paste” of the definition was from NFL.com to show how wrong you were.

I can answer you Vince William question easily. No, he won’t have a cap charge of $7 mil. He will either get a extension or accept a pay cut. Simple.

And no, we don’t have negative cap space, we were under $8+ million before the Williamson trade. We are probably $6 mill under now. We won’t know the cap for 2021 until the renegotiated limit is decided. You’ve been told this half a dozen times, and you still harp about how we are over the cap ad nauseam.

You specifically said Bince doesn’t do special teams. You were shown you were wrong. I never said he participated in KO/or punts. Not many starting 8 year vets do. But PATs or FG attempts sure. Our defensive captain does.

Showing and detailing with facts how often wrong you are is not the purpose for this board. So layoff on the imbecile work, and save the grandstanding for the mirror.


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[Hines57]

I guess I am in the minority, but, even though Spillane was in the middle of a few "splash plays", there were still almost 300 yards rushing given up. That is unacceptable and if there is somebody else that can help address that issue, I am all for it.

to me that is indicative of the line getting pushed around to open up holes. We also had one of our OLBs always running at the QB on the RPOs which took a defender away from tackling the RB. We adjusted at the half but the defense was a little wore down by then. We were missing the beef of our DL once Alualu went down.

 

[Steelworth]

Regarding Bush, we dont give up that amount of rushing yards if Bush is playing. Spillane is playing well, but not even close to the Bush standard. I am not a coach nor do I play one on a message board, but even I can see the effectiveness of our defense with and without Bush.

It's more Alualu not being on the field.

 

[BLITZ]

It's more Alualu not being on the field.

Losing him was huge. He is playing at a pro bowl level. But Bush would have made a difference as well

 

[Steelin]

I dont know for sure about this website but the author of this column states that Spillaine had the first Steeler pick 6 of the Ravens since Woodson in 1996. Wtf? Who could forget Troy's pick 6 at the 2008 AFC Championship game? Watching that play can still choke me up to this day and has to be one of my favorite Steeler memories ever!

https://stillcurtain.com/2020/11/03/steelers-vs-ravens-odd-stats/

 

[Ron Burgundy]

No one and I mean NO ONE is giving us a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round pick for an ILB coming off of a surgically repaired ACL. Stop the fantasy already!

 

[Stainless]

I dont know for sure about this website but the author of this column states that Spillaine had the first Steeler pick 6 of the Ravens since Woodson in 1996. Wtf? Who could forget Troy's pick 6 at the 2008 AFC Championship game? Watching that play can still choke me up to this day and has to be one of my favorite Steeler memories ever!

https://stillcurtain.com/2020/11/03/steelers-vs-ravens-odd-stats/

I was actually at that game. That might be the last Steelers game I attended, which seems kinda messed up.

 

[Stryker]

Da Plane, Da Plane!!!!!!

 

[topseed]

Dulac indicated it was a depth move. Kaboly expects Williamson to start.

I believe Williamson is pretty good against the run, terrible against the pass.

I guess we'll find out. I thought Marcus Allen looked just fine against the pass when they put him in there for 11 snaps.

 

[topseed]

He shined like diamonds on a defense that just gave up 457 yards.

And Williamson shined like diamonds on a defense that just gave up 496 yards. Except he didn't put up six points on the board.

 

[Coach]

Regarding Bush, we dont give up that amount of rushing yards if Bush is playing. Spillane is playing well, but not even close to the Bush standard. I am not a coach nor do I play one on a message board, but even I can see the effectiveness of our defense with and without Bush.

Might that that have something to do with the Steelers playing the Titans and Henry and the Ravens and D.K. Dobbins and Lamar Jackson, combined with Alualu going down at DT/NT? I would say yes. The Titans and the Ravens are tough to beat, run-oriented playoff teams. Bush played the easy games before getting hurt.


I do not think Bush stones Henry in the hole, and his tackles per game was on the low side. As pointed out, he allowed a much higher percentage of passes completed in coverage too.


Bush had a very fast start as a rookie, and has cooled since.


Some numbers to ponder:


Drilling down in his last three games vs Houston, Philly and Cleveland, Bush had 2, 1, and 2 solo tackles. His missed tackles % is a little higher than I'd like at 13.3%.


Where does Spillane rate on missed tackles? Just 4.5%, which is impressive. In one game he had 10 solo tackles.
Spillane tackles well.


Bush has less splash plays too. 0 tackles for losses in 5 games played. 0 Int's, 3 PD's, 0 Fumble recoveries 1 sack.


Spliane already has 2 tackles for losses 1 Int, 2 PD's 1 Fumble Recovery and 0 sacks in far less snaps played.

Those are the numbers. I'm not calling Splliane better, that will take a larger sample of games. I am saying he's good, and likely the starter next year over Williams.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

no, he doesnt. He is just looking at cap numbers and trying to look like TMC. Thats the whole reason for this thread. Not about spillane, but that vince will likely be a cap casualty and spillane could take his spot.

Wait for it,,,,,

to I am saying he's good, and likely the starter next year over Williams.

 

[Stryker]

Might that that have something to do with the Steelers playing the Titans and Henry and the Ravens and D.K. Dobbins and Lamar Jackson, combined with Alualu going down at DT/NT? I would say yes. The Titans and the Ravens are tough to beat, run-oriented playoff teams. Bush played the easy games before getting hurt.


I do not think Bush stones Henry in the hole, and his tackles per game was on the low side. As pointed out, he allowed a much higher percentage of passes completed in coverage too.


Bush had a very fast start as a rookie, and has cooled since.


Some numbers to ponder:


Drilling down in his last three games vs Houston, Philly and Cleveland, Bush had 2, 1, and 2 solo tackles. His missed tackles % is a little higher than I'd like at 13.3%.


Where does Spillane rate on missed tackles? Just 4.5%, which is impressive. In one game he had 10 solo tackles.
Spillane tackles well.


Bush has less splash plays too. 0 tackles for losses in 5 games played. 0 Int's, 3 PD's, 0 Fumble recoveries 1 sack.


Spliane already has 2 tackles for losses 1 Int, 2 PD's 1 Fumble Recovery and 0 sacks in far less snaps played.

Those are the numbers. I'm not calling Splliane better, that will take a larger sample of games. I am saying he's good, and likely the starter next year over Williams.

Sound argument, I just don't see him taking Williams' spot unless they release him in a cap cutting move.