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Allen? Dangerfield? Somebody else? Analyzing the Steelers' backup safety battle

Eric Berry Edmunds and Davis can learn a lot from him especially Edmunds he can make that leap to a pro bowler under his guidance.
 
SteelerSask said:
Here are my expectations of draft picks.
2nd round- low end bust or backup. High end important starter or star. Mid ground functional starter. Davis is a functional starter.
1st round- low end backup/ bust, High end star player. Mid ground important starter. Jury is out on Edmunds, but he started in his first season so I see him likely as a functional starter to important starter. The Steelers don't usually draft in the top ten of rounds remember.Sean Davis was the 58th pick. That is a glorified 3rd rounder. Edmunds was 28th and had 2nd-3rd round grades by a lot of sources. The Steelers liked some of his traits. I really don't feel like they are getting eaten up on the deep post/ seem pass like they did when it was Mitchell and Davis. I'm not that concerned about safety.
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Not disagreeing with your assessment but I hate the "late 2nd round is really a 3rd rounder" line. So is a late 1st rounder really a 2nd or is an early 2nd really a 1st? And how close to another round does a player need to be to be considered in that round? Is the 25th pick almost a 2nd rounder? 26th?

I just like to stick to the actual rounds.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
So, why has SD played 3 different positions in 3 years? And did the same thing in MD. Sounds like a guy who never seems to play well in his positions so they have to move him around in order
to try to find a spot he is good at. I never liked the Burns or Davis picks....now I like them even less.
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Bobby Bufford said:
So, why has SD played 3 different positions in 3 years? And did the same thing in MD.
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Davis played CB as a Senior at Maryland due to injuries. He played Safety for the three years prior.

After being drafted, he was slotted for SS. However was then moved to nickel back due to Golson’s injury. He then had to replace Burns who also got injured and ended up starting at CB.

Do you even know the players you talk about negatively or just read Coach’s diatribes?


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Bobby Bufford said:
Troy played all over, as they try to do with Davis. Yes, they very much should be compared.
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Nope....Troy was a SS, who was given free reign to freelance his responsibilities by Coach LeBeau. This was achieved because of the superb symbiosis with Ryan Clark who covered for Troy’s freelancing. Troy was the playmaker of the D as Shazier was when he played.

In no way was Davis viewed as a Troy type player. He was initially viewed as a big hitting SS, but has shown aptitude to handle all the DB roles. He now feels FS is his strongest position may well could be another Ryan Clark if he is resigned. So he wouldn’t be compared to Troy.


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Hunter Homistek said:
Hey, everyone, first off, I wanted to introduce myself. I'm Hunter Homistek, and I work for DKPittsburghSports.com, where I handle social media and marketing but also report on the Steelers and Pirates. I kinda do a little bit of everything over there.

I've been fortunate to spend time at Steelers OTAs and minicamp, and I wanted to share my most recent piece, where I talked with four of the primary competitors for the backup safety position: Marcus Allen, Jordan Dangerfield, Kameron Kelly, and Dravon Askew-Henry. I wanted to know how they felt about the competition, what they think sets them apart, etc. For me, this is an interesting battle because of the importance of it first but also because it really feels like a tight cluster after Terrell Edmunds and Sean Davis.

Here's a link to read it — no subscription required.

I look forward to hearing your feedback and discussing this — or anything else! — further. Excited to join these forums and talk with you all throughout training camp and the season.
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Welcome to the board & thanks for the link.


My $.02


Allen is too slow to deploy in coverage and never showed balls skills in college. I hope he can do well on special teams.


Dangerfield at this point in his career is what he is. He can hit but isn't very good in coverage. But he is somewhat of a proven commodity; the other guys are not. Best guess he's our #3 safety


Kelly is too slow. 4.66 = you cannot be counted on to cover at safety in the NFL


Askew-Henry - is too small, and according to reports not fast or very good in coverage, but he can hit.


Essentially the Steelers have 4 of the same guys for back up safety. The depth here is very thin. There were a few upside safties the Steelers could have drafted in round 6, but they pass on them. This didn't make sense. I don't know which 4 or 5 players the Steelers will keep at safety, but one of
 
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Ike Kelly said:
Davis played CB as a Senior at Maryland due to injuries. He played Safety for the three years prior.

After being drafted, he was slotted for SS. However was then moved to nickel back due to Golson’s injury. He then had to replace Burns who also got injured and ended up starting at CB.

Do you even know the players you talk about negatively or just read Coach’s diatribes?

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Davis was terrible at corner in college and the Steelers foolishly tried to play him as the slot guy. A dumb move I called out on the spot and was proven correct later.


It doesn't matter where Davis plays, he misses way too many tackles ( leads the team ) and makes very few plays on the ball. His angle in pursuit is rather poor. But hey why let facts get in the way here! Press on.
 
Coach said:
Davis was terrible at corner in college and the Steelers foolishly tried to play him as the slot guy. A dumb move I called out on the spot and was proven correct later.


It doesn't matter where Davis plays, he misses way too many tackles ( leads the team ) and makes very few plays on the ball. His angle in pursuit is rather poor. But hey why let facts get in the way here! Press on.
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Davis was not bad last year but you press on with your hate agenda for the man. Your facts are not facts but a ****** evaluated stance, that you diarrhea on a weekly basis.

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It's all about the agenda. Maybe they can bring in Ed Reed to "mentor" Davis. Such a great idea, it works for everything even head coaches. Maybe they can call donahoe and have him come in and " mentor" Colbert, since you hate that pick so much. Another great idea.
 
I see this "D" with young players whom have gotten another year under their belt and ABLE to make the step up. I'd venture to say they are a top ten "D" and that's a step in the right direction as last year I think they ended at 18th. Want TC to get started to start hearing / seeing how this all plays out. We as fans don't get to see the everyday interaction of the players so I'm sure there are some very vast differences / likenesses as stated here.





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Coach said:
Davis was terrible at corner in college and the Steelers foolishly tried to play him as the slot guy. A dumb move I called out on the spot and was proven correct later.


It doesn't matter where Davis plays, he misses way too many tackles ( leads the team ) and makes very few plays on the ball. His angle in pursuit is rather poor. But hey why let facts get in the way here! Press on.
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More BS for the crops. As explained, Davis was asked to play CB his Sr year due to injuries on the squad. An unselfish move on his part for the team. He was drafted as a Safety but was also lauded by the Steeler scouts for his position flex capability. Davis was asked to play nickel corner and then boundary corner due to injuries to both starting slot and corner positions.

He also led in team tackles so what’s the ratio between Tkl/MT genius? You won’t answer that because it doesn’t fit your MO. As discussed endlessly on this board and in dozens of articles including Hunters’s site, Davis was tasked to reduce the long plays in the secondary. A stat that shows was cut in HALF in 2018 from 2017. There is the facts getting in the way of your agenda. But do press on. You are returning to your usual narcissistic self.


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Ike Kelly said:
More BS for the crops. As explained, Davis was asked to play CB his Sr year due to injuries on the squad. An unselfish move on his part for the team. He was drafted as a Safety but was also lauded by the Steeler scouts for his position flex capability. Davis was asked to play nickel corner and then boundary corner due to injuries to both starting slot and corner positions.

He also led in team tackles so what’s the ratio between Tkl/MT genius? You won’t answer that because it doesn’t fit your MO. As discussed endlessly on this board and in dozens of articles including Hunters’s site, Davis was tasked to reduce the long plays in the secondary. A stat that shows was cut in HALF in 2018 from 2017. There is the facts getting in the way of your agenda. But do press on. You are returning to your usual narcissistic self.


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What gets me about coach is inability to soak in information and adjust an opinion based upon it. It is ok to be wrong, it is ok for an opinion to change. But coach refuses to be educated. I can't remember a time his opinion has changed. Coach I give you props for not starting ten thousand spastic threads lately, this is your next step in development. Adjusting when need be.

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slashsteel said:
What gets me about coach is inability to soak in information and adjust an opinion based upon it. It is ok to be wrong, it is ok for an opinion to change. But coach refuses to be educated. I can't remember a time his opinion has changed. Coach I give you props for not starting ten thousand spastic threads lately, this is your next step in development. Adjusting when need be.

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And what gets me is how some here defend mediocrity. I can show you several 3rd party at rating systems that show Davis isn’t a good player, quite the opposite and people act as if it doesn’t matter! Can you Davis ditto heads show me the reverse? NO. So who’s correct? And who refuses to be educated?
 
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Ike Kelly said:
More BS for the crops. As explained, Davis was asked to play CB his Sr year due to injuries on the squad. An unselfish move on his part for the team. He was drafted as a Safety but was also lauded by the Steeler scouts for his position flex capability. Davis was asked to play nickel corner and then boundary corner due to injuries to both starting slot and corner positions.

He also led in team tackles so what’s the ratio between Tkl/MT genius? You won’t answer that because it doesn’t fit your MO. As discussed endlessly on this board and in dozens of articles including Hunters’s site, Davis was tasked to reduce the long plays in the secondary. A stat that shows was cut in HALF in 2018 from 2017. There is the facts getting in the way of your agenda. But do press on. You are returning to your usual narcissistic self.


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A joke. Okay let’s use 3rd party ranking systems Ike. Want tally them up and see where David rates? Calling you out.

Of course you don’t! They are with me and you know it. Try letting that sink in. Key word is try, you can’t and won’t.

Also you might get a clue that picked on DB’s sort of get extra tackles because their man often is open. DUH


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Dont quote me but didnt Davis play more plays than anyone else on defense last year? Clearly the coaches think he is more than adequate
 
Coach said:
And what gets me is how some here defend mediocrity. I can show you several 3rd party at rating systems that show Davis isn’t a good player, quite the opposite and people act as if it doesn’t matter! Can you Davis ditto heads show me the reverse? NO. So who’s correct? And who refuses to be educated?
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You have already been shown the reverse. Ike did a solid job in showing you. So that would be you who is incorrect and you who refuses to be educated.
 
Coach said:
A joke. Okay let’s use 3rd party ranking systems Ike. Want tally them up and see where David rates? Calling you out.

Of course you don’t! They are with me and you know it. Try letting that sink in. Key word is try, you can’t and won’t.

Also you might get a clue that picked on DB’s sort of get extra tackles because their man often is open. DUH


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Davis isn't in man coverage, which is what your sentence applies to. He isn't a corner. He is a FS, whose job is to shorten the field by keep the long positive plays to a minimum.

DUH
 
BLITZ said:
Dont quote me but didnt Davis play more plays than anyone else on defense last year? Clearly the coaches think he is more than adequate
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I think Edmunds played more actual snaps. Davis missed a game so I'm pretty sure Edmunds had more total snaps.
 
Coach said:
A joke. Okay let’s use 3rd party ranking systems Ike. Want tally them up and see where David rates? Calling you out.

Of course you don’t! They are with me and you know it. Try letting that sink in. Key word is try, you can’t and won’t.

Also you might get a clue that picked on DB’s sort of get extra tackles because their man often is open. DUH

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For once I agree with you, you are a joke.

Why do you keep stating “3rd party ranking systems”? Say what it is, Pro Football Focus. PFF is a joke as well and is panned pretty much by most all writers and professional evaluators because it states their statistical analysis is proprietary. Ludicrous.

I have already provided you on numerous occasions all the evidence that shows your musings don’t hold water. Key word is Dumb ***.

“DBs get extra tackles because their man is open?” Hahahahahaha, no further comments from me is necessary. You proved yourself you are a joke.

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Bottom line is Davis was trusted by the coaching staff to play more snaps than almost anyone else on the team. I think they have a better idea of talent than coach. or any of us for that matter.
 
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