I have no idea where I said that no one liked Stewart. I disagreed with you saying that “ most on the board liked him”. Of course a minority few liked him. But certainly not “most”.
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I have no idea where I said that no one liked Stewart. I disagreed with you saying that “ most on the board liked him”. Of course a minority few liked him. But certainly not “most”.
Depends on what time frame we are talking about the transition period from slash to QB he was well liked. As the Ints piled up so turned likes into frustration. Not sure how any one thinks initially he wasn't well liked. I think that is more of agenda driven than actual reality.
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I think we are about to find out how difficult it is to find a Ben level QB.
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I'd say there were more of us Kordell haters getting into heated debates with the apologists. Kordell was a larger version of Lamar Jackson, so imagine Lamar declaring himself a pocket passer and throwing "worm burners" consistently. So frustrating. I was at the last Cleveland game in 3 rivers where Kent Graham started the game. He sucked so badly that the place actually cheered when Korky trotted onto the field. Cowher really did have some awful QB's back in the day.
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So very true slash, In his "slash" role he had the NUMBER 1 JERSEY sales of all time NFL. For a couple years. YES he was very well liked in that slash role and why wouldn't he be. The NFL had never seen the likes of what Kordell brought to the table. Our OC used him properly and he was virtuously undefendable there for awhile. Many forget this portion of his career.
ALSO his longevity with the team was as much faction as how much the owner loved him. At first all liked him but even Cowher's hands had a little tie to them in the decision to keep him. Many here conveniently associate his time here as a major fail when in reality he contributed to much success along the way.
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I liked him a lot at first. It didnt take long to see his obvious flaws despite Steeler success. I didnt have access to as much information at that time as I do now. I attributed the inability to move on to Cowher. I couldn't understand what I saw as his blind spot in regards to Kordell. It does make more sense hearing it was out of his hands somewhat.
McCarthy - Favre Rodgers -- 1 SB
Payton - Brees - 1 SB
Carroll - Wilson - 1 SB
Tomlin - Roethlisberger - 1 SB
Manning's won 2 each. Different coaches.
Payton - Brees - 1 SB
Carroll - Wilson - 1 SB
Tomlin - Roethlisberger - 1 SB
Manning's won 2 each. Different coaches.
Nope not at all.
I'm just asking for those that think Cowher didn't go after a QB.
1. At what point did you think Neil wasn't the guy? He was pretty good until he bombed out in the Super Bowl.
2. There were no QB's we passed on in the draft that we could've taken
3. Cowher wasn't necessarily responsible for those QB's, remember the whole Donawho thing, Cowher wanted Kearse, we ended up with Edwards. Cowher told the Rooney's it's him or Donawho, one of us are leaving. So obviously Cowher didn't have full control.
In McCarthy's last 10 seasons he's won 6 playoff games and made 3 NFCCG's
Carroll prior to this season, has coached 10 seasons, 9 playoff wins.
Tomlin last 10 seasons 3 playoff wins.
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Oh, yes there certainly were. Not the least of which are Brees and Brady.
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Looks like Korky's son is a HS CB in Atlanta Georgia
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Brady was passed on by every team multiple times and is a cheater, I'm talking about guys that were there when we picked that were supposed to be good QB's.
Brees isn't a bad one, but we picked in the middle of round 1, that would've been a huge reach and meant passing on Hampton. Not one other coach or GM would've picked him there, because none did.
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I’m just showing that conventional wisdom when it comes to the draft is often nonsense. Lamar Jackson and Russel Wilson are a couple more. When Ben leaves (assuming he still has something left now) the Steelers might go another 25 years before finding another Franchise QB, OR they might stumble upon one after the first round. The idea that teams can only draft Franchise QBs in the top of the first round is nonsense.
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Ben has also won two SBs as you well know. Cowher did it with him his second year, skip the super bowl hang over and then tomlin (with many existing previous players) wins with BEN. What has happened sense is what the real question is.
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I agree, then on that note, in Cowher's 15 seasons, we drafted 8 QB's, brought in free agent QB's, tried to sign Marino in 99. So Cowher didn't value the QB position?
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More like misjudged potential with Stewart.
I’m not getting my hopes up, but the If the Titans can continue to run 40 times at 5 yards/attempt, they might prove the QB position is now overvalued.
partially true, but so did the entire NFL community, including Dan Rooney who really like Kordell and dubbed Heinz Field the house that Kordell built, for all we know, Cowher may not have wanted to sign Kordell long term, that was out of his hands. I mean Cowher did make him cry in Tampa in 1999
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Are you related to Cowher? Distant cousin maybe?
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Just to be fair,.......Cowher also kissed him on the sidelines.................not sure of the year.
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Its not that I don't think he valued the QB position. I don't think it was his highest priority. I think he felt he could win with a game manager type, run the ball well and play championship defense. Kind of "a QB that won't kill us" philosophy, if you will and things of that nature. It's not that he didn't want a better QB, I think he felt he didn't NEED a better QB.
I think if Cowher were coaching today, his draft philosophy would be completely different.
That could be true, maybe a little of both. The NFL today is built around the passing game, the rules are skewed toward the offense in a big way. When he coached it was defense and the running game. There wasn't the roughing the QB calls like today, DB's could be very physical with the WR's.
Here are the QB's that went in round 1 or 2 while Cowher was here:
92-Klingler and Maddox went in round 1, no QB's went in round 2. We picked 11th
93-Bledsoe and Mirer went #1 and #2, no QB's went in round 2. We picked 23rd
94-Shuler went #3, Dilfer went #6, the next QB wasn't drafted until the 4th rd. We picked 17th
95-McNair went #3, Kerry Collins went 5th. Todd Collins and Kordell went in round 2. We picked 27th.
96-No QB's went in round 1, Tony Banks was the only QB drafted in round 2.
97-Drunkenmiller went 26th in round 1, Jake Plummer went in the 2nd. We picked 24th
98-Manning and Leaf went #1 and #2, Batch went in round 2. We picked 26th
99-Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith, Culpepper, McNown all went top 12 in round 1. Shaun King only QB in round 2 we picked 13th.
00-Pennington went 18th, no QB's were taken in the 2nd. We picked 8th
01-Vick went #1, Brees, Quincy Carter, Tuiasosoppo all in round 2. We picked 19th
02-Carr, Harrington, Ramsey went in the 1st. No QB's went in round 2. We picked 30th.
03-Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman went in round 1, no QB's in round 2. We picked 16th
We didn't really have a chance at any good QB's.
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Excellent post. So you can see by this research by Coryea, The Steelers ended up with a 1st and 2nd in Maddox and Batch from these drafts without spending the draft capital. There was a ton of talk about them drafting Pennington, but the Steelers ended up with Plax and it was the right choice. Brees was the only good QB available for the Steelers to pick in the first 2 rounds in 12 years! And the rub on Brees was he was too short to play QB. Thus not on a lot of team's boards.
Also Kordell was their QB in 2000 and the Steelers were committing to him, so Brees wouldn't have been on their draft board.
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You could count with just one hand how many good/great QBs were drafted in such long period of time. Thin air list
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