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You avoided the question. If the actual cases are 10X the known cases and around 40 million, how do you figure that we couldn’t have had 250 million cases without mitigation?
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You avoided the question. If the actual cases are 10X the known cases and around 40 million, how do you figure that we couldn’t have had 250 million cases without mitigation?
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A fourth person has died of drowning this summer in GA's Lake Lanier -- this time sadly a teenager. People are dying from swimming in and using Lake Lanier. Does it really matter that many more people depend on Lake Lanier for drinking water, electricity, livelihood, and pursuit of happiness?
Shouldn't we drain Lake Lanier by the prevailing wisdom of this hour? Or at least mandatory flotation devices and no swimming in water over your head if we decide to drain it to half pool? We can't have assumed risk in life anymore.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/teen-drowns-as-he-was-swimming-in-georgia-lake
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More math, Tim. 4% of the worlds population, 23% of the Covid deaths. You think that’s good?
As usual, this response makes no sense as to the context of his question and has nothing to do with the faulty science of predicting 20 million deaths worldwide.
And the rest of the world did a better job mitigating death than certain states in the U.S. Those states were offered huge monetary incentives to transfer Covid-19 infected patients to vulnerable nursing homes and the derelict Governors of those states agreed. In Michigan alone, apparently 8 of the 20 nursing homes selected were rated "below standard" or "much below standard" for their conditions by HHS prior to them taking in these people. Think about that for a moment.
Those states comprise of the majority of deaths in the U.S., but you don't hear much about that, because all of them had one thing in common. You know what that is?
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For the Mask Crusaders, this is a good primer with some British dry humor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6bJ5PxIdl8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6bJ5PxIdl8&feature=youtu.be
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I've come to conclude walking out your door each day is a very dangerous thing all sorts of things can happen to you.
It is best to wait in your house until the brilliant leaders in government who are thousands of years advanced in wisdom and knowledge,tell us the proper ways we may conduct our days as to limit potential hazards to ourselves and others.
It is best to wait in your house until the brilliant leaders in government who are thousands of years advanced in wisdom and knowledge,tell us the proper ways we may conduct our days as to limit potential hazards to ourselves and others.
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Christ almighty you're dense.
You've avoided easily 3 or 4 points. You call me out for avoiding 1 LMAO. The double standard is rich.
Now you are talking about CASES when we were previously pointing out that you and the others were discussing 1-2Million DEATHS.
I'm of the mindset that with herd immunity, pending vaccines, and the validation that Remdesivr and Hydroxycholoroquine areworking, coupled with the decreasing death rate we are currently seeing, we will sooner v later see the case rates AND death rates drop.
Can you stay on track? Millions of deaths or millions of cases Flogged?
Death rates as of today (the ten countries with top deaths)
1. UK - .1528
2. Italy - .1426
3. Mexico - .1126
4. Spain - .0890
5. Iran - .0539
6. Peru - .0475
7. Brazil - .0347
8. USA - .0345
9. India - .0228
10. France - .0167
Do I think we are doing well?
Those other 9 countries have 5,956,775 cases and 336,401 deaths for a cumulative death rate of .0565 compared to the USA's .0345.
I'd say we are doing better than the other hardest hit countries per the math or do you want to disagree?
Lol. This also doesn’t account for the counties that don’t report. Does anyone, anyone think China, the source of the chinesevirus didn’t sustain a ridiculous amount of cases and more importantly deaths? Come the **** on. These people were dragged out their homes and shuttles off to the camps they have running currently that no one speaks of.
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No, you referred to the 99.6% survivability rate. You need cases to determine that, trust me. So why won’t you answer the question, Tim?
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If you donated to the site, we might actually consider donating some of the proceeds to a pair of bifocals for you. But you don't, so you'll remain blind.
Deaths:
July 1 - 676
July 2 - 687
July 3 - 626
July 4 - 266
July 5 - 263
July 6 - 378
July 7 - 993
July 8 - 891
July 9 - 961
July 10 - 848
July 11 - 732
July 12 - 381
July 13 - 465
July 14 - 936
July 15 - 1,002
July 16 - 963
July 17 - 946
July 18 - 813
July 19 - 412
July 20 - 545
That's an average of 689 deaths daily in July. Not increasing to 1,000. In fact, the absolute data shows a decrease in deaths in the past 5 days. We topped 1,000 once in July. Once. We topped 1,000 deaths FOUR times in June.
Keep it coming Floggy.
How about you update this graph once a week for the next month or so and show me what’s what with Covid deaths? Deal?
Let’s say that could be measure by any level. It can’t but let’s say. To what extent does the mortality rate go? We are seeing currently those that took said mitigation’s (lock down), now get infected and in most cases continue on with life. Sure, there are still some that have perished.
Let’s take same example of mitigation. Why not for the past decade the world shutter indoors when the flu hits. How many lives could we have save. How many less infected.
How about another truth. We didn’t truely hide in some bubble without exposures. We have all been exposed in daily “shut down” life’s. Mail, boxes from amazon, grocery store from the 13yr old who “disinfected” my buggy, the gas pump for me to fuel up. And on and on and on.
No, you emphatically do not. Using the data we have, the survivability rate is over 96%. Empirical data.
For those of us below the age of 65, it's infinitely higher.
Stay on point.
Even IF they went up consistently, WHICH they have for the past few days, what inane point of yours would it make? I must say I'm scratching my head on this one.
As of today, USA Cases = 4,371,502
USA Deaths = 149,845
Rate: .03427
Deaths by age...and by week
I’ve never seen such liberal dipshits getting excited about America having a higher death rate than anyone else. TDS is a terrible thing.
Fibs and Flogged appear to literally be cheerleading for it to increase. I won't outright say it, but one only needs read their words to see it. The arguments they make v those they don't. The comments they make v those they don't. Pretty apparent.
Telling, isn't it? And the thing is, if it weren't for 5 liberal Governors essentially sending innocent people to their deaths by crowding their vulnerable nursing homes with Covid-19 infected patients (while hospitals and hospital beds were already being appropriated for Covid-infected individuals), the mortality rate would be much lower.
They've been asked to comment on that aspect of it, but we get nothing but crickets.
Exactly it’s all an agenda driven grab now.
They used a virus that is not looking to be as advertised. Contagious sure, deadly? I don’t know.
But I think the world would’ve been fine just going about our business. It would’ve been a more severe cold/flu season at best for us I think.
I have completely lost trust in the data being reported regarding infections and deaths. For example, in Allegheny County a positive retest is considered a new unique infection. This has now become a political pandemic. Fact.
I found this very interesting.
Cases and Deaths Associated with COVID-19
by Age Group in California
July 25, 2020
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx
Death Rates by Age Group Calculated are:
<5 years old = 8,752 cases, 100% survival rate
5-17 years old = 31,682 cases, 100% survival rate
18-34 years old = 160,056 cases, 106 deaths, 99.9% survival rate
35-49 years old = 113,981 cases, 474 deaths, 99.6% survival rate
50-59 years old = 64,200 cases, 828 deaths, 98.7% survival rate
60-64 years old = 23,294 cases, 635 deaths, 97.3% survival rate
65-69 years old = 16,134 cases, 811 deaths, 95% survival rate
70-74 years old = 11,306 cases, 927 deaths, 91.8% survival rate
75-79 years old = 7,848 cases, 960 deaths, 87.8% survival rate
80% years old = 15,893 cases, 3,641 deaths, 77.1% survival rate
Slice and Dice that Data:
453,659 Total Cases ALL age groups, 8,382 Deaths = 98.1% overall survival rate
401,938 Total Cases in Ages 64 and under (let's call this working age, pre-retirement), 2,043 Deaths = 99.5% survival rate
65+ age groups combined = 35,047 cases, 6,339 deaths = 81.9% survival rate
I know this is just California. But CA data shows that there is a 99.5% survival rate for those of us who are working age and below. For those retirement age and beyond, it's DEADLY.
This data shows...we should be protecting the most vulnerable among us. Those of us who are working age? We should be living life.
The shutdown for ALL of society is unwarranted.
Cases and Deaths Associated with COVID-19
by Age Group in California
July 25, 2020
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx
Death Rates by Age Group Calculated are:
<5 years old = 8,752 cases, 100% survival rate
5-17 years old = 31,682 cases, 100% survival rate
18-34 years old = 160,056 cases, 106 deaths, 99.9% survival rate
35-49 years old = 113,981 cases, 474 deaths, 99.6% survival rate
50-59 years old = 64,200 cases, 828 deaths, 98.7% survival rate
60-64 years old = 23,294 cases, 635 deaths, 97.3% survival rate
65-69 years old = 16,134 cases, 811 deaths, 95% survival rate
70-74 years old = 11,306 cases, 927 deaths, 91.8% survival rate
75-79 years old = 7,848 cases, 960 deaths, 87.8% survival rate
80% years old = 15,893 cases, 3,641 deaths, 77.1% survival rate
Slice and Dice that Data:
453,659 Total Cases ALL age groups, 8,382 Deaths = 98.1% overall survival rate
401,938 Total Cases in Ages 64 and under (let's call this working age, pre-retirement), 2,043 Deaths = 99.5% survival rate
65+ age groups combined = 35,047 cases, 6,339 deaths = 81.9% survival rate
I know this is just California. But CA data shows that there is a 99.5% survival rate for those of us who are working age and below. For those retirement age and beyond, it's DEADLY.
This data shows...we should be protecting the most vulnerable among us. Those of us who are working age? We should be living life.
The shutdown for ALL of society is unwarranted.
And it's showing to be deadly. We are social creatures as it is, but just think about all the people who rely on groups (from alcoholics anonymous to volunteers in their local community) who are confined to their homes with little to no interaction, or the only interaction they are getting is through a technological device. How many of our elderly population, or even some boomers, can navigate their way around smartphones and social media? How many kids are suffering because they can't go to school to see their best friends, to be in a classroom and use practical applications to see how things work, or go to the local playground to do what they know how to do best; be kids.
Or like OFTBs friend of a friend who has bipolar disorder who can't deal with a society (or its people) just breaking in half, how are they dealing with this? Not well would be an understatement. How many vets/ex-military who suffer severe PTSD that rely on groups where they can talk with other vets and feel like they can live to fight another day. What about people who want to practice their faith and congregate in their church to learn more about their God and probably try to make sense of what is happening to their once great country? What about family members who want to see their elderly loved ones, and let them know that they are not alone; that they are loved? People who rely on the gym and their physical fitness (which sharpens their mental fitness), and don't have the means or the room to just do it wherever they feel?
This is affecting everybody, from all walks of life. Race, sex, creed, religion, sexual orientation etc. This **** doesn't discriminate. And it's fueling this country getting torn apart. Many of you have already shown the statistics of alcohol and drug abuse, domestic abuse, assaults and violent crime, and sadly, people who are taking their own lives. It's not a joke. All for a virus that's looking like it's mortality rate is not much different from the common flu.
The cure is absolutely 100% worse than the disease.
Even IF they went up consistently, WHICH they have for the past few days, what inane point of yours would it make? I must say I'm scratching my head on this one.
As of today, USA Cases = 4,371,502
USA Deaths = 149,845
Rate: .03427
Deaths by age...and by week
And to think with H1N1 we had 60 million cases in the US.
Of course only a small fraction of the deaths at 12K.
But it makes you wonder back then if they counted someone who was hit by bus or died of a heart attack as an H1N1 death if they had the disease.
Only 3 children < 18yrs of age have died from COVID.
166 children this year have died from the flu.
317 children died from H1N1
And we want to shut down schools?
There was never any reason to shut down a nation for the best interests of old people. Myself included.
All we needed to do was to take measures to protect them.
There is no doubt. Whatever it takes to keep Trump from being re-elected. These same people cheer for a recession and for the economy to blow up. It will all be worth it to those ******** if that's what it takes to oust Trump.
Christ almighty you're dense.
You've avoided easily 3 or 4 points. You call me out for avoiding 1 LMAO. The double standard is rich.
Now you are talking about CASES when we were previously pointing out that you and the others were discussing 1-2Million DEATHS.
I'm of the mindset that with herd immunity, pending vaccines, and the validation that Remdesivr and Hydroxycholoroquine areworking, coupled with the decreasing death rate we are currently seeing, we will sooner v later see the case rates AND death rates drop.
Can you stay on track? Millions of deaths or millions of cases Flogged?
Either that or he's punch drunk from all the blows he's been taking.
I personally know 1 person that contracted the disease two months ago. She still remains the only person I personally know that contracted COVID.