Time to put this BEN **** to rest!

[hamster]

Ben aint goin nowhere. He will retire here.

 

[Coryea]

Your team has to bee good enough where your qb doesn't have to play damn near perfect to win.
Andrew Luck makes some of the dumbest throws in EVERY game, Rodgers takes a few horrible sacks like Ben does every game, Manning throws a few bad passes every game, Brady makes **** throws every time a defender breathes near him, yet their teams still win weekly.

 

[steelcan58]

Ohh hell no..hes not worth it. But at this point we have no option but to pay him because we cant find a suitable up and coming replacement. With a rookie we go 4-12 maybe 5-11...with Ben we're no worse than 8-8 unless we somehow fix the defense.

The output thats most significant (Wins and Losses as opposed to compl pctg) was affected mostly by (the lack of) stout and strong defenses we had earlier in his career.

Ben would be a brilliant match right now in Arizona or Seattle...because they have brilliant, dominant defenses.

I'm interested to know what 5 games we win. We definitely lose to Indy and the Ravens. We needed every one of those TD passes to win those. Witout Ben we would win possibly 2 or 3 games tops. We would see what a **** show Tomlin is actually fielding out there.

 

[diver]

I get a kick out of some of the hypocrisy on here.

For example, Tomlin gets ripped for being coach "Cool Shades." Doesn't show too much emotion, has that dumb look on his face. ****, Ben has the same look. Brady is on his sideline screaming and ranting and raving. Note: I think that is all bullshit, but others have brought it up.

Another thing is this idea that a good QB is hard to find. So are coaches. But, it is always said, just because it might be hard doesn't mean they should keep Tomlin. Wouldn't that apply to Ben, too? He has been outplayed by a number of QBs this year. Maybe he just isn't as good as everyone thinks, and he may be easier to replace than we think.

 

[Steelz]

Your team has to bee good enough where your qb doesn't have to play damn near perfect to win.
Andrew Luck makes some of the dumbest throws in EVERY game, Rodgers takes a few horrible sacks like Ben does every game, Manning throws a few bad passes every game, Brady makes **** throws every time a defender breathes near him, yet their teams still win weekly.

This here is true. Our defense did him no favors yesterday. I think it comes down to turnovers as well, if our defense can't cause any turnovers and our offense are the only one's committing them then we're going to lose every time.

 

[ExUSAF]

Ohh hell no..hes not worth it. But at this point we have no option but to pay him because we cant find a suitable up and coming replacement. With a rookie we go 4-12 maybe 5-11...with Ben we're no worse than 8-8 unless we somehow fix the defense.

The output thats most significant (Wins and Losses as opposed to compl pctg) was affected mostly by (the lack of) stout and strong defenses we had earlier in his career.

Ben would be a brilliant match right now in Arizona or Seattle...because they have brilliant, dominant defenses.

"But at this point we have no option but to pay him because we cant find a suitable up and coming replacement. With a rookie we go 4-12 maybe 5-11...". Yes, we DO have an option - we take the rookie and eat the lousy season. Now 8-8 is the standard of success? If that is what we can expect with Ben in the lineup - and we have for the last two seasons and quite possibly this one as well - what are we really losing by not signing him? If the Rooney's can sell tickets at 4 - 12, why should they care anyway?

 

[Coryea]

Wait, we are going to complain about a contract Ben hasn't even signed yet as a reason we can fix the defense?
Here's a question, when have we ever went out dropped a lot of cash in free agency? I don't have all day, the answer is never, we don't sign big name guys, so Ben's contract won't hurt us. We use the draft, and try to find guys that produce under their rookie contract.

 

[Steelz]

I get a kick out of some of the hypocrisy on here.

For example, Tomlin gets that's d for being coach "Cool Shades." Doesn't show too much emotion, has that dumb look on his face. ****, Ben has the same look. Brady is on his sideline screaming and ranting and raving. Note: I think that is all bullshit, but others have brought it up.

Another thing is this idea that a good QB is hard to find. So are coaches. But, it is always said, just because it might be hard doesn't mean they should keep Tomlin. Wouldn't that apply to Ben, too? He has been outplayed by a number of QBs this year. Maybe he just isn't as good as everyone thinks, and he may be easier to replace than we think.

I agree with this as well. I think it's all about what the offense is designed for, and i think thats why Ben reigned in Bruce Arians offense but not so much in Haley's offense.
Haley's calls for a dink and dump type QB, run,run, pass 5 yards to get a first down, etc. Ben just not that type of QB. And maybe you don't need a 100 million dollar Qb for this type of system.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Ben aint goin nowhere. He will retire here.

BOOM This is it. Truth be told.

Wait, we are going to complain about a contract Ben hasn't even signed yet as a reason we can fix the defense?
Here's a question, when have we ever went out dropped a lot of cash in free agency? I don't have all day, the answer is never, we don't sign big name guys, so Ben's contract won't hurt us. We use the draft, and try to find guys that produce under their rookie contract.

Problem with this is the talent evaluation isn't here anymore. Between "cool shades and Colbert" nothing happens.



Salute the nation

 

[blitzburghv5]

I'm interested to know what 5 games we win. We definitely lose to Indy and the Ravens. We needed every one of those TD passes to win those. Witout Ben we would win possibly 2 or 3 games tops. We would see what a **** show Tomlin is actually fielding out there.

Im sure theres 5 games we can craft a plan to use our star RB and a series of plays that are tailored to the QB we'd draft or sign that has some talent, skill and a high football IQ along with some accuracy. If Miami can win 6-7 games with Tanneyhill, Minny, 6-7 games with Bridgewater, i think we can chew up 5 wins. But with what we have with Ben is constantly finishing at or near 8-8 and getting middle round draft picks which arent really doin us any favors. If youre gonna suck, suck for the picks that might help us improve...

Im not one for tankin but i dont have faith that Ben can get us over the hump anymore...and i dont care who you have under the head coaching headset.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I get a kick out of some of the hypocrisy on here.

For example, Tomlin gets ripped for being coach "Cool Shades." Doesn't show too much emotion, has that dumb look on his face. ****, Ben has the same look. Brady is on his sideline screaming and ranting and raving. Note: I think that is all bullshit, but others have brought it up.

We used to call Bill Cowher "Coach Chin" or "The Chin" or "Coach Cosby Sweater" (that last one may not have the cache that it used to). Coming up with snappy nicknames is part of our job description.

Time was the Steelers defense carried the game and the offense simply had to not screw up and that was a winning combination unless the defense had a bad day, then they weren't good enough to carry the offense. Today the roles are reversed. The offense carries the defense as long as they have a good day and if they have a bad day, then they aren't good enough to carry the defense.

 

[Steelz]

Problem with this is the talent evaluation isn't here anymore. Between "cool shades and Colbert" nothing happens.



Salute the nation

The talent is there. If you look at the position that struggles the most in all our losses you'll find the same one's.. QB, DL, secondary. And look at the players playing those positions. Ben, Keisel, Heyward, Thomas, Ike Taylor, Troy, Mitchell, Gay... Mostly older players who will eventually get replaced by younger players.

 

[antdrewjosh]

We used to call Bill Cowher "Coach Chin" or "The Chin" or "Coach Cosby Sweater" (that last one may not have the cache that it used to). Coming up with snappy nicknames is part of our job description.

Dont forget the new one Coach Home Boy

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Dont forget the new one Coach Home Boy

First I've heard that one.

 

[antdrewjosh]

The problem Ben is once cowher was gone he was t coached properly. He was basically coddled and allowed to do as he wants. Instead of being taught how to play the game and position. coach home boy always just said it's Ben being Ben. Now years later he has never improved his game from his second season and it's too late for him to change his habits and learn now. The steelers would be making a huge mistake to give him big money at this point

..............

 

[steelhurt]

Like I said yesterday in another thread, major decisions will have to be made after this season and Ben is pretty much at the top of the list. The problem as we all know if you trade Ben and receive a teams 1'st and 2'nd pick which would be what I'd be asking, who the hell plays QB now? We have no one waiting in the wings so now you have to either sign a veteran F/A or hope to get your guy in the draft but most likely we'd be drafting in the middle of the draft. We could be looking at years of bad QB play and bad seasons with this scenario.

We need to try and sign Ben to a contract possibly 5 years and keep surrounding him with talent and concentrate on rebuilding this excuse for a defense. We have to be more aggressive in F/A and at least bring in one top flight F/A defensive player and possibly 2. The draft has to be centered around defense the first three rounds, CB, Safety and DL. This can be fixed but the right players need to be brought in through F/A and the draft. The main problem with this football team has been and will continue to be on defense. It will be time to part ways with Troy,Ike, Keisel,Harrison and infuse the younger talent into the team.

And I'm not one who thinks Lebeau has suddenly gone stupid and lost it. He simply does not have the guns that he once could rely on. The oldsters I mention above are just a shell of their former selves. They just do not get it done like they once did. I'll tell you one huge are to address and that's talent evaluation. That includes the scouting department, Colbert and Tomlin. Its broken somewhere within this chain and that imo needs to be a huge priority this off season which will be coming sooner than later.

I think the team will win one of their remaining 4 games so that puts us right in the middle of the draft again so we have to hit home runs here. The jury is still out on Uncle Jarvis who I do not have any confidence that this guy will make it to a 2nd Steeler contract. I just do not see it.
Ryan Shazier its much too early to evaluate especially with an injury riddled season so the evaluation is still in process.
Anyway, the talent evaluation must be addressed and fixed.

 

[Coryea]

I don't remember Haley's offense being dink and dunk when he was at Arizona. Until I hear or see proof, these **** *** bubble screens/wr screens we seem to run 10. Of every game is a Tomlin thing, we ran them when BA was here and we still run them with Hailey, it's funny how similar Hailey and BA's offense look.

 

[Vader]

I'm getting tired of hearing about Ben's contract restricting the team in the future. It's bullshit. Who do you want to pay big bucks too? They paid Worilds almost $10 MILLION just for this year. Let's say Ben agrees to a lifetime contract worth $5 million a year. Peanuts right? Ok what do you do with the money? There are no great FAs anymore because teams sign their own players most of the time. So that means you want to sign Adams, Gilbert (just signed), Allen (just signed), Beachum, Foster, Ike, Gay??? Who?

Fact is this team runs by the draft. They have sucked at drafting for 8 years now so there is no one to sign except marginal players. Ben's contract doesn't hurt the Steelers AT ALL. Seriously, who in the hell do you want to spend all the money on?

 

[Steelz]

Fact is this team runs by the draft. They have sucked at drafting for 8 years now so there is no one to sign except marginal players. Ben's contract doesn't hurt the Steelers AT ALL. Seriously, who in the hell do you want to spend all the money on?

1. It's already been proven that this team's been drafting bad for way longer than 8 years. (nice try to stick Tomlin with that one)

2. Did you ever look around the league and see what a couple shut down corner's does to a team? Arizona, Cleveland, Seattle, Patriots, just to name a few. If we had just 1 shutdown CB I guarantee you we'd have a better record. But they don't have the $$ to spend on one.

 

[Skott]

The defense gave up points, sure. But Ben gifted wrapped 2 INTs for Brees. And an old and absolutely horrible tackling defense didn't bail him out.

Taylor is done, he was done last year. And Troy is done, too. He can't tackle either.

 

[Vader]

1. It's already been proven that this team's been drafting bad for way longer than 8 years. (nice try to stick Tomlin with that one)

2. Did you ever look around the league and see what a couple shut down corner's does to a team? Arizona, Cleveland, Seattle, Patriots, just to name a few. If we had just 1 shutdown CB I guarantee you we'd have a better record. But they don't have the $$ to spend on one.

Bullshit:

1. The 3 drafts before Tomlin they drafted: Holmes, Colon, Miller, McFadden, Essex, Kemo, Ben, and Starks. Let's look at Tomlin ONLY SB win:

Holmes: Starting WR who made the "Catch" in the SB.
Colon: Staring RT
Miller: Starting TE (even today)
McFadden: Starting RCB
Essex: Played in 7 games and played all over the OL
Kemo: Starting LG
Ben: SB winning QB and the only QB Tomlin has ever had
Starks: Starting LT

So please tell me how bad they were before Tomlin. Without those guys he doesn't sniff a SB.

2. Did you ever look around the league and see AZ, the clowns or the pats* win a SB in the past 10 years or EVER? Nope. Do you know where they got their shutdown CBs? THE DRAFT. The pats* signed Revis to a one year $12M contract. The Steelers are paying Worilds almost $10M because they value LBs over CBs. The Steelers don't even care enough about the CB position to DRAFT a CB high. What makes you think they'd spend a ton of money on one in FA even if they had the money?

Again your points are non-sense.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

1. It's already been proven that this team's been drafting bad for way longer than 8 years. (nice try to stick Tomlin with that one)

As mentioned on sports talk radio this morning, unless that was you, there are only three players on the roster drafted in the past 8 years that are worth a crap. AB, Bell, Pouncey, and I'll give DeCastro an honorable mention. That's it.
So again, either Colbert became retarded overnight or Shades' input on the draft is not so good.

 

[Steelz]

Bullshit:

1. The 3 drafts before Tomlin they drafted: Holmes, Colon, Miller, McFadden, Essex, Kemo, Ben, and Starks. Let's look at Tomlin ONLY SB win:

Holmes: Starting WR who made the "Catch" in the SB.
Colon: Staring RT
Miller: Starting TE (even today)
McFadden: Starting RCB
Essex: Played in 7 games and played all over the OL
Kemo: Starting LG
Ben: SB winning QB and the only QB Tomlin has ever had
Starks: Starting LT

So please tell me how bad they were before Tomlin. Without those guys he doesn't sniff a SB.

2. Did you ever look around the league and see AZ, the clowns or the pats* win a SB in the past 10 years or EVER? Nope. Do you know where they got their shutdown CBs? THE DRAFT. The pats* signed Revis to a one year $12M contract. The Steelers are paying Worilds almost $10M because they value LBs over CBs. The Steelers don't even care enough about the CB position to DRAFT a CB high. What makes you think they'd spend a ton of money on one in FA even if they had the money?

Again your points are non-sense.

Again nice Try.. Lets try 2 years later shall we...

Super Bowl 45 Steelers vs Pakers

Holmes: Starting WR who made the "Catch" in the SB. ( gone. in is Wallace)
Colon: Staring RT (gone. in was Ramon Foster)
Miller: Starting TE (even today)
McFadden: Starting RCB (gone. in was William Gay)
Essex: Played in 7 games and played all over the OL (didnt play much this year so again not a facter.)
Kemo: Starting LG (was a big reason we lost this super bowl. cut following year)
Ben: SB winning QB and the only QB Tomlin has ever had
Starks: Starting LT (gone. In was Flozell Adams)

So Yeah... Nice Try. But those Cowher picks sucked too. Tomlin had alot his own players in his second Super Bowl run.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Again nice Try.. Lets try 2 years later shall we...

Super Bowl 45 Steelers vs Pakers

Holmes: Starting WR who made the "Catch" in the SB. ( gone. in is Wallace)
Colon: Staring RT (gone. in was Ramon Foster)
Miller: Starting TE (even today)
McFadden: Starting RCB (gone. in was William Gay)
Essex: Played in 7 games and played all over the OL (didnt play much this year so again not a facter.)
Kemo: Starting LG (was a big reason we lost this super bowl. cut following year)
Ben: SB winning QB and the only QB Tomlin has ever had
Starks: Starting LT (gone. In was Flozell Adams)

So Yeah... Nice Try. But those Cowher picks sucked too. Tomlin had alot his own players in his second Super Bowl run.

Beyond many factual errors, your argument doesn't even make any sense.

Players they won a Super Bowl with sucked because they didn't play in the other Super Bowl they lost?

 

[Vader]

Beyond many factual errors, your argument doesn't even make any sense.

Players they won a Super Bowl with sucked because they didn't play in the other Super Bowl they lost?

Exactly my point. He's bitching about SB winning players. I guess not making the playoffs with draft picks makes them as good as SB winning draft picks? Who knew?