Cowherd Roasts Tomlin Nuthugger

[Drink IRON City]

Yeah, it's cringe-worthy once you've heard it for so long. But he still has people out there thinking he's the Rhodes Scholar of coaching profession.

I just watched the show "the program" with James Caan as the head coach. There was this one scene where a (young) hale berry tell a football player something to the affect "Darnell, when you use those big words it makes you sound stupid, you're not using them in the right context. it makes you look stupid" THIS COULD APPLY TO CMVLT.



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[Vader]

Fact is the only way the Steelers are ever going to win a SB again is if Tomlin has a lot more talent than other teams. IF Ben can come back better than ever, they draft perfectly, Brady retires, Mahomes gets hurt, and the defense mirrors the 08' defense then they have a chance.

 

[Steelworth]

Fact is the only way the Steelers are ever going to win a SB again is if Tomlin has a lot more talent than other teams. IF Ben can come back better than ever, they draft perfectly, Brady retires, Mahomes gets hurt, and the defense mirrors the 08' defense then they have a chance.

 

[Coach]

Tomlin ******* sucks. He’s a cliche machine who tries to make himself look intelligent. Have you seen that fucktards interviews lately? I have absolutely no idea what the **** he is talking about - he just goes around and around with words and says very little in doing so. He spends more time with a dictionary on his desk than the playbook or other teams game film. Hehas been and will remain well over his head as an nfl head coach.

This. He get softball questions and does a really good job impersonating a good coach.

The fact remains I see very little coaching on the side line. Most of his talking is during the press conference.




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[Sarge]

Over the years, I have read that Cowher never had a QB until Ben. Well, whose fault is that? I guess you could blame Donahoe, but reality is, Cowher it seems never really placed a premium on the position. Surely he could have found QB's better than O'Donnell, Tomczak, Maddox and Kordell.

Come on. That dog won't hunt.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

That's from 2016, not that his point is incorrect but that video is old

Still true, ain't it?

 

[Coryea]

Over the years, I have read that Cowher never had a QB until Ben. Well, whose fault is that? I guess you could blame Donahoe, but reality is, Cowher it seems never really placed a premium on the position. Surely he could have found QB's better than O'Donnell, Tomczak, Maddox and Kordell.

Come on. That dog won't hunt.

Go back and look at the draft and find QBs that we had a chance to draft and passed on.

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[Steelr4evr]

Over the years, I have read that Cowher never had a QB until Ben. Well, whose fault is that? I guess you could blame Donahoe, but reality is, Cowher it seems never really placed a premium on the position. Surely he could have found QB's better than O'Donnell, Tomczak, Maddox and Kordell.

Come on. That dog won't hunt.

The Rooneys sunk a bunch of money into Kordell right as Heinz Field was about to open. I remember them saying something like"This could be the house that Kordell built"

Then he melted down in that Denver AFCCG and the rest is history. I did at one point think he had blackmail photos on Cowher.

Considering we started drafting later because of success and the commitment to Kordell as "the guy " it's easy to see why we wasted so many years not addressing a qb.

 

[SojournerSteel]

This. He get softball questions and does a really good job impersonating a good coach.

The fact remains I see very little coaching on the side line. Most of his talking is during the press conference.




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Does he use Duracell in his headset? Or does it matter since we never see him talking into the headset?

 

[SojournerSteel]

I just watched the show "the program" with James Caan as the head coach. There was this one scene where a (young) hale berry tell a football player something to the affect "Darnell, when you use those big words it makes you sound stupid, you're not using them in the right context. it makes you look stupid" THIS COULD APPLY TO CMVLT.



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Perfect reference!

 

[Coryea]

The Rooneys sunk a bunch of money into Kordell right as Heinz Field was about to open. I remember them saying something like"This could be the house that Kordell built"

Then he melted down in that Denver AFCCG and the rest is history. I did at one point think he had blackmail photos on Cowher.

Considering we started drafting later because of success and the commitment to Kordell as "the guy " it's easy to see why we wasted so many years not addressing a qb.

He played like **** in the AFCCG, but we started out damn good in 1998, 7-4 just beat Green Bay in Green Bay, then the Thanksgiving coin toss ****. He got benched sometime in 1999, then was benched to start the 2000 season, won the job back later by coming back to a win at hope vs the Raiders, had a pretty good 2001 season, then benched for good in 02.

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[SteelChip]

The Rooneys sunk a bunch of money into Kordell right as Heinz Field was about to open. I remember them saying something like"This could be the house that Kordell built"

Oh the memories..........

 

[Xc944]

Over the years, I have read that Cowher never had a QB until Ben. Well, whose fault is that? I guess you could blame Donahoe, but reality is, Cowher it seems never really placed a premium on the position. Surely he could have found QB's better than O'Donnell, Tomczak, Maddox and Kordell.

Come on. That dog won't hunt.

Tell us the who during those years he could have gotten ? Those were different years not nearly as many good qbs as today and the Steelers has no shot at any of them

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tell us the who during those years he could have gotten ? Those were different years not nearly as many good qbs as today and the Steelers has no shot at any of them

EXACTLY, Cowherds consistantly drafted in the upper 20s so NO, the better QBs we’re gone by our draft pick and even so there was not much to chose from. Cowherds had all the pieces of the puzzle together except the QB position and some here thin k Bill didn’ know that. He knew he needed a QB and guess what.................. Ben Roelisberger. Showed up and near instant Super Bowl.

Cowherds was a MUCH better talent evaluator and had to let better talent go than what Tomlin can seem to draft, on a consistent basis. Yes Bill had his miss fires but a hell of a lot less than our current coaching.

More likely than not, cowher would have added 3 more SBs to our stash during this time of the Tomlin era.





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[black and gold apex]

There is a weakness with Tomlin and we all see it but as long as he is praised and Rooney would rather be a 8-8 team nothing will be done. Tomlin will never get a OC or DC that will get more praise than himself, we have waisted some talent under Tomlin and now this team will struggle till we get the QB and play makers on offense.

 

[antdrewjosh]

EXACTLY, Cowherds consistantly drafted in the upper 20s so NO, the better QBs we’re gone by our draft pick and even so there was not much to chose from. Cowherds had all the pieces of the puzzle together except the QB position and some here thin k Bill didn’ know that. He knew he needed a QB and guess what.................. Ben Roelisberger. Showed up and near instant Super Bowl.

Cowherds was a MUCH better talent evaluator and had to let better talent go than what Tomlin can seem to draft, on a consistent basis. Yes Bill had his miss fires but a hell of a lot less than our current coaching.

More likely than not, cowher would have added 3 more SBs to our stash during this time of the Tomlin era.





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Ok now flip that Tomlin has consistently drafted in the 20s too and never had a pick as high as Cowher..what premium CBs OLBs etc was he supposed to get to fix the defense picking that low. If the argument is Cowher didnt pick low enough to get a Franchise QB why doesn't the same apply for Tomlin not picking low enough to pick the cream of the crop on defense?? Just asking a question

 

[stillwright]

Go back and look at the draft and find QBs that we had a chance to draft and passed on.

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Yeah I get the whole take a look back angle, but who is to say a QB drafted by another team if we would have drafted them they wouldn't have had success. If Ben gets drafted by the Browns does he have the success he has had here? So many factors go into a player's career. While a player has failed on one team does not mean he would not have had success with another. So I call bullshit on that angle. Cowher never put high value on the QB position. It is why we had who we did. and in the end he didn't even want Ben.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Ok now flip that Tomlin has consistently drafted in the 20s too and never had a pick as high as Cowher..what premium CBs OLBs etc was he supposed to get to fix the defense picking that low. If the argument is Cowher didnt pick low enough to get a Franchise QB why doesn't the same apply for Tomlin not picking low enough to pick the cream of the crop on defense?? Just asking a question

No worries and I realize Cowher is spelled as that. Auto correct seemed to think is was "Cowherd" and I didn't proof read.

Bill Cowher needed ONE piece of the puzzle where as Mike Tomlin needs many pieces of the puzzle. Best way to describe it.

As for me actually going back an analyzing for your question......... T'aint happening as time is to much a factor for me to do that much.



As soon as Cowher got his piece, BOOM Super Bowl WIN. It took 10 1st round picks to get a seemingly stought defense (if scheme was different and game planned it would be even better). How long will it take for this OFFENSE to be top notch again? An aging QB will definately elevate it but for how long.........1-2 years........? Can Ben Mask the OL / OC play calling / Head coach deficiencies? Time will tell.





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[SteelerSask2]

Over the years, I have read that Cowher never had a QB until Ben. Well, whose fault is that? I guess you could blame Donahoe, but reality is, Cowher it seems never really placed a premium on the position. Surely he could have found QB's better than O'Donnell, Tomczak, Maddox and Kordell.

Come on. That dog won't hunt.

Maybe go back and look at the overall drafting by Cowher and Donahoe/Colbert. Pretty good. Kordell Stewart was the albatross of the Cowher regime. The years when they actually had high draft picks and probably should have went QB, they were busy trying to get weapons for him like Burress. In the end I don't blame Tomlin for Artie Burns or Jarvis Jones. He may not have had anything to do with that and even said they should have went another direction. But the reality of Tomlin is:
Tomlin inherited a talented team coached by Cowher. He kept the best coach on the staff in Lebeau and he provided a fresh message to the team. They won a SB and lost another with that group. Since then he has failed to do much big with a very talented lineup and the FO pulling out most if not all the stops to help him.
The sky will not fall if Tomlin is gone. Its a job with about as much security as you can possibly imagine. They will be lined up 20 deep for this job. Its time for fresh eyes and an new message.

 

[Vader]

How soon people forget. The first 8 or 9 years of Cowher's tenure he lost huge FAs almost every single year. Just think of these names: Rod Woodson, Kevin Greene, Hardy Nickerson, Leon Searcy, Eric Greene, Chad Brown, Yancy Thigpen, Thomas Everette, O'Donnell, Donald Evans, and a bunch more. How do you think Tomlin would do having to rely on the draft while losing all that talent?

Even if Cowher gets a QB, even like O'Donnell, he won't stay because the Steelers can't afford to pay him. Tomlin has had a gravy train for his entire tenure. He's had almost no turnover unless he wanted the guy gone. He kept Cowher's players and staff together for years. Almost all of Noll's guys were gone after just a couple of seasons.

It's pathetic that Tomlin has done so little with so much. `

 

[Drink IRON City]

How soon people forget. The first 8 or 9 years of Cowher's tenure he lost huge FAs almost every single year. Just think of these names: Rod Woodson, Kevin Greene, Hardy Nickerson, Leon Searcy, Eric Greene, Chad Brown, Yancy Thigpen, Thomas Everette, O'Donnell, Donald Evans, and a bunch more. How do you think Tomlin would do having to rely on the draft while losing all that talent?

Even if Cowher gets a QB, even like O'Donnell, he won't stay because the Steelers can't afford to pay him. Tomlin has had a gravy train for his entire tenure. He's had almost no turnover unless he wanted the guy gone. He kept Cowher's players and staff together for years. Almost all of Noll's guys were gone after just a couple of seasons.

It's pathetic that Tomlin has done so little with so much. `

Excellent post and very true.




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[Coryea]

Yeah I get the whole take a look back angle, but who is to say a QB drafted by another team if we would have drafted them they wouldn't have had success. If Ben gets drafted by the Browns does he have the success he has had here? So many factors go into a player's career. While a player has failed on one team does not mean he would not have had success with another. So I call bullshit on that angle. Cowher never put high value on the QB position. It is why we had who we did. and in the end he didn't even want Ben.

Again look at the drafts, and find a QB drafted not long after we picked that we could've taken. Guys like Brady don't count because they weren't valued very highly to begin with.

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[Vader]

Again look at the drafts, and find a QB drafted not long after we picked that we could've taken. Guys like Brady don't count because they weren't valued very highly to begin with.

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The QB argument is a myth concocted by Tomlin lovers to make Cowher look like he couldn't find a QB or coach one. Cowher took O'Donnell to a SB and Kordell to an AFCC game. Kordell was here 8 years. 6 as the starting QB. The owner loved the guy. Does anyone realize that Cowher got a 46-29 record out of Kordell? A QB that had less than 57% passer rating and had more ints than passing TDs. Cowher took that to the AFCC game and won 2 playoff games with him. He lost to Elway and Brady. Almost the entire time having to plug in draft picks and backups every single year because the Steelers didn't have the money to afford their own players.

Cowher had O'Donnell for 4 years, Kordell for 6 years and Ben for 3 years. That's 13 years. He only coached 15 years. O'Donnell was a good QB that could have won a SB if the WR doesn't run the wrong route. Kordell was Rooney's favorite QB and there was no way Cowher could just give up on him after what Rooney had said.

 

[Punxsutawney]

How soon people forget. The first 8 or 9 years of Cowher's tenure he lost huge FAs almost every single year. Just think of these names: Rod Woodson, Kevin Greene, Hardy Nickerson, Leon Searcy, Eric Greene, Chad Brown, Yancy Thigpen, Thomas Everette, O'Donnell, Donald Evans, and a bunch more. How do you think Tomlin would do having to rely on the draft while losing all that talent?

Even if Cowher gets a QB, even like O'Donnell, he won't stay because the Steelers can't afford to pay him. Tomlin has had a gravy train for his entire tenure. He's had almost no turnover unless he wanted the guy gone. He kept Cowher's players and staff together for years. Almost all of Noll's guys were gone after just a couple of seasons.

It's pathetic that Tomlin has done so little with so much. `

And that gravy train has produced a grand total of three playoff wins over the past nine seasons.

During that time, the Steelers seriously contended for a Superbowl in only two seasons in 2016 and 2017 and we saw the epic bed ******** fashion in which they ended.

Coaches have been fired with no better or worse resumes than Tomlin has had over the past decade.

 

[stillwright]

The QB argument is a myth concocted by Tomlin lovers to make Cowher look like he couldn't find a QB or coach one. Cowher took O'Donnell to a SB and Kordell to an AFCC game. Kordell was here 8 years. 6 as the starting QB. The owner loved the guy. Does anyone realize that Cowher got a 46-29 record out of Kordell? A QB that had less than 57% passer rating and had more ints than passing TDs. Cowher took that to the AFCC game and won 2 playoff games with him. He lost to Elway and Brady. Almost the entire time having to plug in draft picks and backups every single year because the Steelers didn't have the money to afford their own players.

Cowher had O'Donnell for 4 years, Kordell for 6 years and Ben for 3 years. That's 13 years. He only coached 15 years. O'Donnell was a good QB that could have won a SB if the WR doesn't run the wrong route. Kordell was Rooney's favorite QB and there was no way Cowher could just give up on him after what Rooney had said.

Cowher built his teams around a strong running game and defense. He didn't hold the QB position that high. Nothing to do with anyone being a "Tomlin Lover" And that is how Cowher got a 46 - 29 record from Kordell.,,,,,,a strong running game and strong defense to answer your question.