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How about the QB's just suck? Can we just say that?

Ok, I think they are what they are,and like it or not we were stuck with them for the season. We were all hopeful,and even though they are rookies and could potentially get better,I think most of us can see that they are not long term starters. So. Let’s move forward. Enough of the why didn’t we have this D in Bens prime.....spent 50 first rounders onD ....all that ****. It’s been done. But like it or not we have to think of Ben’s replacement sooner rather than later.

By the way,did you like the Bill’s QB ? I was saying to my son he reminded me of Ben coming out....big strong kid,with a touch of mobility and a rocket arm. Little bit of a swagger too.

I agree, they are who we have, I'm just saying everyone is looking for someone to blame, maybe there is no one to blame, maybe these two guys just aren't starting material, that's what it looks like to me.

As for Allen, he's decent, he misses alot of easy throws, I think they mentioned that on the broadcast last night, he has all the physical tools though.
 
I would stick with Hodges and I had no problem with him replacing Mason. But I do find the gyrations of those who are Duck fans today. The OC (true), The Oline (true), the lack of weapons (true). But these were all true for Rudolph too.
 
Paxton Lynch :)

On the one hand, he has a rocket arm. On the other other hand, the rocket arm is guided my a cheap knockoff Russian guidance system from the Cold War era.

Seriously, he kid has a great arm but is not an NFL QB either because of the lack of effort or lack of aptitude - they look the same on the field.

EDIT: Oh yea, the QBs suck balls.
 
The Bills defense is elite and Duck had 0 time. He escaped a few sacks that Rudolph would have been sacked on. 2 of his INTs were desperation throws. The one that was returned pretty far was a poor throw against one of the best DBs in the game. He definitely did miss a few throws, but I still think he is better than Mason. He is more mobile, attempts to throw it downfield, and I think he has better ball placement overall. The playcalling certainly did not do him any favors. We should have used the Bills aggressiveness against them, but that would require real coaching.
 
They called the play that can burn the Bills defense once last night and Connor scored a TD. You roll your QB to either side of the field and hit a back or receiver short and take the YAC.
If you burn a team a few times with plays like that the rush gets hesitant.
 
Every defense knows Fichner is going to play "small ball " at first. They all cover it. They force fitchner to play with more downfield aggression. That is where we are.
 
A franchise HOF QB is gone, the feature WR (JJSS) is nowhere, the feature back plays sometimes and the Old O Line hasn’t done **** since Mike Munchak left! Who are the TE’s again? Rosie Nix? The Defense keeps the team in a game fer crissakes and yinz are bitchin about a 4th string undrafted QB and the drafted QB that still thinks he’s at Oklahoma State?
 
Hodges did not play well overall, but there were still some positives, as he had three completions of over 30+ yards against a defense that just not give many of those up.

I still think he has potential to develop into a #1 QB in a few years.

Honestly, when you ask an undrafted rookie QB to throw the ball around 40 times against a strong defense, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

Tomlin and Fichtner **** the bed. Plain and simple.

The wildcat bullshit alone killed two drives and how many 3rd and 10+ yard situations were there? That's all on the play calling and coaching.
 
We all know Mason and Hodges are great. It is up to our OC to create a game plan for them to have a chance to succeed. So far Fichtner has failed. And failed horribly.
 
Both QB's lack experience throw in the receiving crew has about the same playing time TE's that aren't very good and a line that has not played exceptionally well may end up 8-8
 
We all know Mason and Hodges are great. It is up to our OC to create a game plan for them to have a chance to succeed. So far Fichtner has failed. And failed horribly.
Case in point, LaMar Jackson last year. WTF did the Rats do? I think Fichner is trying to use the same playbook for Hodges and Rudolph that Ben operated?
 
Our QB's are young, very young and we have no QB coach to help them as most normal teams do. Fichtner does suck and is very inconsistent in his play calling. And, our O-line was 100% built around Ben and him throwing it 40+ times a game. The QB's are going to take time to come around. The O-line needs some new pieces to make it better. Even Pouncey seems to have forgotten how to snap the damn ball. Blaming just the QB's or one aspect of the O is ludicrous. It was the perfect storm this year and the team and the O have had to learn on the fly. ****, we just got rid of Jones and brought in another WR from off the street. JuJu is probably done for the year. The only QB that possibly could have made something happen this year would have been Ben. He is still a top 10 QB in this league, despite what many on here think and, if we're lucky, we can get to see him play out the remainder of his contract and then figure out who is going to succeed him.
 
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Hey, Bricks...
All I know is they were losing a lot with Ben
Not every QB has Ernie Adams whispering the defense and coverage into his ear. Even without that, Roethlisberger has put up about the best stats of any non-cheating QB in the league. Ever.
 
Did you forget about the 2 TD drops, and Moncrief running the wrong route that would've been another TD, if he catches it, along with the 8 other drops in that game?

While Ben was about a week away from season ending surgery? He wasn't sharp that game but he still had about 36 passes dropped, two of them in the endzone and then there was Mongrief making it his personal goal to be identified as the worst free-agent signing in the history of human.
So you're saying players on offense make mistakes that cost the team points?
 
Yeah, the defense giving up 5 4th quarter leads had alot to do with that and JuJu fumbling at NO, which knocked us out of the playoffs.

Yep, can't have a QB thread without the Ben bashers coming out in full force, Ben could've had the worse season of his career and it would have zero to do with Rudolph and Hodges being crap.

All I know improved defense and all, without 7 we’re not much of an offense. When is the last time a Steeler offense was ranked almost at the bottom?

We cannot win with Duck or Mason. Ben makes everyone on the offense better. You guys are getting a direct picture of what it’s going to look like around here when 7 is gone. Oh but we have the COTY.


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I find it funny that when Rudolph was playing, the struggles were all on him. Now when Duck struggles, all of a sudden, the OL, the WRs, the playcalling etc. are all factors.

Let’s face it, with the QB situation, the steelers are on a dead end road. Maybe they make the playoffs, but they have no shot at the SB. With Ben at QB, he could lift up the struggling WRs, but Duck and Rudolph need help and these WRs are not yet ready for that.

Washington and Johnson are getting better and better. Mix in a healthy JuJu and maybe this offense does pick up some. Certainly for next year the prospects look bright, particularly if they can find a good second TE.

Duck is very limited physically. He just doesn’t have the arm. We saw that last night. I like Duck’s prospects to be a backup QB but not a long term starter.

Rudolph needs another shot. He should absolutely start vs the remaining games. He was doing better until Cleveland where the wheels fell off. That’s not all his fault though. He was playing without JuJu as is Duck, but Johnson and Washington had not stepped up much earlier in the season. Johnson is being ‘load balanced’ with playing time so he avoids the rookie wall. Washington was underwhelming until the last few weeks. They were still trying to force balls to Holton when MR was playing.

I want to see MR play with JuJu, Johnson, Washington and Conner to see what the can do. I know people have already made up their minds but they shouldn’t just yet. MR was in a real tough situation. And defense do figure guys out after a few weeks of film. Now there’s some film on Duck and Buffalo was all over him.

Despite all that, I blame Fichtner the most. I don’t want to hear it about how the QBs are missing reads. Of course they are. They are both inexperienced. That means Fichtner needs to take on some of the heavy lifting and give the QBs easier reads.

He can start by getting the damn play in there much quicker. How can a QB, even a veteran, make a pre-snap read when they are breaking the huddle under 10 seconds and racing to snap the ball?

Duck said Buffalo blitzed them more than expected. What film did Fichtner watch that he didn’t know Buffalo would send pressure? Every dam week, Fichtner’s original plan is dead wrong and the offense looks like **** until he adjusts.

Maybe they could have had some screen passes or quick slants or rollouts in the playbook if they didn’t waste time on getting Conner up to speed on the dam wildcat.

The fact that Fichtner can’t adjust plays to the limited strengths of his QBs is a red flag. Watch Duck’s college film and he ran a spread with tons off quick throws. Is there any of that when he’s in there? Rudolph’s college film has tons of beautiful downfield throws. how much of that did they do with Rudolph in there?

Look at what Buffalo did last night. They know that Allen is talented but still limited at this point. Do they have him throwing it 40 times? No, they run the ball, play defense and give him a bunch of easy read play actions with a few deep shots mixed in there.

every week, I can pick out what the opponent is trying to do on offense. Maybe it doesn’t work, but you can see that they are trying to establish the run, or trying to get matchups vs Barron, etc. Can you ever tell what the steelers are trying to do each week? Do the steelers even have any so called "bread and butter" plays? No. It’s like plays are called randomly.

This offense needs an identity. It needs a plan. It seems to have neither.
 
I find it funny that when Rudolph was playing, the struggles were all on him. Now when Duck struggles, all of a sudden, the OL, the WRs, the playcalling etc. are all factors.

Let’s face it, with the QB situation, the steelers are on a dead end road. Maybe they make the playoffs, but they have no shot at the SB. With Ben at QB, he could lift up the struggling WRs, but Duck and Rudolph need help and these WRs are not yet ready for that.

Washington and Johnson are getting better and better. Mix in a healthy JuJu and maybe this offense does pick up some. Certainly for next year the prospects look bright, particularly if they can find a good second TE.

Duck is very limited physically. He just doesn’t have the arm. We saw that last night. I like Duck’s prospects to be a backup QB but not a long term starter.

Rudolph needs another shot. He should absolutely start vs the remaining games. He was doing better until Cleveland where the wheels fell off. That’s not all his fault though. He was playing without JuJu as is Duck, but Johnson and Washington had not stepped up much earlier in the season. Johnson is being ‘load balanced’ with playing time so he avoids the rookie wall. Washington was underwhelming until the last few weeks. They were still trying to force balls to Holton when MR was playing.

I want to see MR play with JuJu, Johnson, Washington and Conner to see what the can do. I know people have already made up their minds but they shouldn’t just yet. MR was in a real tough situation. And defense do figure guys out after a few weeks of film. Now there’s some film on Duck and Buffalo was all over him.

Despite all that, I blame Fichtner the most. I don’t want to hear it about how the QBs are missing reads. Of course they are. They are both inexperienced. That means Fichtner needs to take on some of the heavy lifting and give the QBs easier reads.

He can start by getting the damn play in there much quicker. How can a QB, even a veteran, make a pre-snap read when they are breaking the huddle under 10 seconds and racing to snap the ball?

Duck said Buffalo blitzed them more than expected. What film did Fichtner watch that he didn’t know Buffalo would send pressure? Every dam week, Fichtner’s original plan is dead wrong and the offense looks like **** until he adjusts.

Maybe they could have had some screen passes or quick slants or rollouts in the playbook if they didn’t waste time on getting Conner up to speed on the dam wildcat.

The fact that Fichtner can’t adjust plays to the limited strengths of his QBs is a red flag. Watch Duck’s college film and he ran a spread with tons off quick throws. Is there any of that when he’s in there? Rudolph’s college film has tons of beautiful downfield throws. how much of that did they do with Rudolph in there?

Look at what Buffalo did last night. They know that Allen is talented but still limited at this point. Do they have him throwing it 40 times? No, they run the ball, play defense and give him a bunch of easy read play actions with a few deep shots mixed in there.

every week, I can pick out what the opponent is trying to do on offense. Maybe it doesn’t work, but you can see that they are trying to establish the run, or trying to get matchups vs Barron, etc. Can you ever tell what the steelers are trying to do each week? Do the steelers even have any so called "bread and butter" plays? No. It’s like plays are called randomly.

This offense needs an identity. It needs a plan. It seems to have neither.

Rudolph would have been sacked probably 8 times last night.
He has atrocious pocket presence and is cement footed in the pocket, you have to have at least a little mobility to play QB.
I'd like to see Juju play with Duck at QB, Mason has had him for almost every game he's played in. Juju is responsible for most of Mason's big passing plays with YAC.
Duck also just faced a 10x better defense than anyone Mason played.

Neither of them are future starting QBs but Duck is better, he atleast can extend a play and makes reads a lot faster. Just my opinion.
 
So far I've read/heard, Fichtner sucks, the WR's suck, the Oline sucked, the defense didn't play good enough, it's because a ******* song, Renegade, we lost???

How about we just say what the real issue is, Rudolph and Hodges suck, they have weak arms, can't put the ball tight spaces, and can't read a defense.



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No, we can no say they suck. On Saturday most here felt Duck was doing a good job, 1 game = knee jerk reaction. . Duck is 3-1 vs. a starter, and played well in relief in the games he did not start. He's also down his best Wide Receiver and Tight End, and playing behind an Offensive line that is underachieving. And regardless of what Tomlin says to the media, Conner was underused for a reason...we need him healthy for the playoffs.


Duck is without a Pro Bowl Back, a Pro Bowl WR, and a good TE. Because Ju-Ju, Conner and McDonald are OUT, other rookies play in their spots. Might this adversely affect Duck's Play? How much better might he look had these players been healthy for his starts. That's a very fair quesiton? Defenses no can double anyone they chose, and don't respect our run.


Is one bad game vs. perhaps the best defense we've played = he sucks? Nope. He's a rookie. The coaches can talk to him via the helmet. Duck should have spiked the ball late int he game to preserve the clock. He didn't. Where were Mikey and Randy? Could they just tell him what to do? Our coaching SUCKS.


I think Duck knows he didn't play well. I do not think it will bother him. He just has to learn where not to throw it under what conditions, and which NFL players he needs to avoid.


The Bills game was a litmus test. Without the mistakes, we beat them.
 
This season is over if Rudolph takes back over at QB.
 
I say it again and again, our offense is capable of scoring any given week. It takes a collective effort for that type of incompetence.
 
We all know Mason and Hodges are great. It is up to our OC to create a game plan for them to have a chance to succeed. So far Fichtner has failed. And failed horribly.

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Duck, Rudolph, it doesn't matter. Neither one is going to win any games for you. Sure, Duck is better. It's like being declared king of the dipshits.
 
The season was over at halftime of Week 2.

Well considering we can't power run constantly and our FB has been broken all damn year. I think our OL is a little long in the tooth as well. They certainly are not blowing guys off the ball. I know some of it is because opposing teams have their entire defense stacked up on the line. Unfortunately quick slants are no longer in the playbook. The so called wildcat looks like a wild clusterfuck from hell.

They have 2 games left to catch lightning in a bottle...i just don't see it happening in the postseason even if they trip over themselves offensively and fall in. The Steelers would have to channel the 76 defense to win out all the way.
 
Well considering we can't power run constantly and our FB has been broken all damn year. I think our OL is a little long in the tooth as well. They certainly are not blowing guys off the ball. I know some of it is because opposing teams have their entire defense stacked up on the line. Unfortunately quick slants are no longer in the playbook. The so called wildcat looks like a wild clusterfuck from hell.

They have 2 games left to catch lightning in a bottle...i just don't see it happening in the postseason even if they trip over themselves offensively and fall in. The Steelers would have to channel the 76 defense to win out all the way.
Lookit, Shades has only won three playoff games in nine years with a much better offense than we have this year. Granted the defense is better this year but most of the time when Shades make the playoffs, if he makes the playoffs, he's one-and-done with better teams than this. Never a losing record though.
 
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