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How about the QB's just suck? Can we just say that?

Lookit, Shades has only won three playoff games in nine years with a much better offense than we have this year.

On Sunday NFL Countdown, they were saying that since Dallas had only won three playoff games in the last decade, that wasn't good enough and Garrett should be fired. Next segment was about the Steelers, and how great of a coach Tomlin is. I guess winning three playoff game in nine years is ok. Ten years, apparently, is the threshold.
 
A. I want to stress that I don’t feel flip flopping qbs late in a season is ever a great idea, so you stick with Duck
B. I also think that Duck has future starter ability... he is at least two years away though... he needs to fully grow into his peak form to get the maximum out of his armstrength, and he needs to get way better at reading defensive pressure
C. Mason Rudolph is definitely still a prospect to take over eventually... people judge him way too harshly... he also needs a lot of work, but right now his arm is stronger, his release is faster, he reads pressure better, and he has better physical height. If his footwork got a bit better he would be the guy...

A lot of this is perception... guys like coach made a snap judgment about duck being better than mason early, and have ised confirmation bias ever since....
People bitched about his pocket presence, yet mason did face two of the top five sacking teams in the league, both higher on the list than the bills, and was sacked on only 5.3% of his pass plays... the league average is typically in the high sixes... hodges, who is more mobile, and whom has faced less pressure filled teams, has been sacked on 7.8

Both mason and hodges had their worse games when the oline gave up tons of pressure while the coaching staff tried to force more of a downfield game.... the middle of the field is going to be open for short quick stuff... we aren’t taking advantage...
 
If we don't even make the playoffs after this up and down season, that would make things ten times worse because we have no 1st round pick next year and our 2nd round pick won't be high enough to get anyone that will probably contribute in their 1st year. Early in the year, many on here, myself included, were thinking we'd have a top 10 pick in each round. Now, we're looking at the back half of the draft again. Not sure what Colbert can do with it but with no 1st or 3rd (unless we get a comp pick) round pick, our draft isn't going to do much to help the team this year or next. Then again, when does the CBA expire? There will probably be a strike for at least half, if not all, of the season. If Rudolph and/or Duck aren't the guy to replace Ben, we are looking at years before we get someone else.
 
Then again, when does the CBA expire? There will probably be a strike for at least half, if not all, of the season.

CBA expires after 2020 season.

If Rudolph and/or Duck aren't the guy to replace Ben, we are looking at years before we get someone else.

Yup. For those of us who lived the years between TB and BB, we have not looked forward to the day BB retires. Getting the next great is probably going to take years. I never expected MR to be the next great...next maybe, but not next great. Enjoy BB while he plays and then buckle up your chin strap and seat belts because the turbulence after is very likely going to be ugly.
 
If we don't even make the playoffs after this up and down season, that would make things ten times worse because we have no 1st round pick next year and our 2nd round pick won't be high enough to get anyone that will probably contribute in their 1st year. Early in the year, many on here, myself included, were thinking we'd have a top 10 pick in each round. Now, we're looking at the back half of the draft again. Not sure what Colbert can do with it but with no 1st or 3rd (unless we get a comp pick) round pick, our draft isn't going to do much to help the team this year or next. Then again, when does the CBA expire? There will probably be a strike for at least half, if not all, of the season. If Rudolph and/or Duck aren't the guy to replace Ben, we are looking at years before we get someone else.

The hope is Ben comes back healthy, basically Fitzpatrick is our 1st round pick and that works because we can't draft DB's. You get Ben back with this defense and you hope to make a run in 2020 and 2021, then worry about life after Ben after that. If Ben comes back and isn't healthy, well we're screwed unless there's a free agent QB that is better than Duck/Rudolph to put with this defense for a couple seasons.
 
I find it funny that when Rudolph was playing, the struggles were all on him. Now when Duck struggles, all of a sudden, the OL, the WRs, the playcalling etc. are all factors.

Let’s face it, with the QB situation, the steelers are on a dead end road. Maybe they make the playoffs, but they have no shot at the SB. With Ben at QB, he could lift up the struggling WRs, but Duck and Rudolph need help and these WRs are not yet ready for that.

Washington and Johnson are getting better and better. Mix in a healthy JuJu and maybe this offense does pick up some. Certainly for next year the prospects look bright, particularly if they can find a good second TE.

Duck is very limited physically. He just doesn’t have the arm. We saw that last night. I like Duck’s prospects to be a backup QB but not a long term starter.

Rudolph needs another shot. He should absolutely start vs the remaining games. He was doing better until Cleveland where the wheels fell off. That’s not all his fault though. He was playing without JuJu as is Duck, but Johnson and Washington had not stepped up much earlier in the season. Johnson is being ‘load balanced’ with playing time so he avoids the rookie wall. Washington was underwhelming until the last few weeks. They were still trying to force balls to Holton when MR was playing.

I want to see MR play with JuJu, Johnson, Washington and Conner to see what the can do. I know people have already made up their minds but they shouldn’t just yet. MR was in a real tough situation. And defense do figure guys out after a few weeks of film. Now there’s some film on Duck and Buffalo was all over him.

Despite all that, I blame Fichtner the most. I don’t want to hear it about how the QBs are missing reads. Of course they are. They are both inexperienced. That means Fichtner needs to take on some of the heavy lifting and give the QBs easier reads.

He can start by getting the damn play in there much quicker. How can a QB, even a veteran, make a pre-snap read when they are breaking the huddle under 10 seconds and racing to snap the ball?

Duck said Buffalo blitzed them more than expected. What film did Fichtner watch that he didn’t know Buffalo would send pressure? Every dam week, Fichtner’s original plan is dead wrong and the offense looks like **** until he adjusts.

Maybe they could have had some screen passes or quick slants or rollouts in the playbook if they didn’t waste time on getting Conner up to speed on the dam wildcat.

The fact that Fichtner can’t adjust plays to the limited strengths of his QBs is a red flag. Watch Duck’s college film and he ran a spread with tons off quick throws. Is there any of that when he’s in there? Rudolph’s college film has tons of beautiful downfield throws. how much of that did they do with Rudolph in there?

Look at what Buffalo did last night. They know that Allen is talented but still limited at this point. Do they have him throwing it 40 times? No, they run the ball, play defense and give him a bunch of easy read play actions with a few deep shots mixed in there.

every week, I can pick out what the opponent is trying to do on offense. Maybe it doesn’t work, but you can see that they are trying to establish the run, or trying to get matchups vs Barron, etc. Can you ever tell what the steelers are trying to do each week? Do the steelers even have any so called "bread and butter" plays? No. It’s like plays are called randomly.

This offense needs an identity. It needs a plan. It seems to have neither.

Buffalo ran overload blitzes and exploited our line. Keep in mind we played this game without our starting TE who could have stayed in to help pick up those edge blitzers. At the end of the day, Duck threw those 4 INTs. The last one he had Washington open in the opposite end zone corner and didn't see him in the middle of the field. The longer a play takes to develop the worse decision we see Duck and Rudolph making. What Duck did well before Sunday night was using his legs to not get killed and sometimes escaping to make a play. We aren't getting any mobility out of Rudolph. So do we go back to Rudolph with no mobility knowing teams can stack the box and force us to throw or do we try to retool our offensive game plan to work with what we have with Duck? Personally I think if we can score 20+ we are going to be in most games. We aren't finishing drives and we need to finish drives and score 7. This team is not far off but without that elite QB play you can see how hard it is on the offense. Anyone who hated on Ben prior to this season has to have that much more respect for his game now.
 
The hope is Ben comes back healthy, basically Fitzpatrick is our 1st round pick and that works because we can't draft DB's. You get Ben back with this defense and you hope to make a run in 2020 and 2021, then worry about life after Ben after that. If Ben comes back and isn't healthy, well we're screwed unless there's a free agent QB that is better than Duck/Rudolph to put with this defense for a couple seasons.

True but we have a ton of signings needed to keep the D in tact. If Bud leaves (and he probably will), we are left with Chicklets starting and Chicklets is NOT starter material. And, Hargrave could leave too. I would at least non-exclusive tag Bud so we can get something if someone else wants to give him a ton of money. Watt is the must signing on the D but that is next year. Watt and Bud have made a huge impact on D as well. As has Heyward, who will be pretty darn old after the CBA. Next year very well could be his last. We need a legit receiving TE on O and stop with the non-sense of needing 2 TE's in to just block. If we need 2 TE's to block, our O-line just isn't very good. After writing that, this coming year, with Ben, may be our last legit shot at winning it all for years to come. A lot of changes coming, especially if we lose the 2021 season to a strike.
 
True but we have a ton of signings needed to keep the D in tact. If Bud leaves (and he probably will), we are left with Chicklets starting and Chicklets is NOT starter material. And, Hargrave could leave too. I would at least non-exclusive tag Bud so we can get something if someone else wants to give him a ton of money. Watt is the must signing on the D but that is next year. Watt and Bud have made a huge impact on D as well. As has Heyward, who will be pretty darn old after the CBA. Next year very well could be his last. We need a legit receiving TE on O and stop with the non-sense of needing 2 TE's in to just block. If we need 2 TE's to block, our O-line just isn't very good. After writing that, this coming year, with Ben, may be our last legit shot at winning it all for years to come. A lot of changes coming, especially if we lose the 2021 season to a strike.

Cam is a free agent after next season, so they'll want to get something done this offseason to lower his cap hit next year. Dupree will get some sort of tag, he priced himself out of here on a long term deal I think. Watt will get a new deal after 2020, then Minkah after 2021. Hargrave and Hilton are the two that may not be back.
 
If you think the steelers have no shot to win in the playoffs, then you should absolutely want Rudolph playing again. He has to be filled with doubts now. You don’t want his season ending like this. You need to get him back in there to have some positives and this team is in better position now with Conner and JuJu back and Washington and Johnson playing much better.

Duck is a nice story but he just does not have the arm strength. Unless the steelers want to change offenses and go to something like the Texas Tech offense they are using in Arizona, then Duck is nothing but a backup guy.

They need to see what Rudolph has. And no, they most certainly have not seen enough to know that yet.
 
Anyone who thinks Rudolph should start now is crazy. He had is chances with a better supporting cast and failed. The browns exposed him.

Duck should start vs the Jets. If Tomlin goes back to Rudy and he fails it should cost him his job for missing the playoffs. Just 3 playoff wins in 10 years, an epic collapse in 2018 and Rudy blowing us out of the playoff seeding should do it. Then again the Rooney’s have not fired a head coach in 50 years.

Now for a real curve ball of an idea. What if Ben can’t come back or retired? Doesn’t that free up a lot of cap space? Yes

The Steelers could resign bud and probably bring in two near franchise ( 8-10 million a year players ) players in free agency and then sign an older veteran Qb for a few million who wants to win a super bowl until we find our next franchise Qb. Maybe Rivers, maybe Newton.



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Rivers arm is dead.
 
Anyone who thinks Rudolph should start now is crazy. He had is chances with a better supporting cast and failed. The browns exposed him.

Duck should start vs the Jets. If Tomlin goes back to Rudy and he fails it should cost him his job for missing the playoffs. Just 3 playoff wins in 10 years, an epic collapse in 2018 and Rudy blowing us out of the playoff seeding should do it. Then again the Rooney’s have not fired a head coach in 50 years.

Now for a real curve ball of an idea. What if Ben can’t come back or retired? Doesn’t that free up a lot of cap space? Yes

The Steelers could resign bud and probably bring in two near franchise ( 8-10 million a year players ) players in free agency and then sign an older veteran Qb for a few million who wants to win a super bowl until we find our next franchise Qb. Maybe Rivers, maybe Newton.



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Man you sure don’t let anything dissuade your agenda... you are too impatient with development projects... you aren’t getting a qb that doesn’t have perceived flaws outside of the top five or ten at worse... all the rest of the guys are going to take more than seven or eight games to learn qb play in the nfl...

Landry jones was more raw than either of these two, he took two years before the team even felt he could see the field... these guys were both rushed and honestly they aren’t blank slating it... so you build on what they have shown so far....
 
Landry Jones was pretty good in College, 16,000+yards and like 125 TD's or something. IMO, he and Rudolph are carbon copies of each other almost.
 
Anyone who thinks Rudolph should start now is crazy. He had is chances with a better supporting cast and failed. The browns exposed him.

Duck should start vs the Jets. If Tomlin goes back to Rudy and he fails it should cost him his job for missing the playoffs. Just 3 playoff wins in 10 years, an epic collapse in 2018 and Rudy blowing us out of the playoff seeding should do it. Then again the Rooney’s have not fired a head coach in 50 years.

Now for a real curve ball of an idea. What if Ben can’t come back or retired? Doesn’t that free up a lot of cap space? Yes

The Steelers could resign bud and probably bring in two near franchise ( 8-10 million a year players ) players in free agency and then sign an older veteran Qb for a few million who wants to win a super bowl until we find our next franchise Qb. Maybe Rivers, maybe Newton.



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rivers sucks

ducky is starting sunday
 
Anyone who thinks Rudolph should start now is crazy. He had is chances with a better supporting cast and failed. The browns exposed him.

Duck should start vs the Jets. If Tomlin goes back to Rudy and he fails it should cost him his job for missing the playoffs. Just 3 playoff wins in 10 years, an epic collapse in 2018 and Rudy blowing us out of the playoff seeding should do it. Then again the Rooney’s have not fired a head coach in 50 years.

Now for a real curve ball of an idea. What if Ben can’t come back or retired? Doesn’t that free up a lot of cap space? Yes

The Steelers could resign bud and probably bring in two near franchise ( 8-10 million a year players ) players in free agency and then sign an older veteran Qb for a few million who wants to win a super bowl until we find our next franchise Qb. Maybe Rivers, maybe Newton.



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This made me chuckle. First of all Rivers sucks. You could see him coming for a few million? I don’t think that arrogant *** gets out of bed for less than 15 million
 
Landry Jones was pretty good in College, 16,000+yards and like 125 TD's or something. IMO, he and Rudolph are carbon copies of each other almost.

I think Landry might honestly be better.. it's close.
 
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Duck, Rudolph, it doesn't matter. Neither one is going to win any games for you. Sure, Duck is better. It's like being declared king of the dipshits.

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I don't see an OC catering to the level of his QB's with a game plan that "Helps" them. RUN the ball.. Attack the outside.. Slants.. Draws... IDK.. but having duck throw 38 times tells me we lost.
 
I don't see an OC catering to the level of his QB's with a game plan that "Helps" them. RUN the ball.. Attack the outside.. Slants.. Draws... IDK.. but having duck throw 38 times tells me we lost.

Right the Bills were bringing huge pressure up the middle so why not some middle screens. Also the run game was hit and miss so its like it was a total failure. Definitely deserved way more chances.
 
The Bills game was a litmus test. Without the mistakes, we beat them.
So basically you are saying that Duck sucked and that's why they lost.

The fact is, Duck tends to thrown balls up for grabs. Previously, predominantly Washington was making spectacular plays on less than perfect balls. I admit, Duck threw 1 perfect pass last week to D.J. He hit him on a deep slant, in stride and D.J. made a great gain. But literally, that was the ONLY good pass all day from Hodges. Everything else was late, high, off, or worst of all, into a group of 2 or 3 defenders with a Steeler receiver trying desperately to knock the ball away.

It's not his fault. He's not an NFL caliber QB. He's a nice guy. I like him. I like his story, but he has hit his ceiling. And it's lower than the 6'8" defensive linemen.
 
If Tomlin goes back to Rudy and he fails it should cost him his job for missing the playoffs.

But apparently in some kind of crazy upside-down-logic universe if Tomlin sticks with Duck and HE fails, then somehow it's not Tomlin's fault and he shouldn't be fired?

Cause that last game Duck looked pretty freakin' awful. In fact in that game I do believe he looked as bad as Mason ever did. So uh...
 
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The fact is, Duck tends to thrown balls up for grabs. Previously, predominantly Washington was making spectacular plays on less than perfect balls. I admit, Duck threw 1 perfect pass last week to D.J. He hit him on a deep slant, in stride and D.J. made a great gain. But literally, that was the ONLY good pass all day from Hodges. Everything else was late, high, off, or worst of all, into a group of 2 or 3 defenders with a Steeler receiver trying desperately to knock the ball away.

It's not his fault. He's not an NFL caliber QB. He's a nice guy. I like him. I like his story, but he has hit his ceiling. And it's lower than the 6'8" defensive linemen.

Hodges had two other 30+ yards completions to Washington against the Bills.

Washington has made a ton of big plays since Hodges took over against the Bengals.

He must be the next Jerry Rice if Hodges sucks as much as you seem to think he does.
 
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Because we had MR we wasted time seeing if he was the next Franchise QB instead of immediately picking up Teddy Bridgewater...
 
I don't see an OC catering to the level of his QB's with a game plan that "Helps" them. RUN the ball.. Attack the outside.. Slants.. Draws... IDK.. but having duck throw 38 times tells me we lost.

They went ultraconservative with Mason and treated Duck like he was Ben Roethlisberger. I was stunned when they went five wide multiple times against the Bills.
 
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